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[ZombieGambit]

The walkways in the derelict Reaper were built by Cerberus, but considering the fact that the Reapers are a mix of organic and synthetic life it's plausible that they can alter their shapes to accommodate a crew. A Cerberus log mentioned an object coming out of a spot in the wall and that it could be made out of micro-robots (forgot the word they used).

[Aradace]

ZombieGambit wrote...

The walkways in the derelict Reaper were built by Cerberus, but considering the fact that the Reapers are a mix of organic and synthetic life it's plausible that they can alter their shapes to accommodate a crew. A Cerberus log mentioned an object coming out of a spot in the wall and that it could be made out of micro-robots (forgot the word they used).

Micro robots? Must be nano-machines or nanites?

[Halfdan The Menace]

Could be an ancient race before the Protheans (the one that shot the derelict Reaper),Protheans are Collectors (their genetics are changed by the Reapers) and machines cant create themself! and funny Mass Effect didnt even mention some real-life extraterrestrials,the Greys or some lizard "people"(the Reptilians)...

[major_threat]

Aradace wrote...

WarLorD BoVaTRoN wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

the reapers were created out of thin air and magic according to bioware's plotholes. they're older than the universe itself.

thats what they say because the truth is quite obviously beyond us mortals. reapers would view humans as bacterial nutrients. would you bother with the details when telling your dinner how your day was...?

Depending on my current level of sanity, I just MAY....If anything talking to your dinner as you're eating it would certainly raise a few eyebrows.

@Future - So when you play a game, read a book, watch a movie, if all the information about something isnt handed to you on a silver platter than its a plothole/ fantasy? If they werent mysterious the game would be less fun. Get some imagination.

[Vash3283]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

the reapers were created out of thin air and magic according to bioware's plotholes. they're older than the universe itself.

Talk about a fail troll, Reapers are not older then the universe.

[Renaikan]

Vash3283 wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

the reapers were created out of thin air and magic according to bioware's plotholes. they're older than the universe itself.

Talk about a fail troll, Reapers are not older then the universe.

Who is to say they aren't? For all we know the Reapers created the Universe. Sort of like a farmer who creates his field, plants his seeds, and harvests his crop every harvest season. Sound familiar?

[Phaedon]

Maybe I wasn't clear in the OP, but it is interesting how in both games when you view inside a Reaper you see rooms. They are not just empty vessels, they have rooms. Now, I have to admit that the theory that Cerberus built the interiors inside the derelict Reaper makes sense, but what about the scene in ME1 right after using the beacon ?

[Raith Mano]

If you pay attention in the derelict reaper, there are Cerberus logo's all over their built superstructure. I think, but I'm not sure, once you get to the point where you're fighting the husks and scions that there are no longer logos all over it. Furthermore, in ME1 Sovereign had rooms and floors, and I highly doubt Saren had installed them. When Sovereign was discovered it was classified as a "ship" by the discovery team. (Read the first book)

[Phaedon]

If you pay attention in the derelict reaper, there are Cerberus logo's all over their built superstructure. I think, but I'm not sure, once you get to the point where you're fighting the husks and scions that there are no longer logos all over it.

That's why I think that the theory that Cerberus installed them makes sense. But I completely agree with you.

[Heavensrun]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

the reapers are liars... the protheans are probably way older than them

Nooooo, the prothean VI on Ilos in the first game -tells- you that the reapers built the mass relays, and the protheans just discovered them.  The cycle of extinction runs -far- further back than the prothean race does.  The aforementioned reaper you board was incapacitated/killed before the protheans had even evolved.

[Tazzmission]

TheShadowmancer wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i was playing with a thought that the collectors can be protheans and they themselves created the reapers, and heck maybe they genetecly altered themselves

What in the world is the point of that? Making themselves slaves and then alerting the people they are going to reap with vigil. It does not make sense

controll over its own people sounds pretty darn good if you think of it, hell look at the illusive man and what he has done with paul grayson, whos to say humans are not doing that?

[WarLorD BoVaTRoN]

Renaikan wrote...

Vash3283 wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

the reapers were created out of thin air and magic according to bioware's plotholes. they're older than the universe itself.

Talk about a fail troll, Reapers are not older then the universe.

Who is to say they aren't? For all we know the Reapers created the Universe. Sort of like a farmer who creates his field, plants his seeds, and harvests his crop every harvest season. Sound familiar?

i like the idea, but maybe they aren't the farmers, they are the interstellar locust plague...

[Inquisitor Recon]

If they created the universe why the hell would they bother harvesting it, and for what? If they can create matter out of thin air what would they need to harvest? Stupid idea.



