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[Whatever42]

Some guys do like to be chased. They aren't always nerds, though. My brother is a good looking hockey player jock who dated models, who he did have to chase down but didn't really like it much. He hated high maintance girls. He eventually married a pretty girl who pretty much worshipped him, not too unlike Tali. Its not that he's a jerk who wants to order her around or anything - he dotes on her like nothing I've ever seen. But whatever his pyschology there, he sure the heck isn't a nerd.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 01 septembre 2010 - 05:48 .

[Siansonea]

I think character's visual design plays a HUGE role in their appeal, especially among the female LIs.

With Liara, her very feminine face is probably her chief physical attribute. If she looked like Nyxeris, I'm sure her fanbase would be a LOT smaller.

Kaidan was designed to be attractive, without being over-the-top about it. He's the cute guy next door. I'm not crazy about his hair, but they did a great job on his face.

Ashley is actually quite attractive from a lot of angles, but her lips are so pale that she looks like her lips are chapped. If her lips were just a shade darker, I think she would be considered prettier than she currently is.

With Miranda, it's the T&A, as well as one of the best face designs in the game.

I think Jacob would be a lot more popular if they had tweaked a couple of things about him. His mouth animations invariably look weird, as if his lips are paralyzed or something, and don't get me started on those Chiclet teeth and the cross-eyed look he often gets. Jacob's best when he's not talking and not looking at Shepard.

Tali's lack of a defined face and her legendary hips-to-waist ratio are doubtless a significant factor in her widespread appeal. Many Tali fans try to downplay this, but I've seen enough fantasizing about her face and 'dat ass' comments to support my theory.

With Jack, it's the more slender/small proportion and THE best face design in the game, as well as her goth/punk/alternative theme.

With Thane and Garrus, it's a little harder to define, since they don't really conform to conventional standards of male attractiveness, they are much more alien in appearance than quarians or asari. Thane does have large, dark eyes, and a sleek but masculine body shape, but Garrus is completely opposite of what most people would think of as attractive. I'm inclined to think Garrus' LI appeal has the least to do with his visual design, and more to do with his voice acting and writing.

With Samara, it's her legendary cleavage, offset by her regal posture and poise. In spite of her outfit, indeed in many ways because of it, she comes across as stoic and very striking. She inspires more awe than outright lust, double-Ds notwithstanding.

For Morinth, it's all Natalie Cigliutti's voice and her femme fatale schtick, since otherwise she is identical to Samara.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 01 septembre 2010 - 05:52 .

[Kandid001]

I usually prefer human LI's, but choosing Tali or Liara as your LI doesn't necessarily make you a desperate virgin with a weight problem who lives in Mom's basement. This is a sci-fi RPG which takes place in alien invested space!

[casedawgz]

This isn't even really related, but this whole discussion reminds me of the Ken/Ryu Theorem. Ken and Ryu are essentially the same character gameplay-wise, so why is Ryu so much more popular. Because Ryu is a stoic loner who shies away from human interaction in an ever continuing quest to become stronger. And Ken gets laid. The average player in the target demographic is just jealous of Ken.

[xlavaina]

Siansonea II wrote...

I think character's visual design plays a HUGE role in their appeal, especially among the female LIs.

With Liara, her very feminine face is probably her chief physical attribute. If she looked like Nyxeris, I'm sure her fanbase would be a LOT smaller.

Kaidan was designed to be attractive, without being over-the-top about it. He's the cute guy next door. I'm not crazy about his hair, but they did a great job on his face.

Ashley is actually quite attractive from a lot of angles, but her lips are so pale that she looks like her lips are chapped. If her lips were just a shade darker, I think she would be considered prettier than she currently is.

With Miranda, it's the T&A, as well as one of the best face designs in the game.

I think Jacob would be a lot more popular if they had tweaked a couple of things about him. His mouth animations invariably look weird, as if his lips are paralyzed or something, and don't get me started on those Chiclet teeth and the cross-eyed look he often gets. Jacob's best when he's not talking and not looking at Shepard.

Tali's lack of a defined face and her legendary hips-to-waist ratio are doubtless a significant factor in her widespread appeal. Many Tali fans try to downplay this, but I've seen enough fantasizing about her face and 'dat ass' comments to support my theory.

With Jack, it's the more slender/small proportion and THE best face design in the game, as well as her goth/punk/alternative theme.

With Thane and Garrus, it's a little harder to define, since they don't really conform to conventional standards of male attractiveness, they are much more alien in appearance than quarians or asari. Thane does have large, dark eyes, and a sleek but masculine body shape, but Garrus is completely opposite of what most people would think of as attractive. I'm inclined to think Garrus' LI appeal has the least to do with his visual design, and more to do with his voice acting and writing.

