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[The Big Nothing]

Viva la France wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

On a completely unrelated note, gay pride is something I do not agree with; I don't agree with black pride, white pride, or even cultural pride for the simple reason that pride should be reserved for things one has achieved. We're born the way we are - being proud of it is foolish, because we had no influence on it.

Brunette Pride!

dood this is not a gay thread, it's f/f, so lets stay on topic.

Edit: I agree with gay pride, because it's a good way to pick up girls.

Hi, you must have been born in the new millennium. In modern times, gay means homosexual; a lesbian is homosexual; therefore, lesbians are gay. The word gay isn't male exclusive.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:14 .

[Zan Mura]

Pride in general is something I have a problem with. People are who they are, being proud of any one of your features equals being proud of your genes, of the way you were raised up since you were a baby, of the random events that made you the person you are, of the people who helped you get where you've gotten. All in all, being proud of anything is no different from being proud over winning a lottery jackpot. And since pride implies a feeling of accomplishment and superiority, it's something I am completely opposed to ever having myself, and find very repulsive in other people.

Pride is ultimately nothing but an emotional construct that is not based on reason, otherwise you'd see you have no right to feel pride over anything, because whatever it is it can be traced back to reasons that existed independent of you. A human being is ultimately nothing more than a mere reaction, a result of a complex set of genes and circumstances whose body and mind and all their motivations were a result of matters outside of their own control. So any "choice" you make regardless of the situation, is nothing but the result of the complex programming that is life. Ultimately perfectly predictable and easily manipulated, to anyone who knows the underlying formulas that make up who you are.

But, this is going offtopic.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:51 .

[The Big Nothing]

Way to kill the mood.

[Lenimph]

Zjarcal wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

How about a powerful dalish who knows what she wants. I down with that.
I just want a dalish LI T.T

If only you had the PC version of DA:O... not Dalish, but she does get what she wants!

XD hmm Zevrann is more appealing then the original... 
I don't know if any girl from DA2 will be able to fill the empty void from lack of Leli 

[Zan Mura]

Yeah I seem to have a talent for that. But the emotional side of me still appreciates pride as a good personality feature in any story!

[SirGladiator]

Its true that Leliana will be very hard to replace. It might be nice to have a minor character who is similar to her in the game, that we could talk to a little bit. Not a full on teammate or LI or anything, but just a nice reminder of how great she was .

[defiantwolf]

Shavon wrote...

Liara or Juhani, imo, were the BEST f/f romances to date.  Since having an Asari in the DA 2 game might be a bit, er, strange . . .  let's go with some of what makes Liara so great personality-wise!  Sweetness, mixed in with a badass streak.  Dedication, loyalty, and the smarts!  So sexy!

Okay, Liara I can agree with, but Juhani? Seriously...? I found her kind of creepy myself. Maybe it was her voice/accent, I don't know.

[wickedgoodreed]

In regards to gay pride...Gay pride is not about having a sense of accomplishment or superiority over others its about having simple self-esteem and self-respect despite society's pervasive messages that tell people who are gay that they are less than and that they should feel morbidly ashamed of who they are...but I guess the gay self-esteem and self-respect parade just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Anyway, back on topic...what I love about the way LotSB has developed Liara's character is that it's given her independence, power and autonomy that places her in equal footing with Shepard. Though I loved her meeker, shier days in ME1 too, their romance is just so much more epic now. I mean talk about power couple! I really want to see Lady Hawke with someone who is as equally powerful and capable of leaving her own mark on the world.

[Russalka]

The pride parades in my country only serve to strengthen the bigoted and hateful attitude in the populace.

You know what? I dislike giving ideas and people describing new potential companions with previous NPCs. Oh, she is so Leliana! I hope she doesn't go Morrigan on me. I want a new Liara!

If Bioware starts doing it, we can't really expect any new ideas.

Just sayin'.

Modifié par Russalka, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:52 .

[The Uncanny]

Russalka wrote...

The pride parades in my country only serve to strengthen the bigoted and hateful attitude in the populace.

You know what? I dislike giving ideas and people describing new potential companions with previous NPCs. Oh, she is so Leliana! I hope she doesn't go Morrigan on me. I want a new Liara!

If Bioware starts doing it, we can't really expect any new ideas.

Just sayin'.

I agree. We've been there and done that. Let's move on to something new.

And just a reminder to everyone to stay on topic - f/f romance in DA2. Thanks.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:57 .

[Yana Montana]

For some weird reason I really want to know the name of our possible bi LI now. Wonder if BioWare can overcome "all f/f LI's shall have a name which start with letter L" stereotype.

[The Uncanny]

Yana Montana wrote...

For some weird reason I really want to know the name of our possible bi LI now. Wonder if BioWare can overcome "all f/f LI's shall have a name which start with letter L" stereotype.

Surely they can't do that again...?! The last two even had the same closing letter as well to make their names sound even more alike!

