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[Aradace]

JaegerBane wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...
It's called "The Dirty Dozen" for a reason, people, and we already have 2 extremely potent biotics.

Jack? Extremly potent? In cutscenes, maybe...

Liara? Potent? In cutscense maybe.

@deezy - Just for the mission despite what the "Liara Crowd" may try and sway you to believe.

Modifié par Aradace, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[clennon8]

Sigh. I guess some of you are just hell-bent on believing the Dirty Dozen is going to become the Baker's Dozen.



Alright then, if you don't believe BioWare's statement from just a few months ago that Kasumi was the last recruitable squadmate, what about the fact that allowing Liara to join the squad on a permanent basis means she could die in the SM?

[Aradace]

clennon8 wrote...

Sigh. I guess some of you are just hell-bent on believing the Dirty Dozen is going to become the Baker's Dozen.

I LOL'd so hard at this...."The Baker's Dozen"
As Ive already said Clennon; The Liara Crowd is going to hold on to even the faintest embers of hope (as ill founded as it is.) until they are ultimately proven wrong.  And then when they ARE proven wrong, they'll be back here, swearing and cursing at BioWare telling them how they got cheated out of their money on the DLC....You watch...It'll happen lol

[clennon8]

JaegerBane wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...
It's called "The Dirty Dozen" for a reason, people, and we already have 2 extremely potent biotics.

Jack? Extremly potent? In cutscenes, maybe...

Ain't that the truth.  I love how in the cut scene she is apparently able to mow down 3 YMIR mechs with no problem, but in actual gameplay she wouldnt last 5 seconds against even 1 YMIR.

Still, she isn't a terrible squadmate to have once she gets Squad Warp Ammo.

[Aradace]

clennon8 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...
It's called "The Dirty Dozen" for a reason, people, and we already have 2 extremely potent biotics.

Jack? Extremly potent? In cutscenes, maybe...

Ain't that the truth.  I love how in the cut scene she is apparently able to mow down 3 YMIR mechs with no problem, but in actual gameplay she wouldnt last 5 seconds against even 1 YMIR.

Still, she isn't a terrible squadmate to have once she gets Squad Warp Ammo.

Liara's just as bad really lol...In ME1 anyway....Cant say for ME2.

Modifié par Aradace, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:29 .

[theelementslayer]

Aradace wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Aradace wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Demigod wrote...

. Bioware drew it to start with I'm sure they can resize it and add in another if they so wished.

But they wont....Bottom line

How exactly do you know they won't?

This close to release....nah....not gonna happen.  Because the mission be played BEFORE the SM or AFTER the SM....Meaning if Liara was going to be recruitable, she'd be on the "chopping block" to get killed in the SM.  Not to mention BW has already mentioned something like this in one of their articles on the DLC already because they want to keep her "relevant" in ME3.  That is them saying, without outright saying, "Sorry guys, you dont get to have Liara in ME2, better luck in ME3."

Ah yes but Chirs said the devs told him that a post SM play will give you a more satisfying story. Plus we still have to think about that one thing that they said they wouldnt release about the Liara DLC to avoid spoilers. Something that will make us really happy?

If you're talking about the "continuation of the relationship" part....You have to realize that they said "Relationship" and not "Romance" that may not SEEM to be relevant but it is.

No, they said relationship, hence they put it in their PR. It was either Gamble or Chris that said. Something else that we will not tell you in PR so it does not spoil it. The identity for the SB, well ya they wont spoil it, a duh, thats the whole point of this DLC. The buff, maybe but I cant see why they would say its so cool, plus itll probably be a patch and not a DLC because everyone should get it. Though I think adepts are still way powerful. Plus we get a new thing called the SB intelligence centre. Where is that going to be? I cant think of a safer place then the normandy. The thing that they havent shown us is something we dont know. What is it that we dont know. We know that their is a SB. We know through the trailers that Feron, or Theron or whatever the drells name is, is there. Its just speculation, we dont know if she will or will not be joining. Let us Liara fans have some hope:wizard:

[ValerioN7]

clennon8 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...
It's called "The Dirty Dozen" for a reason, people, and we already have 2 extremely potent biotics.

Jack? Extremly potent? In cutscenes, maybe...

Ain't that the truth.  I love how in the cut scene she is apparently able to mow down 3 YMIR mechs with no problem, but in actual gameplay she wouldnt last 5 seconds against even 1 YMIR.

Still, she isn't a terrible squadmate to have once she gets Squad Warp Ammo.

This. Samara is much better.

Anyway, squad member or not, i hope we will be able to fight with Liara.  She was absolutely the best biotic in ME1:wub:

Modifié par ValerioN7, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Aradace wrote...

Liara's just as bad really lol...In ME1 anyway....Cant say for ME2.

