The mind uploading of victims thing would also explain why Harbinger refers to itself as "we" and Sovereign as "I", Sovereign could have been one of the original Reapers (who, in my theory, had already augmented their intellect through technology to the point where it was unnecessary to upload multiple members of their species into a single Reaper), while Harbinger was an assimilated race.
Proof that the Reapers didn't create themselves or evolve into what they are now.
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#52
Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 12:22
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So the theory is pretty much that an ancient race felt like they should leave their organic bodies behind and upload their minds and organic substance into some Reapers. They considered other races to be a threat to the galaxy (perhaps disrupt it's harmony). They assimilated some races, and used some that weren't compatible as slaves, like the Keepers and the Protheans. These slaves created more Reapers, and to attrack more allies they even built rooms inside the Reapers. If this theory is right though, then Sovereign couldn't have been one of the original Reapers.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 01:19
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How so?
Also note, I believe they do the cycle through a (false) since of altruism and self rectification.
They were created (or evolved, you could say) as the next and final step in their species evolution. They truly believe that what they do is for the betterment of compatible species.
All IMO, of course.
Also note, I believe they do the cycle through a (false) since of altruism and self rectification.
They were created (or evolved, you could say) as the next and final step in their species evolution. They truly believe that what they do is for the betterment of compatible species.
All IMO, of course.
#54
Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 01:31
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Maybe Reapers don't have walkways or corridors and instead the things you walked down in the IFF mission are some sort of gigantic veins or a spinal collum?
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 01:36
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It's quite possible that the first reaper doesn't have the interiors and simply started including them in the latest reaper builds.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 04:20
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Phaedon wrote...
So the theory is pretty much that an ancient race felt like they should leave their organic bodies behind and upload their minds and organic substance into some Reapers. They considered other races to be a threat to the galaxy (perhaps disrupt it's harmony). They assimilated some races, and used some that weren't compatible as slaves, like the Keepers and the Protheans. These slaves created more Reapers, and to attrack more allies they even built rooms inside the Reapers. If this theory is right though, then Sovereign couldn't have been one of the original Reapers.
Its possible the Reapers are able to modify themselves in a process analogous to cybernetic enhancement in organic races.
#57
Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 06:46
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krownhunter07 wrote...
How so?
Sovereign had rooms in it's interior.
Archereon wrote...
Phaedon wrote...
So the theory is pretty much that an ancient race felt like they should leave their organic bodies behind and upload their minds and organic substance into some Reapers. They considered other races to be a threat to the galaxy (perhaps disrupt it's harmony). They assimilated some races, and used some that weren't compatible as slaves, like the Keepers and the Protheans. These slaves created more Reapers, and to attrack more allies they even built rooms inside the Reapers. If this theory is right though, then Sovereign couldn't have been one of the original Reapers.
Its possible the Reapers are able to modify themselves in a process analogous to cybernetic enhancement in organic races.
I don' think so. If they were able to do so, why did they need the collectors to build the human Reaper ?
#58
Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 07:28
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Phaedon wrote...
They have interiors with multiple floors on which you can actually walk. You see these stuff in both games.
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What are your theories concerning this fact ?
Reaper indoctrination works best inside a Reaper. The multiple floors on which you can actually walk are for the indoctrinated plus the husks and scions that provide the internal defense forces.
After all, Saren had to have someplace to sit.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 07:48
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Thompson family wrote...
Phaedon wrote...
They have interiors with multiple floors on which you can actually walk. You see these stuff in both games.
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What are your theories concerning this fact ?
Reaper indoctrination works best inside a Reaper. The multiple floors on which you can actually walk are for the indoctrinated plus the husks and scions that provide the internal defense forces.
After all, Saren had to have someplace to sit.
So, someone created them. Why would there be floors otherwise ? In fact, only the fact that part of them are synthetic means that someone created them or evolved into them. The presence of rooms proves (imho) that they didn't evolve into what they are now.
#60
Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 08:08
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I have proofs, chickes fly. Is the year 4556, and earth was destroyed by an asteroid. We found bones of chickens which shows feathers, leads us to believe, that ONE, one in a thousand different variables, is all it takes for the entire galaxy to come to the conclusion that indeed, chickens flew....
Basing on the floors inside, we dont know, automated robots? for them to be able to repair?, storage?, what we call "hall ways" actually serve a prpose?, amplify indoctrinated signal, by being a certain shape?, having hollow places, makes them tougher to kinetic impacts.
Who knows.
Basing on the floors inside, we dont know, automated robots? for them to be able to repair?, storage?, what we call "hall ways" actually serve a prpose?, amplify indoctrinated signal, by being a certain shape?, having hollow places, makes them tougher to kinetic impacts.
Who knows.
#61
Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 08:19
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Lets face it... Mass Effect centers on the milky way....The reapers are probablly not native to our galaxy...and who created them, or how they evolved outside of our galaxy is irrelevent, as we won't find the answers within our own galaxy.
It's likely they are to us as the martians were to HG wells readers... totally alien invaders.
It's likely they are to us as the martians were to HG wells readers... totally alien invaders.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 08:39
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It's interesting how walkways turn into a reason against evolvement of the reapers. For me it has been evident that at least the first reaper has been created, because of their very nature.
I'm not saying a machine which reaches a sufficient level of intelligence couldn't go on improving itself. But how did it get there? There's no need to debate how organic matter can evolve, but a heep of metal and silicium won't start to improve itself.
Perhaps the reapers were once an organic race which "uploaded" itself in machines, perhaps they were designed to serve before they became conscious and overthrew their masters. The thing is, they could never admit to that, because it means that at one point they have been dependand to organic creatures. When sovereign angrily claims the reapers have always been, I get the impression the fact of their creation is something they would really like to forget, but can't.
I'm not saying a machine which reaches a sufficient level of intelligence couldn't go on improving itself. But how did it get there? There's no need to debate how organic matter can evolve, but a heep of metal and silicium won't start to improve itself.
Perhaps the reapers were once an organic race which "uploaded" itself in machines, perhaps they were designed to serve before they became conscious and overthrew their masters. The thing is, they could never admit to that, because it means that at one point they have been dependand to organic creatures. When sovereign angrily claims the reapers have always been, I get the impression the fact of their creation is something they would really like to forget, but can't.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 08:54
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Phaedon wrote...
krownhunter07 wrote...
How so?
Sovereign had rooms in it's interior.Archereon wrote...
Phaedon wrote...
So the theory is pretty much that an ancient race felt like they should leave their organic bodies behind and upload their minds and organic substance into some Reapers. They considered other races to be a threat to the galaxy (perhaps disrupt it's harmony). They assimilated some races, and used some that weren't compatible as slaves, like the Keepers and the Protheans. These slaves created more Reapers, and to attrack more allies they even built rooms inside the Reapers. If this theory is right though, then Sovereign couldn't have been one of the original Reapers.
Its possible the Reapers are able to modify themselves in a process analogous to cybernetic enhancement in organic races.
I don' think so. If they were able to do so, why did they need the collectors to build the human Reaper ?
They might not be able to do it just out of nowhere, they might have to go to port and get some slaves to do it for them, but its implied that they're able to modify themselves. And besides, they might have just built their bodies to accomodate slaves and internal defenses, if my theory is correct, then the Reapers were originally an organic species.
