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[Jonas TM]

To answet the question.  Probably.

The HOT, nerdy, socially awkward scientist was fairly appealing to this nerdy, socially awkward scientist.

Modifié par Jonas TM, 02 septembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[Fanbus]

My turn!

I used to think like the OP (back in my EQ, and UO days, hehe). But now I don't know why things are very different. I wanted to say I agree with you, but the more I think about it (and reflect on my own life) the more I want to disagree.

Having dated girls like Tali, I've gotten to the point now where I'm just not into them. Once I played the game and it became aparent how easy Tali was she struck a nerve in me, immediately I rejected her. It's sad because I did the same with this one girl I was dating in college.

I'm the type of guy that for one reason or another always gets put in charge of the situation. Even when I do my best to stay low, either because of my actions, my dedication, etc I'm always put in charge. Whether on a school project, at work, with my group of friends, I always inadvertantly become the focus. If you pull me aside and we had a chat you'd find out I'm the least "alpha" you'd ever meet.

That being said I always end up with the Miranda or Jack types (a lot of Jack types...). But turns out that in all those situations the Jack types eventually turn into the Tali types. I'm my experience? All women are a Tali, just different shades of Tali (some more than others).In my experience Jacks turned into Tali faster than Talis turned into Talis (if that made any sense). Even with her butch looks and sleeve tatoos, this one girl I met and dated for a year slowly turned into a Tali. I think that's what lead to us separating.

Miranda in the two male shep run throughs has always been my favorite. Not so much do to her looks, but because she's a down to earth no nonsense type of person (somewhat..). Those are the type of girls I like now days; down to earth, don't put up with nonsense, very straight forward with their opinions, and strict. My girlfriend now (fiancee) for 2 years is a mirror of Miranda personality wise. Well she's a blonde Miranda if you set the boob and ass sliders to a 3 instead of a 10... Although she was very high-maintnence and such, the more we got to know each other the more of a theoretical Tali she became.

Modifié par Fanbus, 02 septembre 2010 - 05:01 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

As a person of great moral fiber and integrity, I liked Liara because everybody wants to be James T. Kirk and I liked Miranda cause she is hot.



In one playthrough I romanced Ashley, that seemed the most "real" as she is probably the most strong-willed out of all of the female LIs.

[Siansonea]

Fanbus wrote...

My turn!

I used to think like the OP (back in my EQ, and UO days, hehe). But now I don't know why things are very different. I wanted to say I agree with you, but the more I think about it (and reflect on my own life) the more I want to disagree.

Having dated girls like Tali, I've gotten to the point now where I'm just not into them. Once I played the game and it became aparent how easy Tali was she struck a nerve in me, immediately I rejected her. It's sad because I did the same with this one girl I was dating in college.

I'm the type of guy that for one reason or another always gets put in charge of the situation. Even when I do my best to stay low, either because of my actions, my dedication, etc I'm always put in charge. Whether on a school project, at work, with my group of friends, I always inadvertantly become the focus. If you pull me aside and we had a chat you'd find out I'm the least "alpha" you'd ever meet.

That being said I always end up with the Miranda or Jack types (a lot of Jack types...). But turns out that in all those situations the Jack types eventually turn into the Tali types. I'm my experience? All women are a Tali, just different shades of Tali (some more than others).In my experience Jacks turned into Tali faster than Talis turned into Talis (if that made any sense). Even with her butch looks and sleeve tatoos, this one girl I met and dated for a year slowly turned into a Tali. I think that's what lead to us separating.

Miranda in the two male shep run throughs has always been my favorite. Not so much do to her looks, but because she's a down to earth no nonsense type of person (somewhat..). Those are the type of girls I like now days; down to earth, don't put up with nonsense, very straight forward with their opinions, and strict. My girlfriend now (fiancee) for 2 years is a mirror of Miranda personality wise. Well she's a blonde Miranda if you set the boob and ass sliders to a 3 instead of a 10... Although she was very high-maintnence and such, the more we got to know each other the more of a theoretical Tali she became.

"All women are Tali?"

I don't even know where to begin to respond to that, but I can't say I'm surprised that you would make a statement like this. You do realize that it's a pretty offensive thing to say, right?

