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[Mecha Tengu]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

hmm I liked fallout 3's karma system. Being good or evil didnt depend all on choices, but also all the real time actions you took

The game was rather stupid about it, though.

"Oops, I accidently picked up a wine bottle that didn't belong to me."
"DIE THIEF"
"YOU'RE A MONSTER"
"THREE DOG HERE AND THIS GUY IS A DOUCHE"

I agree, you can't set lockpicking or stealing from cannibals as an action that would make you lose karma. Or killing vampires and other slavers would make you lose karma

but I did like how you could simply kill the quest giver, kill random people and that would affect what would happen, not selectin from a menu of 6 set dialogue options

[Fishy]

This thread really creep me out after reading some reply.

[Lord_Valandil]

Suprez30 wrote...

This thread really creep me out after reading some reply.

We humans are terrible beings.

[Dave of Canada]

Suprez30 wrote...

This thread really creep me out after reading some reply.

What replies?

[Fishy]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

This thread really creep me out after reading some reply.

We humans are terrible beings.

yeah seriously i won't say who .. But some ppl gave me the impression they would go into an hospital on a killing spree since they cost money to the society.

hey it's for the *greater good*
Remind me of Hitler.

Now i remember why  i'm happy  we have the police



Hey a beggar
- POW

What's that movie with the guy beating a beggar to death and killing a prostitute?
lol

Modifié par Suprez30, 02 septembre 2010 - 06:34 .

[Dave of Canada]

I feel targeted here.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 02 septembre 2010 - 06:35 .

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Suprez30, it ALWAYS reaches this point when discussing "evil". It shows how difficult it is to define it in a game. Maybe there shouldn't be anymore discussion about it.

[eucatastrophe]

Suprez30 wrote...

This thread really creep me out after reading some reply.

Well you probably realise that this is all conjecture right?

We're all cool headed, omniscient pragmatists on the internet but when faced with the real deal, our true values and beliefs are exposed by the actions we take then, and only then.

[Dave of Canada]

eucatastrophe wrote...

We're all cool headed, omniscient pragmatists on the internet but when faced with the real deal, our true values and beliefs are exposed by the actions we take then, and only then..

I still believe that the end justify the means. >.<

[Fishy]

Dave of Canada wrote...


I feel targeted here.

no no

[eucatastrophe]

Dave of Canada wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

We're all cool headed, omniscient pragmatists on the internet but when faced with the real deal, our true values and beliefs are exposed by the actions we take then, and only then..

I still believe that the end justify the means. >.<

Well, maybe when you're facing a dilemma, your belief is confirmed that indeed you are about the ends, not means. Or maybe you find otherwise, who knows?

It really depends on the situation; till you're between that rock and the hard place, you really can't be sure about anything

[Quinnzel]

Hmm, I believe in Survival of the Smartest/Fastest.



After all, you dont need to be the strongest, the most pwerful or most wise charecter to escape a Dragon. You just need to outrun the Dwarf with a 20 foot movement speed

[GodWood]

I thought DA:O did it well.

My canon I simply roleplayed what I believed to be the best decisions (story wise, RP wise and based on my own personal morals)

And ended up with this:

Killed Connor

Cured the Werewolves

Killed Wynne

Sided with Templars.

Picked Bhelen

Saved the Anvil

Sided with the Dragon Cultists (thus had to kill Leliana)

Spared Loghain

Did Dark Ritual.

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

I thought DA:O did it well.
My canon I simply roleplayed what I believed to be the best decisions (story wise, RP wise and based on my own personal morals)
And ended up with this:
Killed Connor
Cured the Werewolves
Killed Wynne
Sided with Templars.
Picked Bhelen
Saved the Anvil
Sided with the Dragon Cultists (thus had to kill Leliana)
Spared Loghain
Did Dark Ritual.

To compare on my "real life" playthrough with no metagaming.

Killed Connor.
Reasoning: Isolde and Eamon can always make other children, the mage tower is too risky. (no metagaming)

Sided with Templars.
Reasoning: Cullen has a point, they've been with the blood mages for a while. It's unknown how many were corrupted and I don't want this to happen to the Circle again.

Cured the Werewolves.
Reasoning: No reason to leave them cursed when they can be cured.

Bhelen as King.
Reasoning: Bhelen is more of a modern man while Harrowmont is traditional. While Bhelen is a bad man, the caste system is flawed and needs to go away and Bhelen is the man who's ready to do this.

Anvil saved.
Reasoning: If they only take volunteers, the golems can assist the dwarves in retaking their fallen kingdom. More dwarven territory and strength means less darkspawn to worry about hitting the surface.

Killed the Cultists, Ashes not defiled. Genetivi killed.
Reasoning: The cultists were obviously screwed up, the Guardian also says it. While I intially agreed to help them (to bring me to the temple) they were killed upon my exit of the temple. I saw no reason to corrupt the ashes with dragon's blood. When Genetivi announced he'd release the location around, I told him to stand down because the Chantry would simply exploit the ashes for their own purposes. Genetivi refused and left me no choice but to kill him.

