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[ninja0809]

To let Alistair, wonder off into some unknown land and become a drunk while telling anyone who would listen that he was once a grey warden and a price who could of become King.

OR.....

simply let Anora execute him.

To me i dont know. I think the first choice is really as cruel as the second one. To let alistair live the rest of his life, knowing that his fellow grey warden, a friend or possibly lover, betrayed him to let Loghain live. Knowing that he could of been one of the heroes that helped save Ferelden, knowing that he could of sought vengeance for Duncan or knowing that he could of became king.

What do you guys think?

*YES i know you can simply let him marry Anora, but i already did that in a previous ending so im trying something new*

[sylvanaerie]

To me if you leave him alive, there is always hope that he will regret what happened and recover. If you kill him that kind of squashes that. I've never been able to spare Loghain. Killing him is one of the most satisfying moments in the game for me. The one time I did (to see what he would say in camp) I let Anora exile him.

Murdering the boy just because he had the misfortune of being Maric's child seems unspeakably cruel to me. He never wanted to be king, Eamon pushed it on him and the worst part is no one has anything at all to say to the PC if you do let her kill him without speaking up for him.

That said, the one time I did spare Loghain I spoke to him in camp, satisfied my curiosity and then reloaded and killed the bastard.

[CalJones]

Grrr, hands off my Loggy!



To answer the original question, I've allowed his execution once, and that was in an Alistair hate game. Usually I just have him exiled. It's not his fault that he's Maric's bastard, nor that Eamon is attempting to use him in a power grab. He never wanted the throne, so I blame Eamon more than anyone for his predicament.

However, it is his choice to walk away if you show mercy to Loghain (and there are many compelling reasons to do so, as Riordan puts it), so I wouldn't feel too badly about it. You've given him a chance, at least.

[TJPags]

More merciful? Kill him. It's over and done.



Let him live as a drunk . . . he gets a long life (well, 30 years or so) of regret, second guessing, and self pity.



It's the only good thing about sparing Loghain . . .having Alistair be a drunk . .

[errant_knight]

Hmm... I'd never do any of those things. I harden him so that he wants to be king and then either make him king in my female playthrough, or he makes himself king in my male ones. I don't think I could bring myself to choose one of the other options. They just feel dead wrong to me. If I had to pick, I'd say exile him. He'll loose it and drink for a while, but there's no reason to thing he'd stay that way. At least then he has a chance.

Modifié par errant_knight, 03 septembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I felt killing him is the merciful thing to do (not that it really matters to me) and rebellions that cost a few lives are not raised in his name as such.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 septembre 2010 - 04:35 .

[Reaverwind]

I usually execute Loghain for sheer incompetance. I'd put Alistair on the throne, without Anora, when sparing Loghain.

[ejoslin]

There's the third option, of course, when sparing Loghain -- have Alistair marry Anora. That option actually seems the best. Alistair and Anora do make a good ruling couple, you can still live AND not perform the dark ritual, letting Loghain give his soul to save the country he loves.

Yeh. Cruel to Alistair? Well, it most likely would not be a happy life, but Alistair so often gets the shaft as it is.  I feel bad for him usually.  Only if a femwarden romances him and stays with him does he seem to have a shot at happiness.  In my games, he usually deserves better than what he ends up with. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 septembre 2010 - 05:49 .

[EccentricSage]

My M!Cousland is going to spare Loghain and not allow Alistair's execution. My male Cousland would see a tactical benefit to letting Loghain redeem himself by sacraficing himself in battle, thus sparing himself to be king with Anorra and Alistair to become commander of the Grey Wardens. Of course, he's not going to expect Alistair's temper tantrum.



But he would send Zevran trailing Alistair after the Archdemon is slain, to try to convince him that he made a mistake and can still return to his Grey Wardens and redeem himself. I really think Alistair is smart enough and honorable enough to realize after it's too late that he has shamed himself. And Zevran may have enjoyed picking on him in the past, but he's not an unsympathetic person, and he is skilled in emotional manipulation as an assassin, so it could be doable.



(am writing fic. Slashy slashy fic.)

[MKDAWUSS]

I kill him, for IC Anora's the authoritative figure now and not me, and OOC his lines if you let him leave are just... horrible.

[Giggles_Manically]

If I spare Loghain, Alistair becomes the king.



IF I let Alistair kill Loghain then he also becomes King.

I will get around to making him run off as a drunk.

[Obadiah]

I just don't buy the wandering drunk ending. Alistair just has too big a heart and too many useful skills to not end up saving some damsel in distress if he leaves the party.

[ninja0809]

Obadiah wrote...

I just don't buy the wandering drunk ending. Alistair just has too big a heart and too many useful skills to not end up saving some damsel in distress if he leaves the party.

i agree, since they never really comfirmed it really was him.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Mercy has nothing to do with it. You have no way of knowing what Alistair will do with himself after leaving the Landsmeet. Letting Anora execute him and assuming it's an act of mercy is more 'putting him out of his metagame misery' (if, you know, you even accept the drunken slides as more than mere implication).

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

MariSkep wrote...

ninja0809 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I just don't buy the wandering drunk ending. Alistair just has too big a heart and too many useful skills to not end up saving some damsel in distress if he leaves the party.

i agree, since they never really comfirmed it really was him.

It's definitely him (it's as explicit as what happens to anyone else) but I'm also inclined to believe his idealism would lead him to do something heroic sooner or later. 

No, it's not explicit - it's implicit. They do this with Morrigan as well. I, too, think the 'haggard drunk' is Alistair, and the 'dark haired woman bearing Morrigan's description' is Morrigan , but the fact is the slides only imply their identies (fairly heavily, but still).

[casedawgz]

Nothing is as merciful as this-

[LadyDamodred]

Obadiah wrote...

I just don't buy the wandering drunk ending. Alistair just has too big a heart and too many useful skills to not end up saving some damsel in distress if he leaves the party.

Agreed.  I think he would spend some time being really depressed, but would eventually pull himself out of it.

And like others have said, when the decision must be made, you have no idea what's going to happen in the future.  So executing him, especially if you romanced or befriended him, is a really terrible thing to do.

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sylvanaerie wrote...

To me if you leave him alive, there is always hope that he will regret what happened and recover. If you kill him that kind of squashes that. I've never been able to spare Loghain. Killing him is one of the most satisfying moments in the game for me. The one time I did (to see what he would say in camp) I let Anora exile him.
Murdering the boy just because he had the misfortune of being Maric's child seems unspeakably cruel to me. He never wanted to be king, Eamon pushed it on him and the worst part is no one has anything at all to say to the PC if you do let her kill him without speaking up for him.
That said, the one time I did spare Loghain I spoke to him in camp, satisfied my curiosity and then reloaded and killed the bastard.

I feel the same as you except I played a playthrough that let him live to the end.  I found it fascinating to change his mind, redeem himself, then make the US for Ferelden. that was the best loose end tied for a former hero.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Agreed.  I think he would spend some time being really depressed, but would eventually pull himself out of it.

That depends on whether you believe that Alistair would have pulled himself out of his post-Ostagar depression on his own.
 
But I guess the chance is still there.

And you know my argument about the supposed terriblness of executing him, so I won't get into that.

[Addai]

Kill him to save him from some depression?! That seems... really extreme. Let him have a chance to work it out himself. People do pick themselves up even from very low places.

[Elhanan]

Have never chosen either of those options... FTW!

[Herr Uhl]

I'm getting concerned that people will want to kill all the depressed drunks in the world now, out of mercy.



Come on, that is ridiculous.



Whether killing him or letting him go is the smart thing to do, well that is another question. But I can't see how killing him would be a positive from his point of view.