I guess your perfect women would always keep her emotions to herself, and just be available for sex or conversation or whatever you want, when you want it, then go do her own thing when you want to do something else. Is that about right?

[KainrycKarr]

Fanbus wrote...

My turn!

I used to think like the
OP (back in my EQ, and UO days, hehe). But now I don't know why things
are very different. I wanted to say I agree with you, but the more I
think about it (and reflect on my own life) the more I want to disagree.

Having
dated girls like Tali, I've gotten to the point now where I'm just not
into them. Once I played the game and it became aparent how easy Tali
was she struck a nerve in me, immediately I rejected her. It's sad
because I did the same with this one girl I was dating in college.

I'm
the type of guy that for one reason or another always gets put in
charge of the situation. Even when I do my best to stay low, either
because of my actions, my dedication, etc I'm always put in charge.
Whether on a school project, at work, with my group of friends, I always
inadvertantly become the focus. If you pull me aside and we had a chat
you'd find out I'm the least "alpha" you'd ever meet.

That being
said I always end up with the Miranda or Jack types (a lot of Jack
types...). But turns out that in all those situations the Jack types
eventually turn into the Tali types. I'm my experience? All women are a
Tali, just different shades of Tali (some more than others).In my
experience Jacks turned into Tali faster than Talis turned into Talis
(if that made any sense). Even with her butch looks and sleeve tatoos,
this one girl I met and dated for a year slowly turned into a Tali.
I think that's what lead to us separating.

Miranda in the two
male shep run throughs has always been my favorite. Not so much do to
her looks, but because she's a down to earth no nonsense type of person
(somewhat..). Those are the type of girls I like now days; down to
earth, don't put up with nonsense, very straight forward with their
opinions, and strict. My girlfriend now (fiancee) for 2 years is a
mirror of Miranda personality wise. Well she's a blonde Miranda if you
set the boob and ass sliders to a 3 instead of a 10... Although she was
very high-maintnence and such, the more we got to know each other the
more of a theoretical Tali she became.
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Wow. Now that's arrogance.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 02 septembre 2010 - 05:32 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

Too many generalisations from fixed models that lack the dynamic a real relationship represents so... I'll just stick with the idea of  Tali/Liara being fan service to  " geek and socially awkward males".

I would have to respectfully disagree in that, if I compared the stories of the characters and their loyalty missions --- Miranda's mission is about her family and the baggage that comes with it...and its more or less some sort of a  " Meet the Tudors" type of situation only instead of swords and corrupt ministers its guns and mercs.  Totally self serving mission with each line and dialouge revolving around  " I-I-I" and  " Me-Me-Me".

Jack was a pseudo-could have/should have  angst woman changed from terrible abuse and because of it, she's most likely murdered and did all sorts of illegal crap. A wild card without a cause.

Now you compare those two with Tali Z and Liara T.   One is sort of like an Archologist and the other is a Mechanic/Engineer... but what was Tali's mission about?  Family and her colony ship. Her self sacrafice to go to dangerous places and attempt difficult missions for her father and her people. It was what you call a  " Good "  mission as opposed to a shady one where your walking a very thin grey area as to who you pull the trigger on. 

Liara's case?  She was digging for Protheon technology and happen to be the daughter of a Matriarch who ended up being seduced by a Reaper and Sarin.  Up until Shepard's death... it's also a clean background without shady details other than her mother's actions of which she detested and helped fix.


Tali wanted to help her father and the Quarian Fleet.

Jack wanted to kill/destroy  a place that scarred her.

Miranda was doing her  " As The Galaxy Turns"  gig with a whole bunch of whiney complaints about the assumption she is " perfect".

Liara? Gets saved by Shepard,  is with him until the end --- and fights for his husk of a body out of dedication. 


So from that prespective, I can see the differences all together and it doesn't have anything to do with social expectations of what type of woman these characters may represent because they don't... their just fixed individuals with qualities that are made to stand out and are 2D at the end of the day.

[MajesticJazz]

Siansonea II wrote...

Fanbus wrote...

My turn!

I used to think like the OP (back in my EQ, and UO days, hehe). But now I don't know why things are very different. I wanted to say I agree with you, but the more I think about it (and reflect on my own life) the more I want to disagree.