Loghain dead, Alistair on throne.
Reasoning: Loghain helped kill my family (Cousland), essentially tore Ferelden apart and hunted me immediately afterwards. No way was he going to live for those things, no need to mention slavery and such. While I debated putting Anora on the throne, she already betrayed me to Cauthrian and I don't want her near me. At all.

Dark Ritual.
Reasoning: I didn't want to die.

Boon: Serving the crown.
Reasoning: I promised Alistair I'd help him out, he's my friend and I couldn't just leave him alone in the fate I trapped him in.

[Arrtis]

It really depends who you like and feel is more important.
If you kill everyone you like and feel is important...then your evil....by your standards I suppose.
If you kill everyone but those...then you were a good character...I guess.
If you really do not care about any of them like me?
You are simply just living life neither good nor bad.
Also dave...loghain had nothing to do with the cousland murders.Was just howe....Loghain just allied with him later.

Modifié par Arrtis, 02 septembre 2010 - 07:41 .

[Knight Templar_]

I like how some poeple are claiming that the choices are black and white, providing examples of what they consider to be evil. But then others come along and say "thats not evil".



Either Bioware is getting it right, or these froums are full of well spoken, but very evil people.

[Dave of Canada]

Knight Templar wrote...

I like how some poeple are claiming that the choices are black and white, providing examples of what they consider to be evil. But then others come along and say "thats not evil".

Well. It's not evil unless you're doing it for fun, any action can be defended unless it's out of pure hate or fun. I find Renegades in Mass Effect 2 to be perfectly reasonable and sensible (ignoring Morinth) compared to Paragons.

[Arrtis]

Nothing is inherently good or evil.

Except for good intentions and evil intentions....

But defining them is up to the person.

All you see are people who disagree on what is good and what is bad....people will argue this forever.

If I have any understanding of good and evil.....

I go with treat others how you wish to be treated.......since my warden did not mind people trying to kill him...guess what he did....

[Collider]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Suprez30, it ALWAYS reaches this point when discussing "evil". It shows how difficult it is to define it in a game. Maybe there shouldn't be anymore discussion about it.

But that wouldn't be fun at all.

[Dave of Canada]

Arrtis wrote...

I go with treat others how you wish to be treated.......since my warden did not mind people trying to kill him...guess what he did....

I never understand the logic for "good" here. Why let the guy who tried to kill you leave? Do you think he'd have the same mercy on you?

[Arrtis]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

I go with treat others how you wish to be treated.......since my warden did not mind people trying to kill him...guess what he did....

I never understand the logic for "good" here. Why let the guy who tried to kill you leave? Do you think he'd have the same mercy on you?

The merc that tried to kill leliana my warden killed 90% of the time....
I have indeed lost that fight before and I saw no mercy!

[Knight Templar_]

Dave of Canada wrote...


I never understand the logic for "good" here. Why let the guy who tried to kill you leave? Do you think he'd have the same mercy on you?

I strive to be better than those I fight.

[Fishy]

my own personal morals

Saved Connor
Cured the Werewolves
Sided with Wynne
Sided with the mage
Picked Harrowmont
Destroyed the Anvil
Did not side with the freak dragon cultist
Killed Loghain
Did Dark Ritual



Saved Connor
Reasoning: If there's a way to save someone i will do it . Yes might be repercussion but i take the risk.I'm not going to kill a children.Most of the villager are dead anyway.

Did not side with the templar.
Reasoning:  Cullen might have a point but he's just scared and intoxicated by Lyrium.

Cured the Werewolves.
Reasoning: No reason to leave them cursed when they can be cured.
Very true

Harrowmont as King.
Reasoning: Even if Bhelen's more *modern* he's still a nutty .

Anvil destroyed
Reasoning: Brainwashing ppl it's easy .. I don't take the *volunteer part*.The wife of Ohgren was the hint for me.She was  nut.They have volunteer also in mass suicide and history have proven us this many time(with religion and all) . It's easy  asking someone to jump from a cliff when he have nothing left for him.It's easy controlling /Brainwashing ppl . Plus the golem tell you this.He just realized it himself when he was a golem.

Killed the Cultists, Ashes not defiled. Genetivi saved.
Reasoning: The cutlist were dumb and screwed up . Genitivi just want to share knowledge of the ashes.Even if the chantry exploit it , its how ppl learn from their mistake..Better than leaving the ashes to ashes in some humid cavern for the rest of eternity.

Loghain dead, Alistair on throne.
Reasoning: I really want to let Loghain live .I'm always meta gaming here(thanks to Allistair) .. Dead ppl don't have sin or regret.

Dark Ritual.
Reasoning: meta gaming . I want to import my character into awakening.

Boon: Not serving the crown but always be here has a friend. I have a witch to track.

[Arrtis]

Knight Templar wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...


I never understand the logic for "good" here. Why let the guy who tried to kill you leave? Do you think he'd have the same mercy on you?

I strive to be better than those I fight.

What is better?
Letting someone live that would have otherwise have killed you?
Thats Alistair talk...