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#326
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dbankier wrote...
It just seems that most of this discussion has stemmed from something that was never said in the first place. I'm sorry if that wasn't what you meant, but I've seen a lot "David Gaider said elven romances have been done to death," without any actual quotes to back that up.


It's a bit of the telephone game in action, I think. Someone interprets something I say, and then someone reads that interpretation as a quote, then later others forget that their interpretation wasn't a quote... and so on. No worries.

I can only speak from the romances for games I've been involved in making-- which for me run from BG2 to KotOR to NWN (and expansions) before DAO. Ignoring KotOR, there's a fair number of female elves in that batch (especially in BG2, which still resonates strongly with me even though it was so long ago) and I was interested in trying something a little different for DAO. That's the same desire that brought forth Alistair and Zevran, as well.

The same thing applies for DA2, meaning the "doing something different" angle. Elves are not off the table, nor anything else really. The only thing you're most likely to not see are romance characters that are very similar to those we had in DAO, and only because I'd rather not do the same thing twice in a row.

I really doubt I'd ever say "you know what? We need a female elf!" and build a character concept built entirely around that. That would be an incredibly boring concept to start with. But if we had a concept that worked well with an elf and it was different enough, sure it could happen.

No promises, however.

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Ortaya Alevli

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David Gaider wrote...

dbankier wrote...
It just seems that most of this discussion has stemmed from something that was never said in the first place. I'm sorry if that wasn't what you meant, but I've seen a lot "David Gaider said elven romances have been done to death," without any actual quotes to back that up.


It's a bit of the telephone game in action, I think. Someone interprets something I say, and then someone reads that interpretation as a quote, then later others forget that their interpretation wasn't a quote... and so on. No worries.

I can only speak from the romances for games I've been involved in making-- which for me run from BG2 to KotOR to NWN (and expansions) before DAO. Ignoring KotOR, there's a fair number of female elves in that batch (especially in BG2, which still resonates strongly with me even though it was so long ago) and I was interested in trying something a little different for DAO. That's the same desire that brought forth Alistair and Zevran, as well.

The same thing applies for DA2, meaning the "doing something different" angle. Elves are not off the table, nor anything else really. The only thing you're most likely to not see are romance characters that are very similar to those we had in DAO, and only because I'd rather not do the same thing twice in a row.

I really doubt I'd ever say "you know what? We need a female elf!" and build a character concept built entirely around that. That would be an incredibly boring concept to start with. But if we had a concept that worked well with an elf and it was different enough, sure it could happen.

No promises, however.

This is better than a promise.

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David Gaider wrote...

The same thing applies for DA2, meaning the "doing something different" angle. Elves are not off the table, nor anything else really. The only thing you're most likely to not see are romance characters that are very similar to those we had in DAO, and only because I'd rather not do the same thing twice in a row.

I really doubt I'd ever say "you know what? We need a female elf!" and build a character concept built entirely around that. That would be an incredibly boring concept to start with. But if we had a concept that worked well with an elf and it was different enough, sure it could happen.

No promises, however.


Aren't you guys like five months away from shipping?  You still have details like this up in the air?  :):):)

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Fair enough. Thanks for the response David.
Though I would comment that your desire to do something different shouldn't Be the only consideration though.

What I mean is, if you have a chance to romance a giant female quinari, who is testerone driven and forces herself on Hawk every time the moons is full.... Dont do it just because it would be new and fun to design and write.


regardless of race, I want my female to be enjoyable to romance on a personal level. Not just new and entertaining.

Modifié par Zenjamin, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:40 .


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RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
Aren't you guys like five months away from shipping?  You still have details like this up in the air?  :):):)


Of course not. As far as DA2 is concerned, this ship sailed long ago. But you guys don't know anything about these characters so I imagine for you it's the same as them not existing.

Zenjamin wrote...
Fair enough. Thanks for the response David.
Though I would comment that your desire to do something different shouldn't Be the only consideration though.

What
I mean is, if you have a chance to romance a giant female quinari, who
is testerone driven and forces herself on Hawk every time the moons is
full.... Dont do it just because it would be new and fun to design and
write.


regardless of race, I want my female to be enjoyable to romance on a personal level. Not just new and entertaining.


