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[Dave of Canada]

MariSkep wrote...

There's a great deal of duress behind the killings you do perform. It's very much be killed or kill.

"I refuse your offer. [attack]"

[Demx]

Collider wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Collider wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

There are several evil acts that you can do within DA:O.

1. You can let the Kitty possess the girl in Stone Prisoner.
2. You can let the demon in the fade return to possess Connor.
3. You can leave the werewolves as they are.

Didn't Alistair side with the werewolves in Darkspwan Chronicles? That would make him a manipultive bastard if he did an evil deed.

Alistair in the Darkspawn Chronicles seems pretty out of character.

No he isn't. He does exactly what he argued you should do in most cases.

Are you sure? I doubt remember Alistair saying that the werewolves should go over to the Dalish camp and kill everyone.

I don't remember him disagreeing either though.

[Collider]

How so? I only heard him grunt and moan. Or are you refering to the companions that he kept around him?

This is what Alistair did during the Darkspawn chronicles:



* He preserved the Anvil of the Void during A Paragon of Her Kind.



* He Annulled the Circle Tower during Broken Circle.



* He allied with the Werewolves during Nature of the Beast.



* He killed Loghain during The Landsmeet.



* He performed Morrigan's dark ritual, and recruited Leliana and Dog.



* He preserved the Urn of Andraste during The Urn of Sacred Ashes.



The ones bolded are opposite of what Alistair actually advocates in Dragon Age Origins.

[Dave of Canada]

MariSkep wrote...

They're going to be studied. I'm sure they'll be a lot of testing to verify they are what Genitivi claims they are.

The entire trials and Guardian seem to suggest they are the ashes themselves, though. While they might be hallucinations created by the Lyrium (as Oghren suggests), it's extremely convinent that the hallucinations know more than the players know themselves.

No one is destroying it. The temple remains intact. In fact I don't doubt it'll be heavily fortified by the Andrastian Chantry within months of Genitivi's report. There's no harm done to it.

Like I've said before, Andraste's Ashes (the relic itself, not the jar / temple) will be taken by the pilgrims and eventually drain dry. Andraste's Ashes will disappear.

[Dave of Canada]

MariSkep wrote...

For which specific instances? I don't remember my PC engaging in any unnecessary battles.

The Dwarf that is using blackmarket lyrium trade to the Templar tower, there's no peaceful way to say "No." to him, also the "good" choice for the Dark Wolf in Awakening also results in battle.

[Collider]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Collider wrote...

Dragon age? Hero and Anti-Hero.

Kind of. Certain options in DA:O seemed pretty...out there. Like killing the wounded soldier in the Korcari Wilds. Obviously evil is subjective, but I can't think of a good reason for killing that soldier besides being a psychopath.

End his pain.

I thought about that one, but the Warden doesn't exactly say that he's doing it out of mercy

[Dr. wonderful]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Its still murder. All you are doing is trying to justify it. Most murderers can also justify their actions.

Even as a good guy, you murder a lot of people. Why does this murder instantly make my character a murderer and evil?

I agree with Dave.

[eucatastrophe]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Letting the demon possess him is pretty bad.

QFE 

[eucatastrophe]

Maconbar wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

You're murdering an innocent scholar looking to share his findings and validate much of his largely heretical work in the eyes of the Chantry. 

But the Chantry will exploit it, the ashes in the Urn don't replenish themselves and eventually enough pilgrims will take all of them and the Urn won't be sacred anymore. Genetivi's research will make the ashes essentially fade away.

Its still murder. All you are doing is trying to justify it. Most murderers can also justify their actions.

Fair enough.
But then you must believe ALL murder is bad.

Genitivi believes what he thinks is right... as do fanatics who often go to extreme lengths to fight for their cause. Would you let a fanatic live if it damaged thousand other lives?

Just FYI, I was shocked the first time my character killed Genitivi and I typically don't do it.

[Collider]

Wait, doesn't Alistair say that Annulment is the only way?

You can convince Alistair not to lose approval from killing the Mage Circle, but if you don't pass the persuade check, I'm fairly certain he loses influence. I haven't played the game in a while though so I might be wrong.

[Dr. wonderful]

Collider wrote...

How so? I only heard him grunt and moan. Or are you refering to the companions that he kept around him?

This is what Alistair did during the Darkspawn chronicles:

* He preserved the Anvil of the Void during A Paragon of Her Kind.

* He Annulled the Circle Tower during Broken Circle.

* He allied with the Werewolves during Nature of the Beast.

* He killed Loghain during The Landsmeet.

* He performed Morrigan's dark ritual, and recruited Leliana and Dog.

* He preserved the Urn of Andraste during The Urn of Sacred Ashes.

The ones bolded are opposite of what Alistair actually advocates in Dragon Age Origins.

I thought he like dog?

I guees Ali is just that much of a puppet.

[Dave of Canada]

MariSkep wrote...

Oh that one. Yeah I ended up just taking the lyrium. Thought of it as a way to stick it to the Chantry.

While I'm trying to take a more reasonable stance on the Genetivi issue, you can also get rid of him for the same reason

[Collider]

I thought he like dog?

Yea, true, I forgot to unbold that.

Modifié par Collider, 02 septembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[Dr. wonderful]

Dave of Canada wrote...

MariSkep wrote...

Oh that one. Yeah I ended up just taking the lyrium. Thought of it as a way to stick it to the Chantry.

While I'm trying to take a more reasonable stance on the Genetivi issue, you can also get rid of him for the same reason

I like Genetivi, He had a damn good voice actor.

[Dave of Canada]

Collider wrote...

I thought he like dog?

Yea, true, I forgot to unbold that.

But he still called it "Barkspawn".

[Dr. wonderful]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Collider wrote...

I thought he like dog?

Yea, true, I forgot to unbold that.

But he still called it "Barkspawn".

It's a Shoutout

[eucatastrophe]

Barkspawn!

Yeah that name made me love Alistair just a little more n_n

That comic is swell too :3

[Khraum]

I'd be interesting if Hawke was a tragic villain/hero, someone who was inherently good but made by his circumstance to turn evil or do evil things.