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[Zjarcal]

Russalka wrote...

Mubar, thank you for contributing to the discussion. Your deep and thoughtful questions made me wonder about life and existence in general.

Right, where was this thread left off at? Dwarves are okay, humans are okay, elves are okay. Rather not have rogues as bisexual romances in DA2. class can dictate a character's personality quite a bit.

Perhaps, but you can still have wildly different personalities in characters who share the same class. Wynne and Morrigan were both mages yet their personalities couldn't have been more different.

I wouldn't mind if we had another bisexual rogue, but I won't complain if we get a warrior or mage. Truly, for me at least, the character's class isn't that important. I know many here disagree and that's fine.

[Zjarcal]

zahra wrote...

On-topic: I was just wondering, how people would react if the (fem)PC decided to marry a female LI? Most probably not under Chantry law (I dunno, does Andraste hate gays? Are there other same-sex marriages in Thedas?) Not that I think it will come up in DA2 mind you, but since most threads are discussing things like children etc, it doesn't seem too far-fetched to wonder about a same-sex committed relationship and how it would play out.

I would love that! Not that it would be an option game (doubtful) but I would love it nonetheless.

I don't think there are same-sex marriages in Thedas given their views on homosexuality, but there could still be room for a symbolic union.

[Johnny Pothead]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't become a boob thread.

the chantry would prolly be against it since marriages are political.

[Ciryx]

zahra wrote...

@Mubar lolwut

Please read the rest of the thread. This will make you see why your statements are out of context [and kind of weird. Whats with the "You like dwarves don't you?"? Its sounds like a bad opening line of a Thedas-inspired pron film].

On-topic: I was just wondering, how people would react if the (fem)PC decided to marry a female LI? Most probably not under Chantry law (I dunno, does Andraste hate gays? Are there other same-sex marriages in Thedas?) Not that I think it will come up in DA2 mind you, but since most threads are discussing things like children etc, it doesn't seem too far-fetched to wonder about a same-sex committed relationship and how it would play out.

Well, i am all for a marriage, regardless if it is a gay marriage or not.  The game spans a period of ten years, i dont want the romance to "end" with sex. They didnt do that in Origins, but before u got to the sex u finished in most cases the personal quest for your LI and after this was done... well, it was kind of dull. I want more to happen in ten years.
A marriage would be good start to add some things up, or by a first "milestone" in a relationship. After this event u can look out for what happens. (childern etc) And than: How will the other nobles in kirkwall react, how will the chantry react to your marriage. Does someone threathen your partner etc etc.

The most important thing i hope for is though that the LI tries to "influence" you, or that shes maybe the one talking to you when decisions are made. And not just stuff like in origins: "lets support this" and thats it. I want so see some communication ongoing. The point behind is that the one u love/marry is important to you, so it should feel like that this person has a deeper inpact on you, that she cares what u do, and in return u care of her opinion.

I get it that Hawk will be someone who gets **** done,  and people follow but... oh heck. Now i dont know what i wanted to write. F**k. But ah... anyways! Some of you will know Liara from Shadowbroker dlc? As she asked how Shepard -really- felt, and Shepard could answer: I really dont know how i should do this. The reapers, my god. I am nothing but a grain of sand in the storm. I am doing what i can, but it just feels so overwhelming.

This admiting of weekness, and that care Liara showed you here, dunno. I really liked it.
Ah, its almost 2:00 in the night... gotta head to bed!

[Russalka]

Marriage in Thedas is mainly for offspring and political unions.

[Ciryx]

Johnny Pothead wrote...

I'm surprised this thread hasn't become a boob thread.
the chantry would prolly be against it since marriages are political.

What does that have to do with the chantry being against it?
IIRC a chantry priestress was there as Alistair wed Anora/Cousland. Seemed very legid and a happy event.

I can understand that they would be kind of angry if you go and marry flemeth while burning priests to keep the partyfires going or stuff...

I am more interested how they few gay marriages. The Center of the Chantry is in Orlais, and i got the impression that being gay in Orlais wasnt as much an issue as anywere else. (And i didnt encounter such an issue in Fereleden)

[Ciryx]

Russalka wrote...