Having dated girls like Tali, I've gotten to the point now where I'm just not into them. Once I played the game and it became aparent how easy Tali was she struck a nerve in me, immediately I rejected her. It's sad because I did the same with this one girl I was dating in college.

I'm the type of guy that for one reason or another always gets put in charge of the situation. Even when I do my best to stay low, either because of my actions, my dedication, etc I'm always put in charge. Whether on a school project, at work, with my group of friends, I always inadvertantly become the focus. If you pull me aside and we had a chat you'd find out I'm the least "alpha" you'd ever meet.

That being said I always end up with the Miranda or Jack types (a lot of Jack types...). But turns out that in all those situations the Jack types eventually turn into the Tali types. I'm my experience? All women are a Tali, just different shades of Tali (some more than others).In my experience Jacks turned into Tali faster than Talis turned into Talis (if that made any sense). Even with her butch looks and sleeve tatoos, this one girl I met and dated for a year slowly turned into a Tali. I think that's what lead to us separating.

Miranda in the two male shep run throughs has always been my favorite. Not so much do to her looks, but because she's a down to earth no nonsense type of person (somewhat..). Those are the type of girls I like now days; down to earth, don't put up with nonsense, very straight forward with their opinions, and strict. My girlfriend now (fiancee) for 2 years is a mirror of Miranda personality wise. Well she's a blonde Miranda if you set the boob and ass sliders to a 3 instead of a 10... Although she was very high-maintnence and such, the more we got to know each other the more of a theoretical Tali she became.

"All women are Tali?"

I don't even know where to begin to respond to that, but I can't say I'm surprised that you would make a statement like this. You do realize that it's a pretty offensive thing to say, right?

I guess your perfect women would always keep her emotions to herself, and just be available for sex or conversation or whatever you want, when you want it, then go do her own thing when you want to do something else. Is that about right?

I think what he was trying to say, is that no matter how strong, dominate, or independent a women may be. Whenever she gets deeply in a relationship with a male (And possibly fall in love), most of the time the women would eventually take on the....well......female role and let the male be the "one in charge" and so on.

I am not going to say that ALL women are like this, but I will say that MOST women are like that. No matter how young or old, attractive or unnattractive, dependent or independent, MOST women would eventually fall into the "I let my man lead" attitude.

Sad, but true.

[MrnDvlDg161]

And may I add....



How the word submission is being used is highly abused.



Someone who decides to open their doors to a person because after awhile they decide they like them is not being " submissive", its called letting your guard down during a mutual friendship with an idea that a certain respect ( if not something more) occurs than if you were someone else that they didn't get to know.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I think what he was trying to say, is that no matter how strong,
dominate, or independent a women may be. Whenever she gets deeply in a
relationship with a male (And possibly fall in love), most of the time
the women would eventually take on the....well......female role and let
the male be the "one in charge" and so on.

I am not going to say
that ALL women are like this, but I will say that MOST women are like
that. No matter how young or old, attractive or unnattractive, dependent
or independent, MOST women would eventually fall into the "I let my man
lead" attitude.

Sad, but true.


******

Don't know about that one buddy --- but that is an opinion... I fail to see any truth.

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 02 septembre 2010 - 05:55 .

[Siansonea]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Fanbus wrote...

My turn!

I used to think like the OP (back in my EQ, and UO days, hehe). But now I don't know why things are very different. I wanted to say I agree with you, but the more I think about it (and reflect on my own life) the more I want to disagree.

Having dated girls like Tali, I've gotten to the point now where I'm just not into them. Once I played the game and it became aparent how easy Tali was she struck a nerve in me, immediately I rejected her. It's sad because I did the same with this one girl I was dating in college.

I'm the type of guy that for one reason or another always gets put in charge of the situation. Even when I do my best to stay low, either because of my actions, my dedication, etc I'm always put in charge. Whether on a school project, at work, with my group of friends, I always inadvertantly become the focus. If you pull me aside and we had a chat you'd find out I'm the least "alpha" you'd ever meet.

That being said I always end up with the Miranda or Jack types (a lot of Jack types...). But turns out that in all those situations the Jack types eventually turn into the Tali types. I'm my experience? All women are a Tali, just different shades of Tali (some more than others).In my experience Jacks turned into Tali faster than Talis turned into Talis (if that made any sense). Even with her butch looks and sleeve tatoos, this one girl I met and dated for a year slowly turned into a Tali. I think that's what lead to us separating.

