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[AresXX7]

I agree with him being neutral & self-serving, as the basis of his/her/it's core.
He does, however, have the mindset of being a puppeteer, pulling on the strings, of information, just enough so that no one can gain an upper hand with the info. While this approach can make him wealthy, it also harbors a tendency to be a control freak in the affairs of others.

It is this, which can make him a threat to galactic stability. Granted, I'm not talking a full scale war between everyone, but enough skirmishes, to hamper any chance(s) of peaceful coexistence, that can result in bigger consequences. All this, in the name of the almighty credit chit.


or, we can just be going along to put a big ol' smile on Liara's face, in the end. 

however you choose to see it 

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
The SB tried to sell Shepard's corpse to the enemies that threaten the survival of all advanced species in the entire galaxy. One things for sure, the SB is very greedy.

Yeah, but that's only something you discover within the course of ME2, even if the Illusive Man suspects it beforehand. For some reason. With his mysterious data.

All the Shadow Broker might have known was that an advanced species wanted Shepard's body for their unknown reasons. The Collectors have been trading tech for specimens for a very long time, with no indication they were preparing to destroy the galaxy.

[MassEffect762]

Who else are we going to kick in the arse?

Good or evil make  little difference when there's an arse kicking quota to meet. lol


On a serious note, he messed with Liara, reason enough for Shepard to rearrange his furniture.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 03 septembre 2010 - 02:15 .

[jlb524]

There is no good/evil....there is the Shadow Broker (who tried to sell Shepard's corpse to the Collectors...tortures poor Feron, etc.) and then there's Liara.



Who's side will you pick?



I'm gonna go with Liara...she's always had my back and is very loyal.

[NICKjnp]

He speaks to a Harbinger possessed drone.... but still. He sold Shepard to the Collectors even after Shepard gave him the data... he's going down like something that goes down.

[jlb524]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

The SB talks directly to Harbinger, I think.  I thought that the SB knew that he was talking to a Reaper, but I'm totally sure on that.  I didn't read Redemption.  I just read the summary on the wiki.

For all we know...he just speaks with the Harbinger possessed Collector General.  There is no indication that he knew it was a Reaper or not.

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
The SB talks directly to Harbinger, I think.  I thought that the SB knew that he was talking to a Reaper, but I'm totally sure on that.  I didn't read Redemption.  I just read the summary on the wiki.

I haven't read the comic either, just depending on the wiki and other people's word. But now that you mention it, I do remember seeing the bit about Harbinger in the comic...

Funny thing is, we're apparently not supposed to know that Harbinger is a Reaper until the end of ME2 when he releases control of the Collector General. At least, I think we're not supposed to know.

From the moment Harbinger was introduced, I just assumed he was a Reaper controlling a Collector. The name, voice, and the fact Sovereign pretty much did the same thing to Saren all told me as much. But after reading through the forums these past few months, I learned that some people didn't know until the end: they thought Harbinger was simply the Collector General.

So if that's supposed to be some great revelation at the end of ME2, then I'm guessing the Shadow Broker isn't supposed to realize just who he's talking to either. Just a Collector.

[Pacifien]

NICKjnp wrote...
He speaks to a Harbinger possessed drone.... but still. He sold Shepard to the Collectors even after Shepard gave him the data... he's going down like something that goes down.

Hey, maybe the Shadow Broker thought the Collectors were going to bring Shepard back to life.

Now I'm just messing with you.

[ExtremeOne]

jlb524 wrote...

There is no good/evil....there is the Shadow Broker (who tried to sell Shepard's corpse to the Collectors...tortures poor Feron, etc.) and then there's Liara.

Who's side will you pick?

I'm gonna go with Liara...she's always had my back and is very loyal.

 



I'm taking Shepard's side 

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
He speaks to a Harbinger possessed drone.... but still. He sold Shepard to the Collectors even after Shepard gave him the data... he's going down like something that goes down.

Hey, maybe the Shadow Broker thought the Collectors were going to bring Shepard back to life.

Now I'm just messing with you.

Yeah... back as a husk.

[Pacifien]

NICKjnp wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Hey, maybe the Shadow Broker thought the Collectors were going to bring Shepard back to life.

Now I'm just messing with you.

Yeah... back as a husk.

Back as the mastermind behind the Human-Reaper, flying across the galaxy to the heart of Council Space. Reaching out his new Reaper hands, he will take hold of the entire Citadel and exclaim "My name is Commander Shepard and this is my favorite Citadel in the galaxy!"

[Inverness Moon]

Elithranduil wrote...

Well I agree he can be ruthless - but that does not necessarily make him the enemy of all sentient life in the Galaxy.

If you do anything to get in the way of Shepard's mission to stop the reapers, you become an enemy of all sentient life in the galaxy.

[HTTP 404]

I dont assume that the Shadow Broker is evil.



