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[th3warr1or]

Ajyk wrote...

The level cap is impossible to reach through normal playing. What's the big deal?

No it's not. Do every quest, find every Codex and kill everyone, and you get lvl 25 BEFORE archdemon.

[BonafideSeraphim]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Cry? Yes, I'm crying by being annoyed that we were blatantly lied to by many developers and by the manual.

God forbid we expect them to actually be honest about something extremely simple...or, you know, actually be given information about the game. Horrible manual, no technical information about skills, spells, damage, etc..., poorly written descriptions, complete lack of knowledge about how long stuns last, how spells scale to your level, and many other things.

If they weren't honest about this...what about the more complex issues that we'd been given questionable reasons for?

I love the game, I really do. I've already got 30 something hours into...but I don't take kindly to being outright lied to.

EDIT: And while I can't confirm it...I do expect it's possible to reach level 25 on a legit playthrough with some grinding and lots of wasted money...that's entirely beside the point though.

Wow you cry a lot. I mean if u just use those things called eyes u can tell how long someone is stunned. if u knew if it were 3 or 5 seconds is that going to save your life. DO you pause & go well I'm 11ft from him my char can travel 2 feet a second, he's stunned for 5.67 seconds according to the book of all knowledge...can I make it! You could just not complain & enjoy the game oh & not cheat or use console commands & enjoy the game.

Wow you suck at understanding posts.

And you really don't think that's a valid complaint? One that literally every single person I've seen except you has had. You think it's ok that descriptions in many cases lead you to believe talents do entire different things than they actually do? You think it's ok that Arrow of Slaying's description makes it out to be the exact same thing as Critical Shot? That makes sense to you?

Also, I'm not cheating but it's laughable that you would tell me how to play MY game.

So, either find something relevant or useful to say or be quiet.

[Dragon Age1103]

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Cry? Yes, I'm crying by being annoyed that we were blatantly lied to by many developers and by the manual.

God forbid we expect them to actually be honest about something extremely simple...or, you know, actually be given information about the game. Horrible manual, no technical information about skills, spells, damage, etc..., poorly written descriptions, complete lack of knowledge about how long stuns last, how spells scale to your level, and many other things.

If they weren't honest about this...what about the more complex issues that we'd been given questionable reasons for?

I love the game, I really do. I've already got 30 something hours into...but I don't take kindly to being outright lied to.

EDIT: And while I can't confirm it...I do expect it's possible to reach level 25 on a legit playthrough with some grinding and lots of wasted money...that's entirely beside the point though.

Wow you cry a lot. I mean if u just use those things called eyes u can tell how long someone is stunned. if u knew if it were 3 or 5 seconds is that going to save your life. DO you pause & go well I'm 11ft from him my char can travel 2 feet a second, he's stunned for 5.67 seconds according to the book of all knowledge...can I make it! You could just not complain & enjoy the game oh & not cheat or use console commands & enjoy the game.

Wow you suck at understanding posts.

And you really don't think that's a valid complaint? One that literally every single person I've seen except you has had. You think it's ok that descriptions in many cases lead you to believe talents do entire different things than they actually do? You think it's ok that Arrow of Slaying's description makes it out to be the exact same thing as Critical Shot? That makes sense to you?

Also, I'm not cheating but it's laughable that you would tell me how to play MY game.

So, either find something relevant or useful to say or be quiet.

I'm NOT even reading or attempting to understand. I'm trying
to get a message across. STOP CRYING. If you don't like it then just don’t
play the game but for the love of Ferelden stop crying about it. In certain
contexts anything & everything can or can not be considered a lie.just stop crying kid. Get over it or don't play.

Modifié par Dragon Age1103, 11 novembre 2009 - 11:37 .

[BonafideSeraphim]

Suron wrote...

and this matters how? there SHOULD be a cap...I'm already picking talents (trap making/herb/poison/etc) that I don't really want or need on my chars because there's not enough choices or variety...

same with main ability/spells...the limited choices can only take you so far...

so what if you COULD hit lvl 99 if back at lvl 35 you had every skill/ability/and spell possible on your sheet.