Miranda in the two male shep run throughs has always been my favorite. Not so much do to her looks, but because she's a down to earth no nonsense type of person (somewhat..). Those are the type of girls I like now days; down to earth, don't put up with nonsense, very straight forward with their opinions, and strict. My girlfriend now (fiancee) for 2 years is a mirror of Miranda personality wise. Well she's a blonde Miranda if you set the boob and ass sliders to a 3 instead of a 10... Although she was very high-maintnence and such, the more we got to know each other the more of a theoretical Tali she became.

"All women are Tali?"

I don't even know where to begin to respond to that, but I can't say I'm surprised that you would make a statement like this. You do realize that it's a pretty offensive thing to say, right?

I guess your perfect women would always keep her emotions to herself, and just be available for sex or conversation or whatever you want, when you want it, then go do her own thing when you want to do something else. Is that about right?

I think what he was trying to say, is that no matter how strong, dominate, or independent a women may be. Whenever she gets deeply in a relationship with a male (And possibly fall in love), most of the time the women would eventually take on the....well......female role and let the male be the "one in charge" and so on.

I am not going to say that ALL women are like this, but I will say that MOST women are like that. No matter how young or old, attractive or unnattractive, dependent or independent, MOST women would eventually fall into the "I let my man lead" attitude.

Sad, but true.

And this is why I am emphatically single. So many men get weird if you start to have feelings for them, and act like you're asking them for a kidney or something. Ironically, the more over it I am, the more attractive men seem to find me. Naturally. It's almost comical. If I really want someone to go away, all I have to do is act like I care. It's like magic. I think most men want a woman who is actually a man in a woman's body, somebody who thinks like they do, and doesn't 'hassle' them. Well, good luck with that, we can live without you a lot easier than you can live without us, that's for sure.

I think that's why Kaidan is so popular, to be honest. He's the guy we women wish existed, normal and not afraid to care about someone, and have someone care about him. BioWare knew what they were doing with him, I know there were female writers involved in that character. It's no wonder so many men hate him, he's not like them.

Not liking the generalizations when the shoe is on the other foot, are you?

[upsettingshorts]

Funny thing about message boards. You think you've posted the definitive counter argument and walk away, almost arrogant in your satisfaction with a job well done.

Then you come back and there's still more pages, none referencing your points, continuing on if you never posted.

Humble pie, indeed.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 septembre 2010 - 06:01 .

[MajesticJazz]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I think what he was trying to say, is that no matter how strong,
dominate, or independent a women may be. Whenever she gets deeply in a
relationship with a male (And possibly fall in love), most of the time
the women would eventually take on the....well......female role and let
the male be the "one in charge" and so on.

I am not going to say
that ALL women are like this, but I will say that MOST women are like
that. No matter how young or old, attractive or unnattractive, dependent
or independent, MOST women would eventually fall into the "I let my man
lead" attitude.

Sad, but true.


******

Don't know about that one buddy --- but that is an opinion... I fail to see any truth.

No, that is just where we are in this society.

I have meet many so called "independent women" and that is what turned me on about them, that they weren't the financially/emotionally needy women. Then when I get into a relationship with them, a few months downt he road....they turn into the financially/emotionally needy women who wants to know why I bought a $4000 TV for myself but only got her a birthday card for her birthday and so on.

I'm more into the emotionally and financially stable women. Do they exist? Yes, but it is like finding a needle in the Pacific Ocean......its there.....but the chances of me finding it is near impossible.

As to how this relates to this topic....come to think of it.....eventually ALL female LIs fall into that "I'm emotionally torn and I need a shoulder to lean on" now when you compare this to the Male LIs, they all come across as the "I'm here to protect you and give you that shoulder to lean on"

[MrnDvlDg161]

MajesticJazz wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

I think what he was trying to say, is that no matter how strong,
dominate, or independent a women may be. Whenever she gets deeply in a
relationship with a male (And possibly fall in love), most of the time
the women would eventually take on the....well......female role and let
the male be the "one in charge" and so on.

I am not going to say
that ALL women are like this, but I will say that MOST women are like
that. No matter how young or old, attractive or unnattractive, dependent
or independent, MOST women would eventually fall into the "I let my man
lead" attitude.

