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[The Beatles]

I didn't even think about it like this before. Right on man! What struck me was when you said that "why would the Sb be intrested in destroying himself?" Or something like that. I think you might have gotten it.. I think it's someone we've never met before like the Rolai maybe and with your spec. I think it might be possible. But i don't know haha

Good point.

[The Beatles]

Yeah they do haha

the SB always kinda struck me as something we would never really understand or even meet. When you put it this way I don't think it matters who it is. Your points make me think that the SB is this big network they supplies information. Which it is anyway but, To think about it as an allie or someone nuetral or group or reaper...or whatever When you put it this way I think the SB is this big network working for everyone and it would seem for logical to assume that the SB is just like the rest of us. Is the SB evil? Is the SB is to me atleast, he/she/group needs to pretty freakind powerful and not scared about the Reapers at all. Because like you said, the SB HAS to know about the Reapers.

But if the SB is a reaper, then that is only REAL reason for the SB to be evil. The SB might just be a Reaper. If it isn't I would love for ideas to be it. I've heard everything but yours is the best bet.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Shadow Broker got that Admiral involved in it's little game with the end result of him being killed IIRC. Also the Shadow Broker may or may not have helped the collectors destroy your ship and put you out of action for two years.

It doesn't take much to get on Shepard's list of people to kill, and he earned a spot for sure.

[PWENER]

So his torturing Liara's old partner... but his a good guy? I don't think so.

Abductions, collector deals and all around sneaky stealing, assassination (liara's now "deceased" secretary).

We have enough info on him to safely assume his a bad guy. Also, he obviously tries to kill Shep and co. in the upcoming DLC.

Sorry to burst your bubble OP, but the SB ia a total bad guy. PERIOD.

Modifié par PWENER, 02 septembre 2010 - 05:30 .

[Pacifien]

When the rumors of the Shadow Broker DLC started to sprout up several months ago, I was extremely reticent about the idea. For me, the Shadow Broker is supposed to be much as the Illusive Man is portrayed: a cold, calculating genius. Seemed a much larger figure/organization than could be contained in a DLC. Plus, I didn't like this vibe that the Shadow Broker had entered maniacal villain status. The initial role, from Barla Von's description and how the Shadow Broker was actually successful in showing much displeasure toward Saren, just gave him/her/them/it a great mystique.

I'm trying very hard not to speculate on the upcoming DLC. But I can't deny that a part of me wants the option to leave the Shadow Broker be. Without losing Liara's loyalty if possible.

Modifié par Pacifien, 02 septembre 2010 - 05:27 .

[The Beatles]

^^^ Yes I can agree with that. But from I posted even if the SB is a bad guy..he would have to not fear the Reapers. Unless the SB is just "another" bad guy we have to deal with. It just seems that the SB should have bigger role than just a bad guy.

I can see your point tho.

[Mecha Tengu]

because he upset liara, a rommance option and a popular character



jumping to conclusions = he iz evil

[KainrycKarr]

I don't care if he's evil or not. He tried to sell Shepard to the collectors, and for that a very literal ass-kicking is in order. Hopefully his successor, as I am hoping I can re-utilize his resources, will not be so foolish.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 02 septembre 2010 - 05:37 .

[PWENER]

Elithranduil wrote...

PWENER wrote...

So his torturing Liara's old partner... but his a good guy? I don't think so.

Abductions, collector deals and all around sneaky stealing, assassination (liara's now "deceased" secretary).

We have enough info on him to safely assume his a bad guy. Also, he obviously tries to kill Shep and co. in the upcoming DLC.

Sorry to burst your buuble OP, but the SB ia a total bad guy. PERIOD.

Well I agree he can be ruthless - but that does not necessarily make him the enemy of all sentient life in the Galaxy.

He has unscrupulous morals maybe, and engages in underhanded behaviour in the pursuit of information - but perhaps it's ultimately justified for the greater good.

I think in any Bioware game it's NEVER safe to assume somebody is the bad guy until you get a chance to engage in dialogue with them and hear their side of the story.

Yes, he is obviously trying to kill Shepard and crew but what else did you expect? You are trying to destroy an organisation he has spent a lifetime developing. We're attacking HIS house. It's simply self-defense.

The Shadow Broker is not the kind of character to give up without a fight. I think we have a lot of interesting revelations in store for us. I just cannot accept the Shadow Broker as a 2D villain. It would be an incredible waste of such a fantastic character. I still think they have a place in ME3.

Of course he isn't. Just because we're going after him doesn't mean his a literal villain. The new DLC isn't a "go in, kill a few guards and take out the bad guy". It seems to be like a 20's private eye movie kind of format. We'll follow leads, interrogate and piece everything together. It's doubtful it'll be like previous BW DLC (remember the car chase scene?).

Modifié par PWENER, 02 septembre 2010 - 05:51 .

[Ramgigon]

I think we're supposed to hate him, really, like how in ME1, we were supposed to hate Cerberus, and in ME2, we're supposed to maybe reconsider that stance.

In ME1, he was just a shadowy figure working in the background and providing more than a few plot advancements. Not good, not evil, just extremely influential.

In ME2, he's been transformed into something more sinister, something more hate-able. He tried to sell your body to your enemy, he emotionally wrecked your partner Liara, and then his agent nearly killed her... All in all, he's been reduced to "look at this evil guy, don't you hate him?"



I wouldn't be surprised if LotSB showed him to be some sort of twisted maniac before you do the galaxy a favor and kill him. Which is a pity, 'cause I liked his neutrality in ME1.