We don't do things just for the sake of them being different. But as a writer I need to believe in what I'm creating, and not be bored with it. If I am, you will be as well, I assure you, no matter how much the concept might intrigue you on the surface.

Modifié par David Gaider, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:44 .


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Ortaya Alevli

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A testosterone-driven female qunari...you're right, that's something which should not be done under any circumstances.

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Why do I get the feeling that Mike is snickering behind his hand?

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Zenjamin wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that Mike is snickering behind his hand?


Do you hear that sound, Sheryl? That is the sound Ultimate Snickering. My heart made that sound when I read the "Give us a Female Elf Romance/Love interest" thread. The Lead Designer makes it now.

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Mary Kirby wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that Mike is snickering behind his hand?


Do you hear that sound, Sheryl? That is the sound Ultimate Snickering. My heart made that sound when I read the "Give us a Female Elf Romance/Love interest" thread. The Lead Designer makes it now.


:huh:

So...
can we still have hope? Or will our dreams shatter in a million pieces?

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actually I was glad Morrigan or Leliana weren't elves. That be said it would be cool to see in DA2



Plus we did get an elf, that Iona chick that was killed.

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Mary Kirby wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that Mike is snickering behind his hand?


Do you hear that sound, Sheryl? That is the sound Ultimate Snickering. My heart made that sound when I read the "Give us a Female Elf Romance/Love interest" thread. The Lead Designer makes it now.


!!! <-- (expressing speechless shock and alarm)

Are you the one who writes in all the Princess Bride references!?! You know they are irresistible, right? I've never had the strength or fortitude to pass up a single one. No matter how many times I play the game!

And if not please pass along my overzealous fan worship to the appropriate parties. Thank you. :)

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Mary Kirby wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that Mike is snickering behind his hand?


Do you hear that sound, Sheryl? That is the sound Ultimate Snickering. My heart made that sound when I read the "Give us a Female Elf Romance/Love interest" thread. The Lead Designer makes it now.


I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Does that mean it will or could happen or not?

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Mary Kirby wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that Mike is snickering behind his hand?


Do you hear that sound, Sheryl? That is the sound Ultimate Snickering. My heart made that sound when I read the "Give us a Female Elf Romance/Love interest" thread. The Lead Designer makes it now.


Who else has cause for Ultimate Snickering?



EDIT: And if you are the one who wrote in all of the Princess Bride references, I will love you forever. My favorite movie. I always do Sten's personal quest just for the satisfaction of saying "Sten, tear his arms off."

Modifié par Ahzrei, 03 octobre 2010 - 07:57 .


#339
ZaroktheImmortal

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David Gaider wrote...

dbankier wrote...
It just seems that most of this discussion has stemmed from something that was never said in the first place. I'm sorry if that wasn't what you meant, but I've seen a lot "David Gaider said elven romances have been done to death," without any actual quotes to back that up.


It's a bit of the telephone game in action, I think. Someone interprets something I say, and then someone reads that interpretation as a quote, then later others forget that their interpretation wasn't a quote... and so on. No worries.

I can only speak from the romances for games I've been involved in making-- which for me run from BG2 to KotOR to NWN (and expansions) before DAO. Ignoring KotOR, there's a fair number of female elves in that batch (especially in BG2, which still resonates strongly with me even though it was so long ago) and I was interested in trying something a little different for DAO. That's the same desire that brought forth Alistair and Zevran, as well.

The same thing applies for DA2, meaning the "doing something different" angle. Elves are not off the table, nor anything else really. The only thing you're most likely to not see are romance characters that are very similar to those we had in DAO, and only because I'd rather not do the same thing twice in a row.

I really doubt I'd ever say "you know what? We need a female elf!" and build a character concept built entirely around that. That would be an incredibly boring concept to start with. But if we had a concept that worked well with an elf and it was different enough, sure it could happen.

No promises, however.


Fair enough, I hope it will happen though. I wonder what our chances are of it actually happening.

#340
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ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Does that mean it will or could happen or not?


Yes.

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Definately maybe?

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 04 octobre 2010 - 08:37 .


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Mary Kirby wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...

Why do I get the feeling that Mike is snickering behind his hand?


Do you hear that sound, Sheryl? That is the sound Ultimate Snickering. My heart made that sound when I read the "Give us a Female Elf Romance/Love interest" thread. The Lead Designer makes it now.