They are a bunch of stupid shellfish that need killing, if they don't want to explain their origins, I don't care, because I am going to kill them all anyway.

[Raith Mano]

Personally I think the reapers were created by the race they look like. ME2 says that the reapers require a biological component and they must have have biological creators and the reapers got away from things.



They were probably created by an ancient race long ago and used as hyper-intelligent warships with the indoctrination as one of their primary uses of force. To destroy an enemy isn't the way to go, you have to break their will and subjugate them to your will.

[Angel-Shinkiro]

You guys do remember that no spoilers are allowed on this forum rite?

[KainrycKarr]

I think they were created and pulled a Skynet, tbh. I mean come on...the end boss in the game should make it pretty obvious.

[WarLorD BoVaTRoN]

ReconTeam wrote...

If they created the universe why the hell would they bother harvesting it, and for what? If they can create matter out of thin air what would they need to harvest? Stupid idea.

They are a bunch of stupid shellfish that need killing, if they don't want to explain their origins, I don't care, because I am going to kill them all anyway.

i dont think they created the universe, i think they reached the peak of bio/tech evolution.

and in the end your spot on @recon, lets get to tha killing!!!

[krownhunter07]

**Not sure if this is a spoiler, but don't read if you don't want to know**



What we know;



1) Reapers are a melding of organic and synthetic life.



2) They are of one body, many minds (a nation unto themselves)



3) They (or some of them, anyways) believe they are the pinnacle of organic evolution.



4) It takes millions (at the least) of organics to create one Reaper, and they take a general form of the organics used in creation.



5) Some organics are less suited to be used in their creation (i.e. no Prothen Reapers and the need for collectors to 'test' different species).



6) They are compelled to ‘harvest’ only advanced, spacefaring species.



7) They believe they are our ‘salvation’ through destruction.

There is a lot more I could add, but I’d like to see what others have thought of, so I’ll get to my theories now.



*What I think all this points to*

Millions of years ago (37 million at least) a very advanced, spacefaring species was technologically beyond anything seen before or after their time.

They created the Mass Relays, discovered Element Zero and its uses in FTL travel, etc… The one thing they could not do, regardless of the technology, was cheat death (i.e., extend their lives in their physical bodies).

They started to assimilate their genetic makeup into synthetic vessels (bodies). Maybe they started with individuals, maybe they started in groups (a hive-mind species to begin with?), but in the end they created the first Reaper with willing subjects afraid of death.

Reapers weren’t their end, they were a new beginning… but not all of their species was in agreement, and in the end the Reapers saw the need for them to force the rest of them to comply, hence beginning the ‘cycle of extinction.

I could go into more detail, but let’s see what you all have to say about this.

Oh, one more thing, Reapers require species with adaptable DNA and element zero exposure, which is why they wait for spacefaring species and won’t or can’t use every species.

[Phaedon]

Spuudle wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I thought all the walkways you traversed during the IFF mission were quite obviously fabricated by Cerberus' research team.

I dunno, it looks like it was built in the first place imho.

I thought 'Proof', was matter of fact, and not opinion?

Good point. Can I change the title of the thread ?

[Phaedon]

*What I think all this points to*



Millions of years ago (37 million at least) a very advanced, spacefaring species was technologically beyond anything seen before or after their time.



They created the Mass Relays, discovered Element Zero and its uses in FTL travel, etc… The one thing they could not do, regardless of the technology, was cheat death (i.e., extend their lives in their physical bodies).



They started to assimilate their genetic makeup into synthetic vessels (bodies). Maybe they started with individuals, maybe they started in groups (a hive-mind species to begin with?), but in the end they created the first Reaper with willing subjects afraid of death.



Reapers weren’t their end, they were a new beginning… but not all of their species was in agreement, and in the end the Reapers saw the need for them to force the rest of them to comply, hence beginning the ‘cycle of extinction.



I could go into more detail, but let’s see what you all have to say about this.



Oh, one more thing, Reapers require species with adaptable DNA and element zero exposure, which is why they wait for spacefaring species and won’t or can’t use every species.

I like your theory and I think that something like that happenned. But why are there floors and chairs ? Is it possible that a few people stayed behind to navigate the Reaper(s) until they died ?

And what about the Reapers' intelligence ? If it's not AI, then it can't be from the spieces that are used as organic matter. Not only their brains have melted, but why would they want to continue destroying civilizations and not fight back against the rest of the Reapers ?

[Archereon]

Phaedon wrote...

*What I think all this points to*

Millions of years ago (37 million at least) a very advanced, spacefaring species was technologically beyond anything seen before or after their time.