No she isnt. Jack is pathetic in ME2. As someone pointed out, that ****** over her in the cutscene where she smashes 3 YMIR mechs is pathetic when you look at it from the point that she wont last five seconds against one.

There is never any point in ME1 where Liara uses her biotics during a cutscene to such a stupid degree that it makes a mockery of her in combat powers.

However, it would make more sense even if it was the case, since Liara can toss armatures about like rag dolls in ME1.

[Aradace]

theelementslayer wrote...

Aradace wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Aradace wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Demigod wrote...

. Bioware drew it to start with I'm sure they can resize it and add in another if they so wished.

But they wont....Bottom line

How exactly do you know they won't?

This close to release....nah....not gonna happen.  Because the mission be played BEFORE the SM or AFTER the SM....Meaning if Liara was going to be recruitable, she'd be on the "chopping block" to get killed in the SM.  Not to mention BW has already mentioned something like this in one of their articles on the DLC already because they want to keep her "relevant" in ME3.  That is them saying, without outright saying, "Sorry guys, you dont get to have Liara in ME2, better luck in ME3."

Ah yes but Chirs said the devs told him that a post SM play will give you a more satisfying story. Plus we still have to think about that one thing that they said they wouldnt release about the Liara DLC to avoid spoilers. Something that will make us really happy?

If you're talking about the "continuation of the relationship" part....You have to realize that they said "Relationship" and not "Romance" that may not SEEM to be relevant but it is.

No, they said relationship, hence they put it in their PR. It was either Gamble or Chris that said. Something else that we will not tell you in PR so it does not spoil it. The identity for the SB, well ya they wont spoil it, a duh, thats the whole point of this DLC. The buff, maybe but I cant see why they would say its so cool, plus itll probably be a patch and not a DLC because everyone should get it. Though I think adepts are still way powerful. Plus we get a new thing called the SB intelligence centre. Where is that going to be? I cant think of a safer place then the normandy. The thing that they havent shown us is something we dont know. What is it that we dont know. We know that their is a SB. We know through the trailers that Feron, or Theron or whatever the drells name is, is there. Its just speculation, we dont know if she will or will not be joining. Let us Liara fans have some hope:wizard:

You're gonna bake me some brownies when you're proven wrong....And IF....IF...Im wrong...I'll bake you some of my awesome banana bread....Just for the record, I like my brownies with walnuts lol

[Aradace]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Liara's just as bad really lol...In ME1 anyway....Cant say for ME2.

....No she isnt. ....

Nice comeback....really lol....Out of EVERY squaddie in ME1 Liara died the most often....For me, she always died like a little punk...So did Kaiden for that matter...Admittedly out of the two, Liara died the least.  Truth be told compared to my Vanguard Shep, they're BOTH wusses lol...

[theelementslayer]

Aradace wrote...


You're gonna bake me some brownies when you're proven wrong....And IF....IF...Im wrong...I'll bake you some of my awesome banana bread....Just for the record, I like my brownies with walnuts lol

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Hi everyone,

As Christina
tweeted, some of the new guns you are seeing in those screens are not in
the Lair of the Shadow Broker pack. They are in fact part of a
different pack that will be released prior to Lair of the Shadowbroker -
more details coming very soon. While this was simply intended to tease
them I can see how it could be misleading, so I must apologize for
that.

Lair of the Shadow Broker does, however, contain some
*really* cool stuff we haven't revealed yet so stay tuned for more
details as we head into August. And actually the very coolest part of
the DLC (imho) will be something we absolutely won't reveal in the
marketing or PR, to avoid spoiling it. I think most of you will find it
to be our most satisfying DLC release yet for ME2.

Best Regards,

Jarrett

Thats the quote with what Jarrett said, sorry it wasnt chris or Gamble. And the bets on, though I was thinking browines with a few different ingredients, you know a bit of organic mixed in with it:wizard:. But I cant see what else the PR thing would be. Plus with Chris' comment saying it would be more satisfying Post SM. After the SM they can start getting us ready for ME3, they dont have to worry about stuff like that. I dont think she will be a squaddie but Im hoping with the SB  intel centre and such, she will be on the Normandy.

[JamieCOTC]

AilCross1912 wrote...

*snip*


Well, I didn't want to comment on the subject matter because like one person said "we'll see on the 7th", but I have an opinion so I thought I'd share. I don't believe she will be recruitable because she wasn't recruitable to begin with. OK, maybe that doean't make sense yet, but let me explain. Bioware kept her un-recuitable so she won't have the ability to die and have relevance in ME3. Well, since you can do this mission pre or post suicide, that kinds of tells you right there that she won't be recruitable. For Ex. Someone could complete LotSB and recuit Liara before the suicide mission, then do the suicide mission and give her something stupid like be the tech specialist and die. That would defeat the purpose of Liara not being recruitable before LotSB. Please don't yell at me.....