[PWENER]

Elithranduil wrote...

PWENER wrote...

Elithranduil wrote...

PWENER wrote...

So his torturing Liara's old partner... but his a good guy? I don't think so.

Abductions, collector deals and all around sneaky stealing, assassination (liara's now "deceased" secretary).

We have enough info on him to safely assume his a bad guy. Also, he obviously tries to kill Shep and co. in the upcoming DLC.

Sorry to burst your buuble OP, but the SB ia a total bad guy. PERIOD.

Well I agree he can be ruthless - but that does not necessarily make him the enemy of all sentient life in the Galaxy.

He has unscrupulous morals maybe, and engages in underhanded behaviour in the pursuit of information - but perhaps it's ultimately justified for the greater good.

I think in any Bioware game it's NEVER safe to assume somebody is the bad guy until you get a chance to engage in dialogue with them and hear their side of the story.

Yes, he is obviously trying to kill Shepard and crew but what else did you expect? You are trying to destroy an organisation he has spent a lifetime developing. We're attacking HIS house. It's simply self-defense.

The Shadow Broker is not the kind of character to give up without a fight. I think we have a lot of interesting revelations in store for us. I just cannot accept the Shadow Broker as a 2D villain. It would be an incredible waste of such a fantastic character. I still think they have a place in ME3.

Of course he isn't. Just because we're going after him doesn't mean his a literal villain. The new DLC isn't a "go in, kill a few guards and take out the bad guy". It seems to be like a 20's private eye movie kind of format. We'll follow leads, interrogate and piece evrything together. It's doubtful it'll be like previous BW DLC (remember the car chase scene?).

I'm not sure I follow. You said before he was a total bad guy, period. And now you say he isn't the literal villain?

On a side note I hope you are right about the private eye aspect of the DLC. Those kind of investigation quests are always a lot of fun compared to running and gunning. Though I imagine there will be a shoot-out at some point haha.

He is and he isn't. Get it? No? Me neither.

[KainrycKarr]

It better have both "puzzles" to an extent, and fights. It's always better to have action, AND intrigue, rather than one or the other.

[War Houndoom]

Pacifien wrote...

When the rumors of the Shadow Broker DLC started to sprout up several months ago, I was extremely reticent about the idea. For me, the Shadow Broker is supposed to be much as the Illusive Man is portrayed: a cold, calculating genius. Seemed a much larger figure/organization than could be contained in a DLC. Plus, I didn't like this vibe that the Shadow Broker had entered maniacal villain status. The initial role, from Barla Von's description and how the Shadow Broker was actually successful in showing much displeasure toward Saren, just gave him/her/them/it a great mystique.

I'm trying very hard not to speculate on the upcoming DLC. But I can't deny that a part of me wants the option to leave the Shadow Broker be. Without losing Liara's loyalty if possible.

Agreed, He is a valuable asset even if it costs Liara's loyalty, I'm assuming you will be given the options of Paragon and Renagade to determine the outcome.

[Skyblade012]

He struck me as "evil" from the very beginning. Turning a blind eye to morality is itself an evil position. When you work alongside the most villainous entities in existence, you cannot acquit yourself because you do not get your own hands bloody. The Shadow Broker barters in information, selling always to the highest bidder. He has worked alongside the Collectors and Saren, and from what we're told in ME1, virtually every other power block in the galaxy, good or ill. He has undoubtedly been a contributing member to horrific acts, supplying intel that fuels the strikes.



You can attempt to justify his collaboration however you want, but it is little more than excuses. How many billions must he help murder for whatever "good" motives he claims? Even if he tried to rationalize his actions (which he never bothered with), how could anyone trust someone who can, and does, change sides with the flip of a coin?



Quite rich, but morally bankrupt. I've been hoping for a chance to rid the galaxy of him since I first heard about him.

[Dakaned]

The Beatles wrote...

Yeah they do haha

the SB always kinda struck me as something we would never really understand or even meet. When you put it this way I don't think it matters who it is. Your points make me think that the SB is this big network they supplies information. Which it is anyway but, To think about it as an allie or someone nuetral or group or reaper...or whatever When you put it this way I think the SB is this big network working for everyone and it would seem for logical to assume that the SB is just like the rest of us. Is the SB evil? Is the SB is to me atleast, he/she/group needs to pretty freakind powerful and not scared about the Reapers at all. Because like you said, the SB HAS to know about the Reapers.

But if the SB is a reaper, then that is only REAL reason for the SB to be evil. The SB might just be a Reaper. If it isn't I would love for ideas to be it. I've heard everything but yours is the best bet.

@bolded I Doubt the Shadow Broker is a Reaper (Okay I admit I'm not a big fan of the idea also lol) anyway It just doesn't make anysense to me if he was one. I mean

#1 If he was a Reaper (even with the goal of gathering info) Once Sovereign  made his move on the citadel, the SB-Reaper's priorities probably would of changed to helping Sovereign out.

(The Alliance/council had a hard enough time with One reaper who happen to be stuck in one spot. Busy with opening the relays add a second reaper to that battle and pretty sure the reapers would of won that day)

#2 If he was Rogue Reaper why would he be making deals with Harbinger (Unless he is trying to join them again) I'm pretty sure the other Reapers would want the Rogue Reaper dead even more than Shepard (Someone who yes killed a Reaper but considered by them to be apart of an lower species)

[upsettingshorts]

Amoral != Evil

[phatpat63]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Amoral != Evil

Facepalm.

[upsettingshorts]

phatpat63 wrote...

Facepalm.

...go on.