They created the Mass Relays, discovered Element Zero and its uses in FTL travel, etc… The one thing they could not do, regardless of the technology, was cheat death (i.e., extend their lives in their physical bodies).

They started to assimilate their genetic makeup into synthetic vessels (bodies). Maybe they started with individuals, maybe they started in groups (a hive-mind species to begin with?), but in the end they created the first Reaper with willing subjects afraid of death.

Reapers weren’t their end, they were a new beginning… but not all of their species was in agreement, and in the end the Reapers saw the need for them to force the rest of them to comply, hence beginning the ‘cycle of extinction.

I could go into more detail, but let’s see what you all have to say about this.

Oh, one more thing, Reapers require species with adaptable DNA and element zero exposure, which is why they wait for spacefaring species and won’t or can’t use every species.

I like your theory and I think that something like that happenned. But why are there floors and chairs ? Is it possible that a few people stayed behind to navigate the Reaper(s) until they died ?
And what about the Reapers' intelligence ? If it's not AI, then it can't be from the spieces that are used as organic matter. Not only their brains have melted, but why would they want to continue destroying civilizations and not fight back against the rest of the Reapers ?

Ever heard of the hypothetical technology called mind uploading.

My theory is that the Reapers are a post singularity civilization, possibly the first or one of the first civilizations to rise in the galaxy, that reached that above point in technology, thereby transcending their organic bodies.  As certain more pessimistic astronomers predicted about extraterrestrial civilizations, the Reapers came to the conclusion that any other lifeform that could reach their level of technology is a potential threat to their existence, and so they periodically cull all advanced civilization in the galaxy. 

The reason for leaving the Mass Relays is to ensure civilizations develop along predictable technological avenues, the same ones the Reapers themselves developed on, making it all the easier to complete the cycle.  Whenever a species deviates from the pattern, developing unforseen technology, defeating the current Vanguard, or developing at an unexpected pace, the Reapers assimilate the species into their own, uploading the conciousnesses of large numbers of their victims into a Reaper body. 

However, the Reaper method of mind uploading is not compatible with all species.  Obviously a species with an atypical brain archetecture, or even one without a centralized nervous system or other such atanomical quirks might be unusable.  Still hoping to improve their own species by absorbing the deviant traits of their victim species, incompatible races are instead turned into collector like husks...



Now for the presence of walkable decks and chairs on Reapers.  We've only seen 2, and from the looks of things, they like to make use of species' that can be tricked into serving them in their operations, such as the Krogan and Geth.

Modifié par Archereon, 02 septembre 2010 - 06:41 .

[Phaedon]

Archereon wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

*What I think all this points to*

Millions of years ago (37 million at least) a very advanced, spacefaring species was technologically beyond anything seen before or after their time.

They created the Mass Relays, discovered Element Zero and its uses in FTL travel, etc… The one thing they could not do, regardless of the technology, was cheat death (i.e., extend their lives in their physical bodies).

They started to assimilate their genetic makeup into synthetic vessels (bodies). Maybe they started with individuals, maybe they started in groups (a hive-mind species to begin with?), but in the end they created the first Reaper with willing subjects afraid of death.

Reapers weren’t their end, they were a new beginning… but not all of their species was in agreement, and in the end the Reapers saw the need for them to force the rest of them to comply, hence beginning the ‘cycle of extinction.

I could go into more detail, but let’s see what you all have to say about this.

Oh, one more thing, Reapers require species with adaptable DNA and element zero exposure, which is why they wait for spacefaring species and won’t or can’t use every species.

I like your theory and I think that something like that happenned. But why are there floors and chairs ? Is it possible that a few people stayed behind to navigate the Reaper(s) until they died ?
And what about the Reapers' intelligence ? If it's not AI, then it can't be from the spieces that are used as organic matter. Not only their brains have melted, but why would they want to continue destroying civilizations and not fight back against the rest of the Reapers ?

Ever heard of the hypothetical technology called mind uploading.

My theory is that the Reapers are a post singularity civilization, possibly the first or one of the first civilizations to rise in the galaxy, that reached that above point in technology, thereby transcending their organic bodies.  As certain more pessimistic astronomers predicted about extraterrestrial civilizations, the Reapers came to the conclusion that any other lifeform that could reach their level of technology is a potential threat to their existence, and so they periodically cull all advanced civilization in the galaxy. 

The reason for leaving the Mass Relays is to ensure civilizations develop along predictable technological avenues, the same ones the Reapers themselves developed on, making it all the easier to complete the cycle.  Whenever a species deviates from the pattern, developing unforseen technology, defeating the current Vanguard, or developing at an unexpected pace, the Reapers assimilate the species into their own, uploading the conciousnesses of large numbers of their victims into a Reaper body. 