Here's a fun fact: Shadow broker tried to sell shepard to the collectors



In my book, I could care less if he/she is evil, they probably deserve to be put down for crossing my character.

[axl99]

In my book Shepard's taken out the collectors, and the next thing on the list are the reapers. If I need to be pissed at SB, I'll have to start with Liara - even without me saying anything she's beating herself up.



SB is just a loose end to tie up. Maybe once we take SB down we can get a fix on where each Cerberus cell member is located and sell the coordinates to the Alliance.

[krasnoarmeets]

Elithranduil wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...
The shadowbroker was trying to sell Shepard's body to the collectors. What part of that could be considered good?

Well, to be fair, Shepard was dead. Most people will accept death as being pretty much final unless they, for some reason, thought Shepard was vital to the survival of the entire galaxy.

So if the Collectors were asking a pretty good price for Shepard's body, don't see why someone wouldn't take the opportunity. Their connection to the Reapers is conjecture, and the Illusive Man never does cough up the data that shows us why he thought the Collectors were agents of the Reapers. Don't even know if he realizes the connection at the time Shepard died, so don't see how the Shadow Broker would either.

Anyway, not to defend the Shadow Broker as some good guy, but never thought him to be an outright bad guy either. Always viewed him as completely neutral, though never taking sides could be viewed as pretty much self-serving, somewhat cowardly, a bit morally bankrupt, and so forth. I think many people place value in a person at least sticking to one ideal or another.

Re: dealing with the body - couldn't have put it better myself. Everyone acts like Shepard has been wronged - but he was dead as dead can be. It's a sensible bargain to strike and one that may have improved the odds slightly in the Galaxy's favour. We just don't know enough, but I'm willing to speculate the Broker has some sort of grand plan in the works we aren't privy to yet.

Self-serving they may be, but it does not follow that they would work for the Reapers in any circumstances short of indoctrination UNLESS they were operating as a double-agent to secretly assist the Citadel races.

They run the greatest information network in the galaxy. Someone mentioned earlier they may be unaware of the connection between the Collectors and the Reapers. Maybe. But they would definitely be able to guess at the hostile intentions of the Collectors in their own right (especially when half of Cerberus seem to casually discuss the issue over coffee on your ship and what not - the Shadow Broker is bound to have some highly placed agents in the faction)

It seems this DLC is more revenge than anything. I'm going to hate to see Liara turned further into an unhinged psychopath (which is where I see this going) in the name of payback.

Yes and how much sympathy/popularity do you think selling someone's corpse would gain you were you to put that in a real world context?  

I think you'd find people would consider you morally bankrupt...

[lovgreno]

They seem to be changing the Shadow Brokers role in the story from being a neutral, enigmatic and powerfull figure that could be both harmfull and helpfull to just another villain. A bit of a shame, I liked him/her/it/them in ME1.

[snfonseka]

If you have a chance to kill The Shadow Broker .... (Poll)

social.bioware.com/23933/polls/2787/

Modifié par snfonseka, 03 septembre 2010 - 08:34 .

[upsettingshorts]

krasnoarmeets wrote...
I think you'd find people would consider you morally bankrupt...

Morally bankrupt doesn't mean evil.  Like my first post in the thread: Amoral != Evil.  Anyway, there are plenty of good reasons to want to off the Shadow Broker, doesn't mean he has to be the Devil incarnate.

lovgreno wrote...

They seem to be changing the Shadow Brokers role in the story from being a neutral, enigmatic and powerfull
figure that could be both harmfull and helpfull to just another villain.A bit of a shame, I liked him/her/it/them in ME1.

I don't think they're changing him at all.  Fact is he made the wrong enemy (Liara).  An enemy who has very powerful friends (Shepard) and it's going to bite him in the rear.

I figure it's an occupational hazard, and there's probly been quite a few Shadow Brokers, some meeting similar fates.  You think someone could do what the Shadow Broker does and not ****** a heck of a lot of people off? 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 septembre 2010 - 08:34 .

[lovgreno]

Good point Upsettingshorts, I stand corrected.

[krasnoarmeets]

Turning a blind eye to evil isn't really worse than committing it yourself, you know. Nor is assisting others in their evil doings. I wouldn't consider selling weapons to someone you know is going to commit evil with them a neutral act, that's for certain. I would consider the gunrunner a party to the crime.

[upsettingshorts]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Turning a blind eye to evil isn't really worse than committing it yourself, you know.

Define evil.  

I wrote...

He sells secrets to the highest bidder.

But greed and ambition are sins, you say.

And we're back to theology. Absolute morality cannot exist without absolute moral authority, and no human concept other than that of God can define good and evil. Nothing else can have the same authority, nothing else can claim to have enough perspective, nothing else can even claim the right of judgement. That's how religion wields moral authority.

Concepts like good and evil are articles of belief.

Emphasis added.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 septembre 2010 - 08:59 .