With Samara, it's her legendary cleavage, offset by her regal posture and poise. In spite of her outfit, indeed in many ways because of it, she comes across as stoic and very striking. She inspires more awe than outright lust, double-Ds notwithstanding.

For Morinth, it's all Natalie Cigliutti's voice and her femme fatale schtick, since otherwise she is identical to Samara.

I agree with everything here, but I disagree a little on one point. Tali's appeal definitely lies in her "legendary hips to waist ratio" for a lot of people, but honestly, I liked her a lot in ME1 when her design wasn't nearly as aesthetically pleasing. It was her personality I liked for her "little sister" type attitude.

Not criticizing you in any way as you hit every point right on the money, but there are a few of us Tali fans who actually liked her for her personality in ME1. 

[Unit-Alpha]

I went with Liara in ME and Miranda in ME2. I just liked their characters the most for the respective games.



No, I'm not nerdy or socially inept. At all.

[Siansonea]

xlavaina wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think character's visual design plays a HUGE role in their appeal, especially among the female LIs.

With Liara, her very feminine face is probably her chief physical attribute. If she looked like Nyxeris, I'm sure her fanbase would be a LOT smaller.

Kaidan was designed to be attractive, without being over-the-top about it. He's the cute guy next door. I'm not crazy about his hair, but they did a great job on his face.

Ashley is actually quite attractive from a lot of angles, but her lips are so pale that she looks like her lips are chapped. If her lips were just a shade darker, I think she would be considered prettier than she currently is.

With Miranda, it's the T&A, as well as one of the best face designs in the game.

I think Jacob would be a lot more popular if they had tweaked a couple of things about him. His mouth animations invariably look weird, as if his lips are paralyzed or something, and don't get me started on those Chiclet teeth and the cross-eyed look he often gets. Jacob's best when he's not talking and not looking at Shepard.

Tali's lack of a defined face and her legendary hips-to-waist ratio are doubtless a significant factor in her widespread appeal. Many Tali fans try to downplay this, but I've seen enough fantasizing about her face and 'dat ass' comments to support my theory.

With Jack, it's the more slender/small proportion and THE best face design in the game, as well as her goth/punk/alternative theme.

With Thane and Garrus, it's a little harder to define, since they don't really conform to conventional standards of male attractiveness, they are much more alien in appearance than quarians or asari. Thane does have large, dark eyes, and a sleek but masculine body shape, but Garrus is completely opposite of what most people would think of as attractive. I'm inclined to think Garrus' LI appeal has the least to do with his visual design, and more to do with his voice acting and writing.

With Samara, it's her legendary cleavage, offset by her regal posture and poise. In spite of her outfit, indeed in many ways because of it, she comes across as stoic and very striking. She inspires more awe than outright lust, double-Ds notwithstanding.

For Morinth, it's all Natalie Cigliutti's voice and her femme fatale schtick, since otherwise she is identical to Samara.

I agree with everything here, but I disagree a little on one point. Tali's appeal definitely lies in her "legendary hips to waist ratio" for a lot of people, but honestly, I liked her a lot in ME1 when her design wasn't nearly as aesthetically pleasing. It was her personality I liked for her "little sister" type attitude.

Not criticizing you in any way as you hit every point right on the money, but there are a few of us Tali fans who actually liked her for her personality in ME1. 

Fair enough. I would never say that visual design was the ONLY thing that would draw people to certain characters. I know that even though Kaidan was attractive, if his personality was douchey or brutish, he'd be toast as far as I'm concerned. A compelling character has both a good visual design and a good characterization. One just has to look at Garrus to see how important characterization is, since on its own I doubt his visual design could have caused the character to be as popular as he is.

[piemanz]

Meh, i just like blue chicks....

Modifié par piemanz, 01 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
(Admit it, you can hear her talking to her girlfriends in an excited, hushed voice, "And then he came and saved me from Fists Thugs, and while we were on this big adventure he stopped to get me this Geth trinket!  I hope he comes to talk to me in th engine room again! /swoon")

Are you saying it would be bad to be talked about like that?

[Eldareus]

Before I met Samara I was like all gunho with the Tali romance options in ME2, It's her amazing hips that drew my attention initially that and she has a cute quirky personality. But upon meeting Samara and discvovering her personality and exploring her life story I really wanted to romance her instead.



In ME1 it was Liara. I would have remained faithful to Liara but her cold shoulder treatment forced me to find love elsewhere. I do have a playthrough were I remained true to Liara. Curious to see if the new DLC allows us to pick up the romance with her again.

[tonnactus]

Nightwriter wrote...

Right. Remind me not to tell you any facts about my past, ever.

See, it's because of people like this that BioWare gave us a character like Jacob whose depths are totally closed off to us.

O dear.I talk about "alphamales". And i only want to add that just because people have a diffecult past and problems,that
didnt make them more dept then people who didnt have such problems.

Modifié par tonnactus, 01 septembre 2010 - 07:42 .