However, the Reaper method of mind uploading is not compatible with all species.  Obviously a species with an atypical brain archetecture, or even one without a centralized nervous system or other such atanomical quirks might be unusable.  Still hoping to improve their own species by absorbing the deviant traits of their victim species, incompatible races are instead turned into collector like husks...



Now for the presence of walkable decks and chairs on Reapers.  We've only seen 2, and from the looks of things, they like to make use of species' that can be tricked into serving them in their operations, such as the Krogan and Geth.

We know that mind uploading exists in the ME universe, and the ghost ship saga might be forshadowing, but I don't think that the Reapers upload the minds of the spieces that they assimilate. Why would, for example humans, follow the rest of the reapers and kill every advanced organic life in the galaxy ? Duplicating the uploaded tech from the first Reaper wouldn't work either, since each one them is a 'nation'.

[krownhunter07]

Phaedon wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

*What I think all this points to*

Millions of years ago (37 million at least) a very advanced, spacefaring species was technologically beyond anything seen before or after their time.

They created the Mass Relays, discovered Element Zero and its uses in FTL travel, etc… The one thing they could not do, regardless of the technology, was cheat death (i.e., extend their lives in their physical bodies).

They started to assimilate their genetic makeup into synthetic vessels (bodies). Maybe they started with individuals, maybe they started in groups (a hive-mind species to begin with?), but in the end they created the first Reaper with willing subjects afraid of death.

Reapers weren’t their end, they were a new beginning… but not all of their species was in agreement, and in the end the Reapers saw the need for them to force the rest of them to comply, hence beginning the ‘cycle of extinction.

I could go into more detail, but let’s see what you all have to say about this.

Oh, one more thing, Reapers require species with adaptable DNA and element zero exposure, which is why they wait for spacefaring species and won’t or can’t use every species.

I like your theory and I think that something like that happenned. But why are there floors and chairs ? Is it possible that a few people stayed behind to navigate the Reaper(s) until they died ?
And what about the Reapers' intelligence ? If it's not AI, then it can't be from the spieces that are used as organic matter. Not only their brains have melted, but why would they want to continue destroying civilizations and not fight back against the rest of the Reapers ?

Ever heard of the hypothetical technology called mind uploading.

My theory is that the Reapers are a post singularity civilization, possibly the first or one of the first civilizations to rise in the galaxy, that reached that above point in technology, thereby transcending their organic bodies.  As certain more pessimistic astronomers predicted about extraterrestrial civilizations, the Reapers came to the conclusion that any other lifeform that could reach their level of technology is a potential threat to their existence, and so they periodically cull all advanced civilization in the galaxy. 

The reason for leaving the Mass Relays is to ensure civilizations develop along predictable technological avenues, the same ones the Reapers themselves developed on, making it all the easier to complete the cycle.  Whenever a species deviates from the pattern, developing unforseen technology, defeating the current Vanguard, or developing at an unexpected pace, the Reapers assimilate the species into their own, uploading the conciousnesses of large numbers of their victims into a Reaper body. 

However, the Reaper method of mind uploading is not compatible with all species.  Obviously a species with an atypical brain archetecture, or even one without a centralized nervous system or other such atanomical quirks might be unusable.  Still hoping to improve their own species by absorbing the deviant traits of their victim species, incompatible races are instead turned into collector like husks...



Now for the presence of walkable decks and chairs on Reapers.  We've only seen 2, and from the looks of things, they like to make use of species' that can be tricked into serving them in their operations, such as the Krogan and Geth.

We know that mind uploading exists in the ME universe, and the ghost ship saga might be forshadowing, but I don't think that the Reapers upload the minds of the spieces that they assimilate. Why would, for example humans, follow the rest of the reapers and kill every advanced organic life in the galaxy ? Duplicating the uploaded tech from the first Reaper wouldn't work either, since each one them is a 'nation'.

This ties into the hive-mind idea... personally; I think each person used in a Reaper's creation adds to the collective conciseness of it. Millions of 'minds' in one, which in turn have communion with all other Reapers (the same way Reapers can 'share' minds with the indoctrinated).

This hive-mind-set of Reapers is what makes the other (newer) Reapers see their way as logical and right.

Hmmm, that would also help explain how Reapers can indoctrinate in the first place...

[Phaedon]

Hmm... maybe if Shephard destroys Harbringer, who may be the first Reaper to be created, the hive mind will fail ?