I think it makes perfect sense and I don't think she will be on the Normandy either.  As for the IGN guy saying she is a squadmate, he's most likely referring to the fact she is a temp squaddie. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that she will join after the SM is completed and has no chance to die, but we’ll just have to wait and see on that.  Personally, I have no problems w/ Liara staying behind as long as it is a valid excuse.  As we know some of the leaked dialogue will be used.  The reasoning she gives in staying behind in these leaked lines is poorly plotted at best. They hint at the coming of Liaribastila, something I had hoped BW had gotten out of its system a long time ago.  I like that the character grows due to strife, but, and I think I speak for a number of players, I have no desire to go up against Darth T’Soni in ME3. **

Edit:

** as in lame plot device. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[Aradace]

Ok....how in the nine hells do you get "Liara is going to be a permanent squadmate" out of that? lol It could be ANYTHING....Yet, the Liara Fans go IMMEDIATELY to "ZOMG they're going to make Liara a permanent squaddie because they said "The coolest part of the DLC is something we're not going to reveal...." BioWare has a history for "Disapointment" only this time, I think it's the Liara Fans that are going to be disappointed...However, I DO agree that there is a "slight" possibility that she will be "on board" the Normandy but just NOT a selectable squaddie....Ive been saying that for a while now because between the two scenarios that is the more likely of the two.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Aradace wrote...


Nice comeback....really lol....Out of EVERY squaddie in ME1 Liara died the most often....For me, she always died like a little punk...So did Kaiden for that matter...Admittedly out of the two, Liara died the least.  Truth be told compared to my Vanguard Shep, they're BOTH wusses lol...

Im sorry to hear about how you suck at using Liaras extensive selection of adept powers in ME1, but none of that changes the facts at hand.

Simply: Jack is ridiculously overpowered in her introductory cutscene in comparison to her actual powers when she joins the squad. Same with Samara. This is partly due to the dumbed down power system in ME2, but it doesnt excuse the ridiculous overindulgence in the cutscenes.

And of course, Liara has a wide array of very effective powers in ME1, which you clearly suck at using.

Nice comeback.....really lol.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:45 .

[jlb524]

I would love to have Liara on the Normandy as a non-squad mate. I still think this Intel Center will be located somewhere else, though, and Liara will be stationed there.

[Aradace]

JamieCOTC wrote...

AilCross1912 wrote...

*snip*


Well, I didn't want to comment on the subject matter because like one person said "we'll see on the 7th", but I have an opinion so I thought I'd share. I don't believe she will be recruitable because she wasn't recruitable to begin with. OK, maybe that doean't make sense yet, but let me explain. Bioware kept her un-recuitable so she won't have the ability to die and have relevance in ME3. Well, since you can do this mission pre or post suicide, that kinds of tells you right there that she won't be recruitable. For Ex. Someone could complete LotSB and recuit Liara before the suicide mission, then do the suicide mission and give her something stupid like be the tech specialist and die. That would defeat the purpose of Liara not being recruitable before LotSB. Please don't yell at me.....

  but, and I think I speak for a number of players, I have no desire to go up against Darth T’Soni in ME3. 

Tch....My Vanguard Shep would tear her apart without breaking a sweat

[clennon8]

I think the Intelligence Center is probably an elaborate location that Liara will take over once they've kicked SB and his goons out of there. I mean, I guess I could see Liara setting up shop and running the galaxy out of the Normandy's cargo hold or something, but even then she won't be a true squadmate that can accompany Shepard on missions outside of LotSB.

EDIT:  The more I think about it, the less I think Liara on the Normandy is a possibility.

Modifié par clennon8, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[JamieCOTC]

Aradace wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

AilCross1912 wrote...

*snip*


Well, I didn't want to comment on the subject matter because like one person said "we'll see on the 7th", but I have an opinion so I thought I'd share. I don't believe she will be recruitable because she wasn't recruitable to begin with. OK, maybe that doean't make sense yet, but let me explain. Bioware kept her un-recuitable so she won't have the ability to die and have relevance in ME3. Well, since you can do this mission pre or post suicide, that kinds of tells you right there that she won't be recruitable. For Ex. Someone could complete LotSB and recuit Liara before the suicide mission, then do the suicide mission and give her something stupid like be the tech specialist and die. That would defeat the purpose of Liara not being recruitable before LotSB. Please don't yell at me.....

  but, and I think I speak for a number of players, I have no desire to go up against Darth T’Soni in ME3. 

Tch....My Vanguard Shep would tear her apart without breaking a sweat

<_<

I knew somebody was going to take it that way.  Sorry, should have clarified.  I just meant I didn’t want such a lame plot device. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Im hoping the Intel center is some other location that can be revisited, rather than on the Normandy.