But there always has to be the idiots that jump on the "X company LIED" bandwagon..no matter how idiotic or meaningless the reason they found is.

and as I said if yer gonna be disappointed in something be so in the lack of skills...because there certainly isn't enough if there wasn't some kind of cap.

so go join the crowd of people that MUST find something to **** about a company...but if you think this cap thing has any bearing or deserves any kind of emotional response then I'd hate to see how you react to something that does deserve it..you'd probably jump off a building

I'm an idiot because you're ok with being lied to? That makes a lot of sense.

And believe me, if I wanted to find something to complain about, I wouldn't have to look hard. Dragon Age is an awesome and incredibly fun but very flawed game. The QA/bug testing they did has so far proven itself to be crap, the graphics are outdated(though, honestly, this doesn't bother me), the explanations for what skills/talents/spells do are extremely lacking, we've been given next to know information on how the combat system works, the game appears to have not been balanced at all, and many many more questionable design choices.

[Dragon Age1103]

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Suron wrote...

and this matters how? there SHOULD be a cap...I'm already picking talents (trap making/herb/poison/etc) that I don't really want or need on my chars because there's not enough choices or variety...

same with main ability/spells...the limited choices can only take you so far...

so what if you COULD hit lvl 99 if back at lvl 35 you had every skill/ability/and spell possible on your sheet.

But there always has to be the idiots that jump on the "X company LIED" bandwagon..no matter how idiotic or meaningless the reason they found is.

and as I said if yer gonna be disappointed in something be so in the lack of skills...because there certainly isn't enough if there wasn't some kind of cap.

so go join the crowd of people that MUST find something to **** about a company...but if you think this cap thing has any bearing or deserves any kind of emotional response then I'd hate to see how you react to something that does deserve it..you'd probably jump off a building

I'm an idiot because you're ok with being lied to? That makes a lot of sense.

And believe me, if I wanted to find something to complain about, I wouldn't have to look hard. Dragon Age is an awesome and incredibly fun but very flawed game. The QA/bug testing they did has so far proven itself to be crap, the graphics are outdated(though, honestly, this doesn't bother me), the explanations for what skills/talents/spells do are extremely lacking, we've been given next to know information on how the combat system works, the game appears to have not been balanced at all, and many many more questionable design choices.

wow kid, jsut get off it already. all u do is cry about one thing they LIED!!!! AHH maybe if you were a man & didnt cheat then u could play the game as it was meant ot be played. If you focused more on NOT crying & playing maybe your char wouldn't be so terrible or you wouldn't be so terrible at the game & u wouldn't have to cheat. U actually respond to me when I read only the 1st 3 words of all your posts I stop when u start to cry like a baby & blurt out LIE one more time.

[BonafideSeraphim]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Are people certain they said there would be no level caps? I feel that there is some misunderstanding here, as I was led to believe that they meant that there would be no caps on stats. In order to prevent players from becoming super specialists many devs will apply caps to stats in order to stop players from piling all their points into one, either by applying hard caps (stats can never go above a certain level no matter what, though it's often determined by level) or soft caps (players can keep piling points into stats but the benefits to do so get less and less, so you end up having to spend more points for less of a gain). I understand that DA:O doesn't have caps to the stats, so that might be where the confusion has come from.

As for the level cap, I thought it was capped at 20 so knowing that it's at 25 is like an increase to me!

We were continuously told that there would be no hard level cap and no maximum level  but there would be a soft cap and that most players would be between 18-21 by the time they finished the game.

It even states in the manual that there's no hard cap...but there is.

[BonafideSeraphim]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Cry? Yes, I'm crying by being annoyed that we were blatantly lied to by many developers and by the manual.