[xlavaina]

Eldareus wrote...

Before I met Samara I was like all gunho with the Tali romance options in ME2, It's her amazing hips that drew my attention initially that and she has a cute quirky personality. But upon meeting Samara and discvovering her personality and exploring her life story I really wanted to romance her instead.

In ME1 it was Liara. I would have remained faithful to Liara but her cold shoulder treatment forced me to find love elsewhere. I do have a playthrough were I remained true to Liara. Curious to see if the new DLC allows us to pick up the romance with her again.

haha I cant wait for the "cheater" confrontation in ME3. 

Liara: You chose Samara over me?!?
Shep: Yup. 
Liara:  wtf shes so old!!!

[tonnactus]

Upsettingshorts wrote...


(Admit it, you can hear her talking to her girlfriends in an excited, hushed voice, "And then he came and saved me from Fists Thugs,

What tali said when she met shepardt:"Thank you,i can watch for myself. But i appreciate help"
So i dont think so.

[J. Finley]

Well, I think of it this way.

I was most attracted to Ashley in the first game, with her being the only human female crew member in the crew.

She completely lost my trust in the second game due to the scene on Horizon, and it hit me that the only person that stuck with me this whole time was Tali, even with her deep hatred for Cerberus. Hell yeah I'm going with Tali.

My LI appeals to me not only for their physical appearance, but for what actually goes on in the game.

[MajesticJazz]

Silverite wrote...

I agree with OP. Well, at least all my male friends who are total geeks/nerds do prefer Tali and Liara.
They are more submissive than Ashley/Jack/Miranda/Samara and they are completely unexperienced in love and sex affairs - what's not to like for any socially awkward teen?

This is exactly what I'm talking about!

For a guy who has a hard time with the ladies and is very sexually inexperienced, socially awkward, soft spoken, and niave women like Tali/Liara would appeal to such guys. Not saying a socially adept/sexually experienced guy wouldn't dig Liara or Tali, I'm just saying that it is something about those characters that draws in a large amount of love from geek and nerdy guys who have a hard time getting laid. In real life, it is the personality of Liara/Tali that would find these men interesting, not Miranda, Jack, and Ashley.

[MajesticJazz]

Wishpig wrote...

Your looking into this way to much.

Liara and Tali are the most popular for two reasons.

1. They were in the first game. A long bioware tradition is, in the sequel, the community gets pissed when inevitably a new cast of NPC's replace the old. Hell it's not just a bioware tradition, movies, TV, games, the original cast tends to be the most beloved, new characters always have to overcome a huge hurdle to get accepted.

2. Ashley was pretty damn ugly and was also a ****. Her face just looked WRONG. It wasn't attractive, it wasn't natural looking, it was like a face out of Eldar Scrolls Oblivion. And she was a good person, but also very closed minded, raciest, and just tough to get along with as opposed to Tali and Liara who were nice people.


Bamn done.

#1

I understand that they were in the first game, but this goes beyond who was int he first game vs who was in the second because even before ME2, Liara/Tali recieved a lot of love whereas Ashley was just that "underground favorite".


#2

Again, the idea that Ashley is tough to get along with is enough right there to scare of any guy who normally has bad luck with women. And the idea that Tali/Liara are "nice people".....again.....is very appealing to those guys who would normally have women treat them everything BUT nice. I'm not a player nor am I socially awkward, but I totally dig women with some spark and edge to them. I like women that I have to work for vs women who just are.....openly nice. Women like Ashley to me represents the forward thinking women who "don't need a man" and could do on their own. I like women like Ashley who plays the "tough catch" role at times.

But thats just me.

[smecky-kitteh]

Both of them have great voices.

[MajesticJazz]

smecky-kitteh wrote...

Both of them have great voices.

Speaking of that. Both Liara and Tali have "youthful" or "childish" type voices where the other 3 female LIs all sound like women.

[Redcoat]

Explaining the appeal of a certain character is difficult. Traits that one finds endearing will be grating to another. For instance, while playing Twilight Princess I spent the entirety of the game wanting to bash Midna's head in with a shovel, yet she is one of the most popular Zelda characters there is, so obviously she has something that appeals to a great many people.

As for Tali/Liara, I suppose it's a matter not so much of what traits they have, so much as the ones they lack. Let it be known that I hate the helpless "damsel in distress" character, but if there's one thing I hate even more, it's the ovecompensation for that sort of character: the abrasive, arrogant, Lara Croft-ish, in-your-face "tough girl" that is pervasive in games these days. Jack, Miranda, and Ashley all have shades of this characterisation, which immediately turns me off. Tali and Liara, on the other hand, are strong individuals, but at the same are more demure and down-to-earth. They don't act like they have something to prove.

Modifié par Redcoat, 01 septembre 2010 - 10:52 .