Sad, but true.


******

Don't know about that one buddy --- but that is an opinion... I fail to see any truth.

No, that is just where we are in this society.

I have meet many so called "independent women" and that is what turned me on about them, that they weren't the financially/emotionally needy women. Then when I get into a relationship with them, a few months downt he road....they turn into the financially/emotionally needy women who wants to know why I bought a $4000 TV for myself but only got her a birthday card for her birthday and so on.

I'm more into the emotionally and financially stable women. Do they exist? Yes, but it is like finding a needle in the Pacific Ocean......its there.....but the chances of me finding it is near impossible.

As to how this relates to this topic....come to think of it.....eventually ALL female LIs fall into that "I'm emotionally torn and I need a shoulder to lean on" now when you compare this to the Male LIs, they all come across as the "I'm here to protect you and give you that shoulder to lean on"

lol...

I shant go any further with this one, the post sells its self.

Indeed. Good luck with that search.

[Oblivious]

Siansonea II wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Fanbus wrote...

My turn!

I used to think like the OP (back in my EQ, and UO days, hehe). But now I don't know why things are very different. I wanted to say I agree with you, but the more I think about it (and reflect on my own life) the more I want to disagree.

Having dated girls like Tali, I've gotten to the point now where I'm just not into them. Once I played the game and it became aparent how easy Tali was she struck a nerve in me, immediately I rejected her. It's sad because I did the same with this one girl I was dating in college.

I'm the type of guy that for one reason or another always gets put in charge of the situation. Even when I do my best to stay low, either because of my actions, my dedication, etc I'm always put in charge. Whether on a school project, at work, with my group of friends, I always inadvertantly become the focus. If you pull me aside and we had a chat you'd find out I'm the least "alpha" you'd ever meet.

That being said I always end up with the Miranda or Jack types (a lot of Jack types...). But turns out that in all those situations the Jack types eventually turn into the Tali types. I'm my experience? All women are a Tali, just different shades of Tali (some more than others).In my experience Jacks turned into Tali faster than Talis turned into Talis (if that made any sense). Even with her butch looks and sleeve tatoos, this one girl I met and dated for a year slowly turned into a Tali. I think that's what lead to us separating.

Miranda in the two male shep run throughs has always been my favorite. Not so much do to her looks, but because she's a down to earth no nonsense type of person (somewhat..). Those are the type of girls I like now days; down to earth, don't put up with nonsense, very straight forward with their opinions, and strict. My girlfriend now (fiancee) for 2 years is a mirror of Miranda personality wise. Well she's a blonde Miranda if you set the boob and ass sliders to a 3 instead of a 10... Although she was very high-maintnence and such, the more we got to know each other the more of a theoretical Tali she became.

"All women are Tali?"

I don't even know where to begin to respond to that, but I can't say I'm surprised that you would make a statement like this. You do realize that it's a pretty offensive thing to say, right?

I guess your perfect women would always keep her emotions to herself, and just be available for sex or conversation or whatever you want, when you want it, then go do her own thing when you want to do something else. Is that about right?

I think what he was trying to say, is that no matter how strong, dominate, or independent a women may be. Whenever she gets deeply in a relationship with a male (And possibly fall in love), most of the time the women would eventually take on the....well......female role and let the male be the "one in charge" and so on.

I am not going to say that ALL women are like this, but I will say that MOST women are like that. No matter how young or old, attractive or unnattractive, dependent or independent, MOST women would eventually fall into the "I let my man lead" attitude.

Sad, but true.

And this is why I am emphatically single. So many men get weird if you start to have feelings for them, and act like you're asking them for a kidney or something. Ironically, the more over it I am, the more attractive men seem to find me. Naturally. It's almost comical. If I really want someone to go away, all I have to do is act like I care. It's like magic. I think most men want a woman who is actually a man in a woman's body, somebody who thinks like they do, and doesn't 'hassle' them. Well, good luck with that, we can live without you a lot easier than you can live without us, that's for sure.

I think that's why Kaidan is so popular, to be honest. He's the guy we women wish existed, normal and not afraid to care about someone, and have someone care about him. BioWare knew what they were doing with him, I know there were female writers involved in that character. It's no wonder so many men hate him, he's not like them.