Marriage in Thedas is mainly for offspring and political unions.

I thought only among the wealthy. To "produce" heirs and keep the bloodline running.

[Russalka]

Read the link given by Zjarcal.

And monsieur Gaider has responded to this issue more than once.

[Ciryx]

Russalka wrote...

Read the link given by Zjarcal.
And monsieur Gaider has responded to this issue more than once.

Aw, sorry. Didnt knew. Fairly new here.

[Russalka]

Don't worry. This is an interesting world though. Ferelden at least has very few gender roles, none too prevalent, and homosexuality isn't an issue at all. Beyond, in Thedas, it seems only the Qunari might have issues with what women should do or if a person has a sexual preference towards his or her own sex.

[Zjarcal]

Yeah, a legal homosexual marriage is pretty much out of the question due to the way marriage is treated in Thedas. As I said, a symbolic union is the best one could hope for in this scenario.



And to be honest, that would have more meaning to me than an official document.

[SirGladiator]

I don't really see how it matters what the 'law' is in a given area, I agree with the previous comment, the symbolism is all that matters, if Hawke and her lady of choice want to get married, they should get married, I'm all for it. Just have one of the other Team Mates perform the ceremony, it doesn't have to be 'official'. As the Champion of Kirkwall, everyone will respect her marriage, whoever she chooses to marry, so even if its unofficial, it'll certainly be 'official enough'.



I'd actually like to go a step further than marriage, I'd like to see some magic similar to Morrigan's DR, that would allow Hawke and her lady to have a child together, if they do end up putting the ability to have children with your LI into the game, as some have speculated that they will. Certainly Flemeth would have that power, Bethany might have that power also, maybe even Hawke or her LI would as well if either of them were a mage, who knows. Something like that would actually be a really cool way of making DA more like ME, where two women can have children together as long as at least one of them is an Asari, and it would be the first similiarity between the two games that everybody could agree is a good one .

[Lenimph]

SirGladiator wrote...

I'd actually like to go a step further than marriage, I'd like to see some magic similar to Morrigan's DR, that would allow Hawke and her lady to have a child together, if they do end up putting the ability to have children with your LI into the game, as some have speculated that they will. Certainly Flemeth would have that power, Bethany might have that power also, maybe even Hawke or her LI would as well if either of them were a mage, who knows. Something like that would actually be a really cool way of making DA more like ME, where two women can have children together as long as at least one of them is an Asari, and it would be the first similiarity between the two games that everybody could agree is a good one .

 That's a trippy idea you got there...  

[ShrinkingFish]

I don't really have an opinion on this as I wont be playing a female Hawke but still...



What I would like to see beyond anything else is a female romance companion that is actually just a lesbian. DAO's and Mass Effect's only homosexual options were all bisexual. I'd like to see a woman who is romancible by a female protagonist only. And the same for the male.



They have straight characters who are exclusive to their opposite sex, why not fully homosexual characters that are exclusive to the same sex?



I also don't know if there was a character like this present in Mass Effect 2, as I've never played it. If there is I would like to know so please say so =)

[Ciryx]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

I don't really have an opinion on this as I wont be playing a female Hawke but still...

What I would like to see beyond anything else is a female romance companion that is actually just a lesbian. DAO's and Mass Effect's only homosexual options were all bisexual. I'd like to see a woman who is romancible by a female protagonist only. And the same for the male.

They have straight characters who are exclusive to their opposite sex, why not fully homosexual characters that are exclusive to the same sex?

I also don't know if there was a character like this present in Mass Effect 2, as I've never played it. If there is I would like to know so please say so =)

Ye, we agreed on that one a couple of pages ago, almost everyone wants an lesbian/gay only LI.

And no, there wasnt one in ME. ME (2) had straigth options only. There wasnt even a bisexuell one. Well u could count Liara, but since all Asari look like females and have no second gender i am not to sure what to make of it.

[Mubar]

Russalka wrote...

Mubar, thank you for contributing to the discussion. Your deep and thoughtful questions made me wonder about life and existence in general.

Right, where was this thread left off at? Dwarves are okay, humans are okay, elves are okay. Rather not have rogues as bisexual romances in DA2. class can dictate a character's personality quite a bit.