Basically, everything I have read about the DLC so far suggests to me a temporary squadmate role during the mission. This is also on top of everything I have read so far about Liaras role in the *trilogy* emphasising a "no suicide mission" approach, and therefore not a permanent squaddie for ME2.

Now unless Bioware has reneged on that last part and is now going for "no returning squadmates in ME3, just new ones", I think it makes things pretty clear.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:52 .

[Aradace]

mashavasilec wrote...

Aradace wrote...


Nice comeback....really lol....Out of EVERY squaddie in ME1 Liara died the most often....For me, she always died like a little punk...So did Kaiden for that matter...Admittedly out of the two, Liara died the least.  Truth be told compared to my Vanguard Shep, they're BOTH wusses lol...

i love how you go bragging about your own inability to use squadmates in a fight. boo-hoo

"Boo-hoo?" lol Who's crying? Certainly not me...I just never had a "need" for my squadmates so I let the AI play them for me....That's not an "inability to control my squadmates" as you put it....But rather a "I dont need them because I can clear the area myself."  Same thing in ME2, I RARELY control my squadmates because most of the time (Other than when you're playing on Insanity of course) I can handle the situation myself without any help from them.  And even then, it's ONLY when Im on my Vanguard and ONLY right after I use a Biotic Charge into a group of 3+ enemies.  On my Soldier, if you had a "kill counter" of sorts, I would have FAR FAR more kills than my Squadmates and NEVER use their powers.  Controlling your squadmates is "fun" and "useful" at times....But definately not a requirement of the game. 

But nice jumping to conclusions you did there about me "bragging" lol....If Im bragging about anyting, it's about me not needing them (I play on Normal most of the time because one Insanity run was all I wanted just to get the acheivement.).  On Insantity, yes, it behooves you to use them...Anything ANYTHING below Insanity, you can practically "solo"

[Aradace]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Aradace wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

AilCross1912 wrote...

*snip*


Well, I didn't want to comment on the subject matter because like one person said "we'll see on the 7th", but I have an opinion so I thought I'd share. I don't believe she will be recruitable because she wasn't recruitable to begin with. OK, maybe that doean't make sense yet, but let me explain. Bioware kept her un-recuitable so she won't have the ability to die and have relevance in ME3. Well, since you can do this mission pre or post suicide, that kinds of tells you right there that she won't be recruitable. For Ex. Someone could complete LotSB and recuit Liara before the suicide mission, then do the suicide mission and give her something stupid like be the tech specialist and die. That would defeat the purpose of Liara not being recruitable before LotSB. Please don't yell at me.....

  but, and I think I speak for a number of players, I have no desire to go up against Darth T’Soni in ME3. 

Tch....My Vanguard Shep would tear her apart without breaking a sweat

<_<

I knew somebody was going to take it that way.  Sorry, should have clarified.  I just meant I didn’t want such a lame plot device. 

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....Well then...That's a horse of a different color isnt it? 

[Funker Shepard]

Aradace wrote...

@AilCross - That's the heaviest piece of evidence AGAINST the "Liara Crowd" (for lack of a less constructive term) but still....They will deny it to the bitter end that it is circumstantial at best and that BW could miraculously change it at the last minute because the "Fans" wanted it so.....This close to release....yea....not...gonna...happen

Yeah, that's not a really constructive term. In fact, the thing is, what we (well, me and a lot of others are saying), that it's VERY PROBABLE that Liara won't be a permanent squaddie as of this DLC - we're saying that it's NOT CERTAIN. So you can save your "i told you so's", when the disagreement is over the certainty, not the outcome.

[Aradace]

Funker Shepard wrote...

Aradace wrote...

@AilCross - That's the heaviest piece of evidence AGAINST the "Liara Crowd" (for lack of a less constructive term) but still....They will deny it to the bitter end that it is circumstantial at best and that BW could miraculously change it at the last minute because the "Fans" wanted it so.....This close to release....yea....not...gonna...happen

Yeah, that's not a really constructive term. In fact, the thing is, what we (well, me and a lot of others are saying), that it's VERY PROBABLE that Liara won't be a permanent squaddie as of this DLC - we're saying that it's NOT CERTAIN. So you can save your "i told you so's", when the disagreement is over the certainty, not the outcome.

It's essentially the same thing....It's like a cop-out basically where no matter the outcome, you end up being right...You cant straddle the fence, choose a side sir

[AilCross1912]

Come on everybody, there is nothing to get so whiled up about. Everybodies like " UR STUPID" then they're like " well, UR STUPID FOR SAYIN UR STUPID"........ well anyway... I wonder what the new biotic power will be? The return of stasis........