God forbid we expect them to actually be honest about something extremely simple...or, you know, actually be given information about the game. Horrible manual, no technical information about skills, spells, damage, etc..., poorly written descriptions, complete lack of knowledge about how long stuns last, how spells scale to your level, and many other things.

If they weren't honest about this...what about the more complex issues that we'd been given questionable reasons for?

I love the game, I really do. I've already got 30 something hours into...but I don't take kindly to being outright lied to.

EDIT: And while I can't confirm it...I do expect it's possible to reach level 25 on a legit playthrough with some grinding and lots of wasted money...that's entirely beside the point though.

Wow you cry a lot. I mean if u just use those things called eyes u can tell how long someone is stunned. if u knew if it were 3 or 5 seconds is that going to save your life. DO you pause & go well I'm 11ft from him my char can travel 2 feet a second, he's stunned for 5.67 seconds according to the book of all knowledge...can I make it! You could just not complain & enjoy the game oh & not cheat or use console commands & enjoy the game.

Wow you suck at understanding posts.

And you really don't think that's a valid complaint? One that literally every single person I've seen except you has had. You think it's ok that descriptions in many cases lead you to believe talents do entire different things than they actually do? You think it's ok that Arrow of Slaying's description makes it out to be the exact same thing as Critical Shot? That makes sense to you?

Also, I'm not cheating but it's laughable that you would tell me how to play MY game.

So, either find something relevant or useful to say or be quiet.

I'm NOT even reading or attempting to understand. I'm trying
to get a message across. STOP CRYING. If you don't like it then just don’t
play the game but for the love of Ferelden stop crying about it. In certain
contexts anything & everything can or can not be considered a lie.just stop crying kid. Get over it or don't play.

So basically, you admit to having no idea what I've said and aren't even capable of understanding what I've said even if you'd bothered to find out.

Good to know. At least you own up to it.

Modifié par BonafideSeraphim, 11 novembre 2009 - 11:51 .

[Suron]

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Suron wrote...

and this matters how? there SHOULD be a cap...I'm already picking talents (trap making/herb/poison/etc) that I don't really want or need on my chars because there's not enough choices or variety...

same with main ability/spells...the limited choices can only take you so far...

so what if you COULD hit lvl 99 if back at lvl 35 you had every skill/ability/and spell possible on your sheet.

But there always has to be the idiots that jump on the "X company LIED" bandwagon..no matter how idiotic or meaningless the reason they found is.

and as I said if yer gonna be disappointed in something be so in the lack of skills...because there certainly isn't enough if there wasn't some kind of cap.

so go join the crowd of people that MUST find something to **** about a company...but if you think this cap thing has any bearing or deserves any kind of emotional response then I'd hate to see how you react to something that does deserve it..you'd probably jump off a building

I'm an idiot because you're ok with being lied to? That makes a lot of sense.

And believe me, if I wanted to find something to complain about, I wouldn't have to look hard. Dragon Age is an awesome and incredibly fun but very flawed game. The QA/bug testing they did has so far proven itself to be crap, the graphics are outdated(though, honestly, this doesn't bother me), the explanations for what skills/talents/spells do are extremely lacking, we've been given next to know information on how the combat system works, the game appears to have not been balanced at all, and many many more questionable design choices.

So then answer why having a level cap matters when there's not enough variety/number of skills/powers/spells to warrent unlimited levels...I personally want a cap as there's no reason not to have one with the lack/limit in skills/etc you can get...I'm only around 20 and already giving poeple herbalism and crap I don't want them to have because there's so few to pick.

no fact is you're complaining to complain..you're the type that HAS to find SOME reason to be offended by a company..no matter how idiotic the reason is.

But continue on...

[zzenn]

I agree. The level cap should not have been advertised or mentioned as uncapped, when in fact you cannot go beyond 25.