My sarcasm senses are tingling.Anyway this thread is pointles and everyone posts here for ****hs and giggles we dont decide anything the devs are gonna do whatever they want  


It would be fun though to see the F/F romance break the 4-th wall in a way  and dont you ever say that I did something good you dont see me saying that you're a good person so why do you say such mean things about me  

                                                  

[Russalka]

SirGladiator wrote...

I don't really see how it matters what the 'law' is in a given area, I agree with the previous comment, the symbolism is all that matters, if Hawke and her lady of choice want to get married, they should get married, I'm all for it. Just have one of the other Team Mates perform the ceremony, it doesn't have to be 'official'. As the Champion of Kirkwall, everyone will respect her marriage, whoever she chooses to marry, so even if its unofficial, it'll certainly be 'official enough'.

I'd actually like to go a step further than marriage, I'd like to see some magic similar to Morrigan's DR, that would allow Hawke and her lady to have a child together, if they do end up putting the ability to have children with your LI into the game, as some have speculated that they will. Certainly Flemeth would have that power, Bethany might have that power also, maybe even Hawke or her LI would as well if either of them were a mage, who knows. Something like that would actually be a really cool way of making DA more like ME, where two women can have children together as long as at least one of them is an Asari, and it would be the first similiarity between the two games that everybody could agree is a good one .

But there could be a problem with how everyone basically views marriage. Even the people who are attracted to their own sex might view marriage just some legal contract among potential loved ones, man and woman, who wish to have offpsring. Why would they feel the need to have marriage, if it is not considered the same as we have in real life? Am wondering, I am just not sure whether the thought of some sort of ceremonial commitement could actually occur to anyone who can't have children or who would feel the need to do so, NEED for marriage at all in Thedas terms.

The child idea... I don't know. It would certainly take care of the potential problem I mentioned. I don't think magic actually allows children to just poof out of thin air, though. Even Flemeth resorted to sleeping around to have her daughters. And suddenly bending some semblance of law in the world of Thedas to just make children happen for F/F romance just seems like fan service ergo unlikely to happen.

[Mubar]

zahra wrote...

@Mubar lolwut

Please read the rest of the thread. This will make you see why your statements are out of context [and kind of weird. Whats with the "You like dwarves don't you?"? Its sounds like a bad opening line of a Thedas-inspired pron film].

On-topic: I was just wondering, how people would react if the (fem)PC decided to marry a female LI? Most probably not under Chantry law (I dunno, does Andraste hate gays? Are there other same-sex marriages in Thedas?) Not that I think it will come up in DA2 mind you, but since most threads are discussing things like children etc, it doesn't seem too far-fetched to wonder about a same-sex committed relationship and how it would play out.

I read the comments and looked at the pics  and  my awsome logic with the help of the voices in my head reached consensus that this thread is pointless.People are saying what the want and dont want personaly I dont giva a drawve's beard about what they give us as a F/F romance as long as it is at least half as awsome as that of fem Warden and Leliana and fem Shepard and Liara ( to be honest it seemed a little too fast paced   .Witch was a bummer since Liara was so cute and you get 3 convos until she falls in love with you  but then ME 2 happens and  you find out she rocovered youre body......if thats not love I dont know what is ).I dont care if they put a brood mother in there as long as it delivers in both story and.............. You dont want to know where this goes trust me youre inocent mind wont take it TT_TT

It would be awsome if there was a female version of Oghren  the guy was an awsome drawve.Just think about it a drunken fem drawve starts dancing in the middle of battle with a two handed axe  no that would be an awsome romancable drawve admit it youre gonna be all "this is win" it turns out like  this

At any rate I realy dont care what the chose for the F/F romance option and who knows maybe there will be more then one  (must.....resist..........cant.......TRHEESOME )  I just dont see a drawve as a romance option it could turn out to be epic but I just dont see it . Female drawves can be very cute if they draw them right  


* Above post* Never underestemate the KIGO factor

Truth is Im not all the right in the head
               You'll burn me alive wont you  please dont it hurts

Modifié par Mubar, 20 septembre 2010 - 11:00 .