And will we have to put up with more silly 'fantasy' names? Am I the only person who would find it a relief to play an rpg in which the characters had exotic names like 'Carol' or 'Bob' for a change...?

Modifié par The Uncanny, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[Yana Montana]

BioWare likes doing it hard way, sweetheart.

Besides some names in DA:O (like Alistair or Morrigan) are borrowed from Celtic mythology or other. Still, some diversity never hurts.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Russalka wrote...
You know what? I dislike giving ideas and people describing new potential companions with previous NPCs. Oh, she is so Leliana! I hope she doesn't go Morrigan on me. I want a new Liara!

If Bioware starts doing it, we can't really expect any new ideas.
Just sayin'.

Agree... Let's have new characters, not re-hashes (even if "improved" ones.)  But I also agree that using other NPCs as shorthand  for the kinds  of characters we find intriguing and/or attractive is useful.

Referring back a few posts, I wasn't saying that Velanna, as portrayed in DA:A, had all the traits that Faintly (or I)  desired.  I simply meant that she already had many of them, and (had they choosen to do so) could have easily have been a LI in just that vein. 

So in DA2  I would NOT  expect to see:

"A Dalish mage that perhaps spent a little too much time shapeshifting, with a kind of unpredictable and little bit feral personality. Prone towards playing tricks that may shy a little too close to cruelty. It would be cool if her relationship with the PC (romantic or not), helps her to connect and empathize with people. A scene where she apologizes to another companion that she'd played a nasty trick on earlier in the game and had previously felt little (to no) remorse for would be heartwarming..." 

Since that sounds almost exactly  like Velanna to me, right down to when she's face-to-face with the Merchants in Amaranthine.  (OK, she doesn't apologize.  But she's clearly having some second thoughts...) 

Oh, but to go back to the Thread Topic using the shorthand described above:  Give me Velanna+Sigi+Dagna!
Fiercely Loyal/Strong+Joking/Practical+Smart/Dedicated. 

Prefer Warrior to Rogue, (I'm  the sneaky one here, thank you!) and Mages are just too out there for me to want to spend that much time with.  (OK, full disclosure: Morrigan's personality and attitudes might have been modeled on my SO, so I was enchanted at her first "What have  we here?"  But we're talking DA2  now!)

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[The Uncanny]

I think pointing to more peripheral characters or characters from other games is fine. But I still think it is problematic to centre a discussion on prospective characters around former ones. Particularly former LIs. The danger is that by stating something akin to 'I want a sweet LI. Because Leliana is sweet. And I like Leliana. So that is what I want.' you're doing several things. You're reducing a character to a single trait as if they possessed no others - and if that is done often enough people will forget they had any others - and secondly it is potentially dangerous because it can limit thinking. Even if one character is sweet/spiteful/aggressive/funny then that doesn't preclude another character having the exact same trait... just in a different way.

[Zjarcal]

My banner makes it clear who I want for LI in Dragon Age 2...

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Zjarcal wrote...
My banner makes it clear who I want for LI in Dragon Age 2...

I guess I'm slow... Would that be an "Ari-ana"  character in DA2  ?

And if so, while potentially an awesome combination, presents certain moral and, shall we say... theological difficulties.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 14 septembre 2010 - 03:22 .

[Zjarcal]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
My banner makes it clear who I want for LI in Dragon Age 2...

I guess I'm slow... Would that be an "Ari-ana"  character in DA2  ?

And if so, while potentially an awesome combination, presents certain moral and, shall we say... theological difficulties.

No, no, it's a joke! Check out The Uncanny's avatar and you'll understand...

Modifié par Zjarcal, 14 septembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[ErichHartmann]

Aribeth after she turned to the dark side would be an epic fling.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 14 septembre 2010 - 04:02 .

[tez19]

some hoe with a bucket.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Zjarcal wrote...

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
My banner makes it clear who I want for LI in Dragon Age 2...

I guess I'm slow... Would that be an "Ari-ana"  character in DA2  ?

And if so, while potentially an awesome combination, presents certain moral and, shall we say... theological difficulties.

No, no, it's a joke! Check out The Uncanny's avatar and you'll understand...

Awwww. now I'm disappointed.  

I thought you were directing us to BOTH elements of your sig.  Which, as I noted, would be... interesting... 
(In a good way!  )

Oh, and of course I know what her avi looks like.  Sheeesh, Uncanny already IS  my FemHawke's LI!

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[Russalka]

Rather derailing from topic, isn't it? :/



If rogues are out of the question this time, what would be preferable? Warrior or mage as LI?

[The Uncanny]

Russalka wrote...

If rogues are out of the question this time, what would be preferable? Warrior or mage as LI?

If not a rogue, then I'd certainly prefer a warrior.

[Russalka]

Hmm, if we go by the rule of them not wanting to repeat things much and if there are two party members of each class, then it is unlikely the female LI is a mage!

Bethany is a mage, incest is no-go, two female mages might seem like repeating!

Modifié par Russalka, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:16 .