Not liking the generalizations when the shoe is on the other foot, are you?

There's a reason most men would rather spend the entire night in a bar with their friends than in bed with their wife;) I only wish that the "independent" women were actually independent. I mean, I don't care how your day went, I don't care what happened in work, I don't care your mother died, I just don't care now let me watch the fight/game.

[Siansonea]

MajesticJazz wrote...
*snipped*
No, that is just where we are in this society.

I have meet many so called "independent women" and that is what turned me on about them, that they weren't the financially/emotionally needy women. Then when I get into a relationship with them, a few months downt he road....they turn into the financially/emotionally needy women who wants to know why I bought a $4000 TV for myself but only got her a birthday card for her birthday and so on.

I'm more into the emotionally and financially stable women. Do they exist? Yes, but it is like finding a needle in the Pacific Ocean......its there.....but the chances of me finding it is near impossible.

As to how this relates to this topic....come to think of it.....eventually ALL female LIs fall into that "I'm emotionally torn and I need a shoulder to lean on" now when you compare this to the Male LIs, they all come across as the "I'm here to protect you and give you that shoulder to lean on"

...and Siansonea II read:

“I want a woman who is there when I want her to be, who is happy with whatever I give her, and who doesn’t interfere with my life in any way. And keep your emotions to yourself sister.”

We women often make the mistake of thinking that men have layers, because we women have layers. We don’t immediately realize that with men, often what you see is what you get. It’s ALL you get. And we’re always so surprised when we try to get to know males “on a deeper level” that there IS no deeper level. We women need to realize that men aren’t going to give us what we need. That emotional connection we seek? Yeah, you guys are SO not into it, especially if there is a $4,000 television anywhere nearby. Honestly, we women should use you males for sex and occasional social companionship, but otherwise devote our lives to ourselves and our female friends that can actually empathize with and share our experiences. Something tells me a lot of men would like that arrangement just fine as well. Of course if we don’t come when you call, you’ll get pissed. But too bad, at least your shoulders are dry, take the bad with the good.

[Siansonea]

Oblivious wrote...

*snipped
There's a reason most men would rather spend the entire night in a bar with their friends than in bed with their wife;) I only wish that the "independent" women were actually independent. I mean, I don't care how your day went, I don't care what happened in work, I don't care your mother died, I just don't care now let me watch the fight/game.

Have fun with your friends, and I hope your team wins the fight or whatever. Call me when...on second thought, don't call me.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 02 septembre 2010 - 06:38 .

[upsettingshorts]

Many men do have "layers," they just keep them to themselves. Or aren't consciously aware of them. Most are uncomfortable with sharing them, or having them shared with them - they're things we deal with internally. Call it a defensive mechanism, call it being emotionally stunted, but there it is.  Men and women speak and feel in what could be considered different languages, and things get lost in translation.

That being said, there are a lot of real life opinions seeping into this thread, and I have to say I'm feeling quite disappointed with the guys in here. You're not helping our reputation, fellas. That isn't to say I'm implicitly white-knighting the thread, I've got my share of issues I have to deal with just like everyone else* - but I can't fathom how flaunting ones own selfishness in public is of benefit to anyone.

* Hint, I'm a self-styled nice guy who is too smart for his own good.  Combine that with my tendency to overthink things and carefully choose words, especially with women, I tend to come off as at best indecisive and at worst manipulative.  It's an issue I've only recently become consciously aware of.  For someone like me who can't help himself but speculate constantly, saying something as bold and simple as "I want you" is a very scary thing.

Bravery comes from experience or ignorance.  Never doubt.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 septembre 2010 - 07:01 .

[Madcat46]

Lol, this seems to have taken a turn for the worse for us guys, seems we still don't know how to shut up while we're not ahead. (mind you I haven't read a lot of the last few pages)



Here's my opinion... I don't consider myself nerdy, geeky, maybe somewhat socially awkward but I can usually hold my own when it comes down to it . But did you ever think it might be because they're ALIENS!? How often do you get to romance an alien? Anyone can romance another human... when was the last time you saw a blue chick walking around? =)



Maybe they're just popular because you know you can't have them, that's usually how life works, no?