[Ciryx]

Well ofc we are no developers. So non of the stuff we say matters, but just imagine: Sometimes its fun to talk about the stuff u like and invest time into! Also sometimes, but only sometimes developer read what we write, so they got to know what is liked and will give em some money.



Also: Woah, i know my english is bad, but at least i try to make use of points and commatas. Could u try to do this too? And what the heck is a "TREESOME"?

[Mubar]

Ciryx wrote...

Well ofc we are no developers. So non of the stuff we say matters, but just imagine: Sometimes its fun to talk about the stuff u like and invest time into! Also sometimes, but only sometimes developer read what we write, so they got to know what is liked and will give em some money.

Also: Woah, i know my english is bad, but at least i try to make use of points and commatas. Could u try to do this too? And what the heck is a "TREESOME"?

tHreesome.....sorry I'll fix it.It is when three pople have sex with each othrer it usaly refers to a dude and 2 chiks or a chick and two dudes but there a cases when there are three chiks  

And since youre gonna say how my english sucks what the hell is "ofc" short for........ofcourse?

Comma button is broken

Modifié par Mubar, 20 septembre 2010 - 10:57 .

[Monica83]

Like Leliana type... She is the type of woman that can be made me totally fallen in Love ^ ^ And i love french accent!!!

Modifié par Monica83, 20 septembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[wickedgoodreed]

ShrinkingFish wrote...
They have straight characters who are exclusive to their opposite sex, why not fully homosexual characters that are exclusive to the same sex?

I'd love to see exclusive romance options too, but Gaider briefly explained the reasoning behind why we're not likely to see this in the M/M thread:

David Gaider wrote...

Minxie18 wrote...
That annoys me a bit too. I understand why they do it because there are only so many companions they can make so it saves time to combine male and female love interests into a bi-sexual character.

It's not time so much as trying to get the most bang for our buck (innuendo unintentional). I'd love to have a romance interest specifically homosexual, but that's unlikely to happen anytime soon simply because it's content already geared at a minority of players. But we'll see.

Until then, however, if one's opinion on the matter is "all or nothing" then I'm afraid the answer would ultimately be nothing.

http://social.biowar...64&lf=8#4632421

I have some differences of opinion in regards to this, but it is what is I guess.

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 20 septembre 2010 - 03:02 .

[Yana Montana]

Well, as much as I want pure gay LI, I'd embrace any bisexual with my open arms.  

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
They have straight characters who are exclusive to their opposite sex, why not fully homosexual characters that are exclusive to the same sex?

I'd love to see exclusive romance options too, but Gaider briefly explained the reasoning behind why we're not likely to see this in the M/M thread:

David Gaider wrote...

Minxie18 wrote...
That annoys me a bit too. I understand why they do it because there are only so many companions they can make so it saves time to combine male and female love interests into a bi-sexual character.

It's not time so much as trying to get the most bang for our buck (innuendo unintentional). I'd love to have a romance interest specifically homosexual, but that's unlikely to happen anytime soon simply because it's content already geared at a minority of players. But we'll see.

Until then, however, if one's opinion on the matter is "all or nothing" then I'm afraid the answer would ultimately be nothing.

http://social.biowar...64&lf=8#4632421

I have some differences of opinion in regards to this, but it is what is I guess.

Yeah, I've heard Gaider talking about this before. I can understand the reasoning. There are many, many things that the devs would love to implement, but they always have to keep an eye on the big picture and that means leaving out great ideas that probably wouldn't appeal to the masses.

*sighs*

How great would've it had been in DA:O if Leli was only into girls? I'd have loved it. But that would've meant that males only had one female LI to go after. Not an ideal scenario.

Let's just hope our bisexual female LI treats the lesbian relationship differently than she would treat the straight one. As I said before, it was done to an extend in DA:O, but not enough in my opinion.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 20 septembre 2010 - 04:49 .

[Johnny Pothead]

Are you that against m/f romances? you complained there were to many male romances on the Lel thread for some reason.   For what its worth i liked the bi li's more the the straight ones, but idk if i want an all ****** character.

Modifié par Johnny Pothead, 20 septembre 2010 - 05:44 .