[curly haired boy]

i don't really get the 'submissive' label that tali gets



back when i played ME1 for the first time, i had a chance to consider the females on my squad. i didn't know at the time that only 2 were romanceable.



ashley? she's a grunt. stationed on a backwater world with a chip on her shoulder. hasn't seen enough of the universe to draw any valid conclusions.



tali? she tracked down one of saren's geth, killed it, and managed to salvage its memory core. ALONE. then, knowing the sensitivity of the data, she seeks protection from the top information broker in the galaxy. she's very independent and proactive.



liara? liara is the stereotypical geek. can't talk to people about much else than her passions, immerses herself in what she loves, and is generally clueless about relationships.



i picked the most well-adjusted female on my team. THEN i found out i couldn't romance her. too bad.



let's move on to ME2:



liara? shep's death was a splash of ice water to the face for her. she's discovered she has a backbone, and a mission apart from following shep around with googoo eyes. classic maturation scenario, she's better for it.



tali? independent, on a mission AGAIN, on her way to another mission. she gets stuff done, just like in the first game.



ashley? hasn't really bothered to broaden her horizons since you've left, and pretty much remains a constant (assuming you didn't influence her to be more open in ME1).



is it any wonder i chose tali again once i could? compared to the new romance options in ME2, only samara exhibits anything near the self-reliance that tali has.



and this is all just based on their character bios and actions, not really getting into personalities.

[tonnactus]

curly haired boy wrote...


tali? she tracked down one of saren's geth, killed it, and managed to salvage its memory core. ALONE. then, knowing the sensitivity of the data, she seeks protection from the top information broker in the galaxy. she's very independent and proactive.

liara? liara is the stereotypical geek.

You aknowledge what tali did on her own.Now just remember that liara did research for 50 years without a protector
across the galaxy and defeated pirates and slavers with her biotics.Stereotypical geek?

[curly haired boy]

tonnactus wrote...

curly haired boy wrote...


tali? she tracked down one of saren's geth, killed it, and managed to salvage its memory core. ALONE. then, knowing the sensitivity of the data, she seeks protection from the top information broker in the galaxy. she's very independent and proactive.

liara? liara is the stereotypical geek.

You aknowledge what tali did on her own.Now just remember that liara did research for 50 years without a protector
across the galaxy and defeated pirates and slavers with her biotics.Stereotypical geek?

quite so. let's not confuse her actions after ME1 with her actions before ME1.

[xlavaina]

curly haired boy wrote...

i don't really get the 'submissive' label that tali gets

back when i played ME1 for the first time, i had a chance to consider the females on my squad. i didn't know at the time that only 2 were romanceable.

ashley? she's a grunt. stationed on a backwater world with a chip on her shoulder. hasn't seen enough of the universe to draw any valid conclusions.

tali? she tracked down one of saren's geth, killed it, and managed to salvage its memory core. ALONE. then, knowing the sensitivity of the data, she seeks protection from the top information broker in the galaxy. she's very independent and proactive.

liara? liara is the stereotypical geek. can't talk to people about much else than her passions, immerses herself in what she loves, and is generally clueless about relationships.

i picked the most well-adjusted female on my team. THEN i found out i couldn't romance her. too bad.

let's move on to ME2:

liara? shep's death was a splash of ice water to the face for her. she's discovered she has a backbone, and a mission apart from following shep around with googoo eyes. classic maturation scenario, she's better for it.

tali? independent, on a mission AGAIN, on her way to another mission. she gets stuff done, just like in the first game.

ashley? hasn't really bothered to broaden her horizons since you've left, and pretty much remains a constant (assuming you didn't influence her to be more open in ME1).

is it any wonder i chose tali again once i could? compared to the new romance options in ME2, only samara exhibits anything near the self-reliance that tali has.

and this is all just based on their character bios and actions, not really getting into personalities.

You are correct about most of this, but I disagree on a couple of points. The one that was already stated about Liara in the previous post I agree with. She did research for fifty years alone and is able to fend for herself. Don't forget Liara is like four times your age. She might be still in the "immature" stage of Asari life, but she still has enough experience to take care of herself. 

Now about Tali. Yes she took down a single Geth alone, but I can't say that she "gets stuff done". Sure she was sent on two missions as the leader, but if not for Shep, she would have failed the first mission and died in the second. She works a lot better when not in the leadership position. 

[Nightwriter]

tonnactus wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Right. Remind me not to tell you any facts about my past, ever.

See, it's because of people like this that BioWare gave us a character like Jacob whose depths are totally closed off to us.

O dear.I talk about "alphamales". And i only want to add that just because people have a diffecult past and problems,that
didnt make them more dept then people who didnt have such problems.

Must... not... say... what I... want... to say....

Hrrnrnng...

[jlb524]

Well...I'm nerdy/geeky/socially inept so the OP is totally on to something.