[Oblivious]

Like Upsettingshorts said, we all have our layers. What's different is in how we confront them. The layers women are (at least to me) most concerned about are external and deal with how their day went or what they did and they express it to people who couldn't care less. Men are more concerned with internal conflicts such as how we view ourselves. "Are I proud? Are I strong-willed? Are I brave? Are I cowards? Are I weak? Am I honorable or sadistic? Am I the black sheep to my family or the white knight?" The difference is that we follow an "It's my problem, It's my responsibility and I will deal with it like a man" mantra.



We have layers, layers that are a bit deeper than that of women (thus the greater suicide percentage) but we don't plague the world by discussing it. It's a form of strength, a strength that says that you are strong enough to deal with your own problems and thats why independent girls are so popular.



But like shorts also said, we are off-topic here

[Madcat46]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Many men do have "layers," they just keep them to themselves. Or aren't consciously aware of them. Most are uncomfortable with sharing them, or having them shared with them - they're things we deal with internally. Call it a defensive mechanism, call it being emotionally stunted, but there it is.  Men and women speak and feel in what could be considered different languages, and things get lost in translation.

That being said, there are a lot of real life opinions seeping into this thread, and I have to say I'm feeling quite disappointed with the guys in here. You're not helping our reputation, fellas. That isn't to say I'm implicitly white-knighting the thread, I've got my share of issues I have to deal with just like everyone else* - but I can't fathom how flaunting ones own selfishness in public is of benefit to anyone.

* Hint, I'm a self-styled nice guy who is too smart for his own good.  Combine that with my tendency to overthink things and carefully choose words, especially with women, I tend to come off as at best indecisive and at worst manipulative.  It's an issue I've only recently become consciously aware of.  For someone like me who can't help himself but speculate constantly, saying something as bold and simple as "I want you" is a very scary thing.

Bravery comes from experience or ignorance.  Never doubt.

Shhhh, don't tell them!

They worked so hard to look like arrogant a**hats, you're ruining it all for them

Ladies, forget what he said, we don't have layers, we don't have feelings, and yes, you are supposed to come when called. That is all

*runs away*

P.S. It's a joke, don't hurt me

[Madcat46]

Oblivious wrote...

We have layers, layers that are a bit deeper than that of women (thus the greater suicide percentage) but we don't plague the world by discussing it. It's a form of strength, a strength that says that you are strong enough to deal with your own problems and thats why independent girls are so popular.

But like shorts also said, we are off-topic here

That's the spirit! throw another one on the fire!

*sigh*

-edit- 'cause I apparently don't know how to spell this early in the morning

Modifié par Madcat46, 02 septembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[Fanbus]

Siansonea II wrote...
"All women are Tali?"

I don't even know where to begin to respond to that, but I can't say I'm surprised that you would make a statement like this. You do realize that it's a pretty offensive thing to say, right?

I guess your perfect women would always keep her emotions to herself, and just be available for sex or conversation or whatever you want, when you want it, then go do her own thing when you want to do something else. Is that about right?

Wait what?! That's what I get for not making definitions and going with the forum's norm.
No Tali is not a bad thing, sorry I didn't explain myself completely I was trying to keep things breif. I was trying to counter the things the OP said by stating that in my life experience the really hard up independent "looking" types, turned into Tali types (accessible, smart, kind, likes nerds, etc) once I broke through the shell.

NEVER did I say "I like a submissive woman". I never wanted to imply that. I guess saying that all women are Tali's implied that? The statement "all women are different shades of Tali" translates to:
"All women are accessible but some may give off that they are independant and tough moreso than others". It doesn't mean all women are submissive. Accessible, meaning they'll go out with you (if they want to of course) just you have to do more or less work. By all women I mean women that you would date.

I was trying to answer the statement:
"Nerds/Geeks tend to favor Tali Liara because they are a bit softer and accessible and open up to you easier where as they avoid Miranda et. al. due to the hard shell. Therefor they are less popular." I was stating that all the women I've dated were mostly Jack or Miranda types that slowly turned into a Tali type. But Tali isn't a bad thing to me. I loved Tali's a lot!