I'm one of those crazy people that will grind random encounters for the heck of it, and of course to enjoy leveling too. It would suck to be limited at 25, since it means skill progression effectively ends there.
There are certainly plenty more skills that could be trained in - and why should that be limited? Maybe someone enjoys being a super strong character, instead of having to replay over and over again just to do different builds. I certainly know I'm one of those that prefer one character for the long haul instead of 5 short term.

I play as a mage and there are MANY skills I won't get to have at level 25.

First mod I want is one to uncap the ridiculous cap imposed by a drunken intern at bioware.

Modifié par zzenn, 11 novembre 2009 - 11:46 .

[BonafideSeraphim]

Suron wrote...

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Suron wrote...

and this matters how? there SHOULD be a cap...I'm already picking talents (trap making/herb/poison/etc) that I don't really want or need on my chars because there's not enough choices or variety...

same with main ability/spells...the limited choices can only take you so far...

so what if you COULD hit lvl 99 if back at lvl 35 you had every skill/ability/and spell possible on your sheet.

But there always has to be the idiots that jump on the "X company LIED" bandwagon..no matter how idiotic or meaningless the reason they found is.

and as I said if yer gonna be disappointed in something be so in the lack of skills...because there certainly isn't enough if there wasn't some kind of cap.

so go join the crowd of people that MUST find something to **** about a company...but if you think this cap thing has any bearing or deserves any kind of emotional response then I'd hate to see how you react to something that does deserve it..you'd probably jump off a building

I'm an idiot because you're ok with being lied to? That makes a lot of sense.

And believe me, if I wanted to find something to complain about, I wouldn't have to look hard. Dragon Age is an awesome and incredibly fun but very flawed game. The QA/bug testing they did has so far proven itself to be crap, the graphics are outdated(though, honestly, this doesn't bother me), the explanations for what skills/talents/spells do are extremely lacking, we've been given next to know information on how the combat system works, the game appears to have not been balanced at all, and many many more questionable design choices.

So then answer why having a level cap matters when there's not enough variety/number of skills/powers/spells to warrent unlimited levels...I personally want a cap as there's no reason not to have one with the lack/limit in skills/etc you can get...I'm only around 20 and already giving poeple herbalism and crap I don't want them to have because there's so few to pick.

no fact is you're complaining to complain..you're the type that HAS to find SOME reason to be offended by a company..no matter how idiotic the reason is.

But continue on...

I'll continue on only if you promise that you continue on being a mind reader who not only knows my intentions of this post but what type of person I am. It's quite amazing really.

EDIT: As to why it matters? It matters because they said there wasn't one and there is. That's a really poor showing from Bioware and brings into question the validity of some other questionable things we were told on the old forums before release.

And again, it's just simply rude and bad form if there's no reason behind it.

Modifié par BonafideSeraphim, 11 novembre 2009 - 11:48 .

[soteria]

I'm NOT even reading or attempting to understand. I'm trying

to get a message across. STOP CRYING. If you don't like it then just don’t

play the game but for the love of Ferelden stop crying about it. In certain

contexts anything & everything can or can not be considered a lie.just stop crying kid. Get over it or don't play.

Hence, your misunderstanding. If you haven't read anything, you're hardly qualified to talk about his crying. It's ironic that you call him "kid" but your posting makes you look like the kid.



But why am I posting? If you're not reading or trying to understand anything, you're obviously not interested in intelligent communication. Just flaming. Got it.

[Dragon Age1103]

ah yes more ppl crying! I don't read your posts b/c I DO NOT care I would just rather make u waste your time reading my posts as a small punishment for crying about such a brilliant game. Get over it or don't play. Bioware has set a very high bar for this genre & gave us countless hours of story to enjoy again & again but all anyone can do instead of suggestions or showing appreciation is complain. Before you all continue to cry about this why don;t you hit lv 25 WITHOUT cheating or commands then if u still feel cheated come back & cry. Let me check all your profiles real quick I'll count every last person who is a legit 25 oh wait...yeah...well i'm going to talk to fellow fans instead of a bunch of kids who can't stop crying

[Evilsod]

Wow this thread is just sad... a level cap of 25 (as if it matters, besides i thought it was 20), if your character isn't in a position to mutilate everything with a huge catalogue of skills, spells and talents then you fail at the game frankly.