Goddamnit, Mary, stop playing with us! I have already given you guys enough of my tasty salty tears.
Although, Mr. Gaider's post above sounds vaguely promising. Curse me for being an optimist.

On a lighter note, are you really the one who writes all the Princess Bride references? I can seldom resist screaming Death first! in Cauthrien's face. :lol:

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Lotion Soronarr

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Hello, my name is <> Cousland, you killed my father, prepare to die!

#344
Mary Kirby

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Well... I did write Sten's quest. And the Ser Cauthrien fight. And I snuck another one into the Landsmeet duel...

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If I remember during the past, Downloads David mentioned a future companion, syrus? sy...something either way Isn't that the guy from Leliana's DLC?
If they are reusing charecters from the DLC's and going into more depth with them in DA:2
If were going to get a Female Elf interest, it's most likely going to be Ariane. Which I wouldn't mind she's awesome and I would love to see her in more depth. May I ask who wrote her?
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Zenjamin wrote...
1) More options is always good. Dont want an elven romance? Good, thats why they should put in a human or dwarf romance. Want an elf romance? Good, that option should be there too.
Nobody should attack the idea of an option, unless that option will take away choices for you. And this will not be the case. There is no way there wont be a human romance option (imo). So there is no reason to fear an elven female romance option. Because it is just that. AN OPTION!


Romance zots are not infinite. To have a romanceable character, you first have to have an appropriate party-member. So the writing team has to write a female elf. Then, there has to be a sensible plot-hook for them to be in the party. Then, independent characterization and VO. A companion quest. Then, finally, the romance culmination.

So take DA:O as an example. If you write a character like Sten, and potentially wanted to have him as a romance option, you'd really plausibly only need a bit more dialogue (given how romances worked in DA:O). But if you wanted a female elf romance, you would first need a female elf companion.

Essentially, the cost of an elven female option is any other party member that would have filled up the companion slot. Which isn't to say that this might be a lot, just important to point out that it is not something done at no cost.

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In Exile wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...
1) More options is always good. Dont want an elven romance? Good, thats why they should put in a human or dwarf romance. Want an elf romance? Good, that option should be there too.
Nobody should attack the idea of an option, unless that option will take away choices for you. And this will not be the case. There is no way there wont be a human romance option (imo). So there is no reason to fear an elven female romance option. Because it is just that. AN OPTION!


Romance zots are not infinite. To have a romanceable character, you first have to have an appropriate party-member. So the writing team has to write a female elf. Then, there has to be a sensible plot-hook for them to be in the party. Then, independent characterization and VO. A companion quest. Then, finally, the romance culmination.

So take DA:O as an example. If you write a character like Sten, and potentially wanted to have him as a romance option, you'd really plausibly only need a bit more dialogue (given how romances worked in DA:O). But if you wanted a female elf romance, you would first need a female elf companion.

Essentially, the cost of an elven female option is any other party member that would have filled up the companion slot. Which isn't to say that this might be a lot, just important to point out that it is not something done at no cost.


not all romances need to be with party members, how about npc romances like with anora or the city elf's husband/wife?

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

not all romances need to be with party members, how about npc romances like with anora or the city elf's husband/wife?


And how would a romance with a non group member work? She or he wouldn't even know, whar Hawke is doing or has done they couldn't react to it, they wouldn't interact with the world and so on. 

That would be a hollow romance in my opinion and I rather would not have something like this in the game.

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You guys won't give us a female/elf/romance because Hawke is to hairy for the epicness of the elves baldness. I have seen through this lie.

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Gerudan wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

not all romances need to be with party members, how about npc romances like with anora or the city elf's husband/wife?


And how would a romance with a non group member work? She or he wouldn't even know, whar Hawke is doing or has done they couldn't react to it, they wouldn't interact with the world and so on. 

That would be a hollow romance in my opinion and I rather would not have something like this in the game.


I feel like BioWare's tried non-party member romances.  Kelly Chambers, arguably Anora and city elf (though those take up all of five minutes), Aribeth, Aarin Gend...generally, they seem pretty bleh to me at this point.  Though that may also be a produce of me personally not LIKING most of those characters other than Kelly and Nelaros :D