My current gf is a Tali (shares her feelings, is highly emotional, we do stuff together all the time, is my best friend). We even do hobbies together and she's a part of my "team". However, back when we met she was a Miranda. If I would have continued to do like I was doing (as the OP suggested) I would have never met her and found out that we shared a lot in common. Hence why I felt bad when my Shep doesn't go for Tali in the game.

Hope the explains it

We women often make the mistake of thinking that men have layers, because we women have layers. We don’t immediately realize that with men, often what you see is what you get. It’s ALL you get. And we’re always so surprised when we try to get to know males “on a deeper level” that there IS no deeper level. We women need to realize that men aren’t going to give us what we need. That emotional connection we seek? Yeah, you guys are SO not into it, especially if there is a $4,000 television anywhere nearby. Honestly, we women should use you males for sex and occasional social companionship, but otherwise devote our lives to ourselves and our female friends that can actually empathize with and share our experiences. Something tells me a lot of men would like that arrangement just fine as well. Of course if we don’t come when you call, you’ll get pissed. But too bad, at least your shoulders are dry, take the bad with the good.

No not all men are like that. Out of my group only one guy was like that and I can tell you that we were all glad when he packed his bags and moved to Idaho. If you want to know the definition of douchebag he embodied it. Part of it was me tolerating his BS. I think my gf had a lot to do with getting me to realize how much of a d-bag the guy was.

Out of my peers (and I've seen this as a growing trend) all of us (except the afformentioned idiot) have experienced a shift. The women we date and hope to date, we view as part of our team. We want to do stuff with them, work together, share experiences, share hobbies. That has a lot to do with age. I've been the primary proponent of coed social groups. The whole "the boys doing their thing" is slowly fading away. Actually my gf is the kingpin in a lot of things we do (kingpin meaning the mechanical pin holding things together). I'd like to describe it as a team working together, being best friends, sharing hobbies, activities (even male or traditionally female activities), and relying on each other even during the worst times.

And we’re always so surprised when we try to get to know males “on a deeper level” that there IS no deeper level.

That's unfair that you say that Siansonea. Have you ever stopped and thought of the deep conversations you've had in this forum which is primarily made up of guys? No we're not all dead beat nail heads. You're getting quite a bit of deep discussion from us on this forum and I'm sure if we were in a more broad general forum you'd get even more. So I think we should get some credit.

Besides, how dare you speak bad of me... I'm one of the only folks who's had a pretty decent conversation with you about the whole Fight for the Love debacle.


I think the electronic gaming revolution is going to change a lot. Girls that played MMOs were non exsistant a few years back. Now days I'm always either teamed up with my gf in WoW or helping someone elses gf. The days of a few beers and football I say are slowly becoming equal to LAN parties and MMO gaming.

Modifié par Fanbus, 02 septembre 2010 - 07:39 .

[kalle90]

Madcat46 wrote...

But did you ever think it might be because they're ALIENS!? How often do you get to romance an alien? Anyone can romance another human... when was the last time you saw a blue chick walking around? =)

Maybe they're just popular because you know you can't have them, that's usually how life works, no?

Can't forget that fact either. All the talk about 1000 year lifespan of monogendered species and a race trapped in spacesuits travelling in huge fleets plus the original looks were more interesting than the generic human versions. I was interested to experiment

Of course, you could say that just being interested in all that is borderline geeky. The real players just take the smoking hot human girls without talking to the uninteresting people

[Oblivious]

I originally romanced Ashley and Miranda but after reading the comics and seeing just how dedicated Liara was to Shepard (she put her life on the line for 2 years in hope of vengeance for our sake) and I compared it to how much of a b!tch Ashley was in ME2 then definitely Liara through the whole experience. She's a genuinely good person but she does what she feels is right even if others disagree.

[Knightstar2001]

I don't know yet if this has been mention already,but a big reason they are so popular could be because they are from the First game and therefor have more history among those who brought their character over. The alien part is a factor, I won't lie.

Liara also has the fact that she was a LI for both male and female shepards along with the fact that she was the only unkillable LI in ME. Also due to her race's mating method,she is the only non human LI who can give either Shepard a child( correct me if it has been confirmed that humans can have kids with Turians or Quarians).

if you take the graphic novel into consideration,I would almost call her the Default or canon Love interest. Only reason stopping it really seems to be Bioware's stand that there is no canon despite releasing comics and it seems books that establish canon.