Being dissapointed about not going higher is just... pathetic.

[Mordaedil]

Just because I'm slightly confused by the interchangeable terminology, what exactly does "Soft Level Cap" mean to you, BonafideSeraphim?

I think the confusion rose from that you were looking at this from the point of view of a player, not a designer. To a player, a soft level cap means that there are only so many enemies in the world and you'd "land in a net" of not getting enough experience to reach the highest level. To a designer, a soft level cap means an easy mathematically based integer session that can increased very easily by simple modification to the engine for access to the community to apply.

Most of the time, developers spoke to us using developer lingo. Why did you think that applied differently to level caps?



I also asked someone what they thought about this, and they replied "that's because you suck and we hate you all". So I guess being lied to is at least the smallest of insults.

[kongol36]

dang dragon age has already created alot of mindless fanboys... Sorta funny but sad at the same time.. AH well back to my unable to reach lvl 25 in one play thru and im already at 21 and still have 2 major story quests to finish.

[BonafideSeraphim]

Evilsod wrote...

Wow this thread is just sad... a level cap of 25 (as if it matters, besides i thought it was 20), if your character isn't in a position to mutilate everything with a huge catalogue of skills, spells and talents then you fail at the game frankly.

Being dissapointed about not going higher is just... pathetic.

Hey look! Someone else who can't read! The apparently rapidly expanding rate of illiterate people in the industrialized world is what's really pathetic.

[Mordaedil]

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

Hey look! Someone else who can't read! The apparently rapidly expanding rate of illiterate people in the industrialized world is what's really pathetic.

It'd be easier to have a real discussion if you didn't feel like falling for every troll attempt ever though.

Really, there's nothing for you to gain from replying to these people, they just want to start to get you to ramble so that the thread can get locked down for being too inflammatory.

[Errel]

Am a little disappointed by this. I would have loved to level a mage through various expansions and mods to eventually be godlike.

[zzenn]

Wait for the mod Errel. That'll set things right, and hopefully we can play in peace from all these mindless drooling fanboys who can't stop masturbating their online ego here.

[BonafideSeraphim]

zzenn wrote...

Wait for the mod Errel. That'll set things right, and hopefully we can play in peace from all these mindless drooling fanboys who can't stop masturbating their online ego here.

What about me? I'm neither drooling nor a fanboy. I don't really care about my online ego either. However, I am male and on a computer...so I'm most likely masturbating. And I am an arse with a superioity complex(that's why I respond to the trolls, I just like to let them know their place...not that I don't know what some of them are doing). It's just a real life one that extends to all aspects of my persona...even the online ones.

[BonafideSeraphim]

Mordaedil wrote...

Just because I'm slightly confused by the interchangeable terminology, what exactly does "Soft Level Cap" mean to you, BonafideSeraphim?
I think the confusion rose from that you were looking at this from the point of view of a player, not a designer. To a player, a soft level cap means that there are only so many enemies in the world and you'd "land in a net" of not getting enough experience to reach the highest level. To a designer, a soft level cap means an easy mathematically based integer session that can increased very easily by simple modification to the engine for access to the community to apply.
Most of the time, developers spoke to us using developer lingo. Why did you think that applied differently to level caps?

I also asked someone what they thought about this, and they replied "that's because you suck and we hate you all". So I guess being lied to is at least the smallest of insults.

In reference to how I saw it being used on the forums, I was seeing from the player side more than the developer's side. I'd seen it outright said many times that was no level cap but that you could expect to finish somewhere around 18-22.

If the developers were answering in that method, then it seems like they'd have been just misleading people honestly because, from the topics I saw at least, it was usually readily apparent what the posters were asking.

I'm not saying the developers necessarily did lie to us. I am saying that unless we get some clarification, that it's a definitely possibility. I just can't think of any reason for it and that's why I think there's got to be some real reason behind it.

[Ovietski]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Are people certain they said there would be no level caps? I feel that there is some misunderstanding here, as I was led to believe that they meant that there would be no caps on stats. In order to prevent players from becoming super specialists many devs will apply caps to stats in order to stop players from piling all their points into one, either by applying hard caps (stats can never go above a certain level no matter what, though it's often determined by level) or soft caps (players can keep piling points into stats but the benefits to do so get less and less, so you end up having to spend more points for less of a gain). I understand that DA:O doesn't have caps to the stats, so that might be where the confusion has come from.

As for the level cap, I thought it was capped at 20 so knowing that it's at 25 is like an increase to me!

This guy made an interesting point, Is his thoughts on there being no cap on stats right? I honostly am midly angry at them that they lied to us (or so we think) but I still love the game and don't care too much if some skills are broken or whatever. But, back to my question, IS THIS WHOLE THREAD A MISUNDERSTANDING OF CAPS ON STATS?

Your thoughts please......

[Titanmike357]

1) the game looks great.

2) the descriptions of spells and skills look fine to me.

3) No one lied to me about a level cap, mostly because I did not follow this game like a rabid animal, I knew I wanted it, so I went and bought it, I knew nothing about it besides the one fighting trailer I watched.

4) the story is great, one of the best I have gotten to play through.

5) people will and can find anything to cry about.



Really? crying over a level cap at 25? lied to or not, and by the way, I would love to see you back up what you are talking about by linking to a video or a post by a Bioware employee that says that.



I have got to level 15 or 16, 33+ hours, and I only have the mage tower left, then what ever is after that.

I am already putting points into skills and talents that I don't need simply because I already have everything I wanted.



Why B&M about a level cap at 25, when you can have pretty much any build you wanted by level 16? I have shield tree maxed on two guys, in massive armor, and now they are putting points into things I don't need.



Morgian is already so over powered its not funny, she can solo reds, and 2-3 other mobs, and my PC who is a S&S warrior can already take a orange solo.

[Durallan]

wow... just wow. I mean seriously? I am really glad I bought this game with absolutely no idea of what I would expect, otherwise I wouldn't be having fun, like I am.



I'll just say from what little I've read, it don't sound like theyve lied, if you think its that important, take it to a court and see what the judge thinks, at anyrate hopefully everyone else is enjoying the game



funny thing logic, Logically there should be a reason for everything, sometimes, there ain't. Is it really that important? It doesn't impact on gameplay, it doesn't impact on the game, what does it actually affect? I don't really see what the big problem you have is, unless you just winding everyone up for fun



Do you have quotable evidence that they have contradicted themselves? not that its important anyway buuut, yeah! thats it

[_ShadowHawk]

Heh heh... I haven't posted since Neverwinter Nights I think. Good to see nothing's changed.



And, since I've elected to stick my hand into this hornets' nest, a "hard" level cap -- if that's what was actually referred to by BioWare staff -- is one the game engine imposes. That means there's no getting around it unless you're into the game's compiled code; as in "wait for the next major expansion in a couple of years". That they mention there is no "hard" cap rather blatantly implies to a native speaker of the language that there is likely a "soft" one. If it's a text file entry (in a 2da) as someone else noted then any mod maker can change it to whatever is desired. Download the Tool set or open Notepad and make the cap 50 or 500 for yourself and enjoy. If there's post-campaign DLC that warrant more levels, it should take nearly no effort for the mod designer to make them available; extending and balancing skill trees notwithstanding.



There may have been a misunderstanding, but you were neither mislead nor abused if the facts are as I take them to be. And seriously, if you were this wound up about something at the office someone would tell you to get a hobby. It's. A. Game. If it's not making your life more pleasant...