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[nos_astra]

I let Alistair wander off. It's a heavy blow for him but I think he will be able move on. Heck, he does have the potential to rule a country and he can even impress Anora enough to let him influence her, you'd think there is a bit of strength in him.

[Wulfram]

From all we're told about the Grey Wardens, the taint in his blood wouldn't allow Alistair to stay in that tavern even if he wanted to.

[CalJones]

Well he's got nearly 30 years to kill... Unless he's one of the unlucky ones who succumbs to the taint more quickly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Kill him to save him from some depression?! That seems... really extreme. Let him have a chance to work it out himself. People do pick themselves up even from very low places.

I never said that. I was simply questioning whether he would pick himself up.
As I said before, it didn't matter to me when I made the decision.  

[ejoslin]

MariSkep wrote...

ninja0809 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I just don't buy the wandering drunk ending. Alistair just has too big a heart and too many useful skills to not end up saving some damsel in distress if he leaves the party.

i agree, since they never really comfirmed it really was him.

It's definitely him (it's as explicit as what happens to anyone else) but I'm also inclined to believe his idealism would lead him to do something heroic sooner or later. 

It's been confirmed that it's him (DA2 accounts for a drunk Alistair).

I think Alistair breaks if you spare Loghain and spare his life and keep him single.  And once someone gets into that drinking cycle, yeh, it could ruin him.  Big heart or no (and he does have a big heart), that type of betrayal can make anyone bitter.  Add non-stop drinking to the mix for a few years, and you have a shell of the person who once was.    

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...

I think Alistair breaks if you spare Loghain and spare his life and keep him single.  And once someone gets into that drinking cycle, yeh, it could ruin him.  Big heart or no (and he does have a big heart), that type of betrayal can make anyone bitter.  Add non-stop drinking to the mix for a few years, and you have a shell of the person who once was.    

*wants something where you follow Oghren pre-Branka leaving*

To see if their cases are as similar as I suspect that they may be.

[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I think Alistair breaks if you spare Loghain and spare his life and keep him single.  And once someone gets into that drinking cycle, yeh, it could ruin him.  Big heart or no (and he does have a big heart), that type of betrayal can make anyone bitter.  Add non-stop drinking to the mix for a few years, and you have a shell of the person who once was.    

*wants something where you follow Oghren pre-Branka leaving*

To see if their cases are as similar as I suspect that they may be.

They could be.  But I have a feeling that Alistair would be more easy to crush, and that the betrayal of choosing Loghain would be more damaging to his psyche than Branka leaving was to Oghren's.  And Oghren was broken, but had hope.  Alistair as a drunk would have no hope, only bitterness.

[CalJones]

Oghren's a good example of a bitter drunk - had the Warden not gone to Orzammar then he probably would have drunk himself to death, or into a situation which resulted in him joining the Legion of the Dead, perhaps.

Even with the Warden's help he doesn't change a huge amount. From Awakening we can see his attempt to settle down and have a family doesn't work out so well. (The only way it does work out is if the Warden does the US and Awakening doesn't happen).

Still, I'm not sure an unhardened Alistair is even as strong as Oghren. But sometimes people surprise us.

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...
It's been confirmed that it's him (DA2 accounts for a drunk Alistair).

I think Alistair breaks if you spare Loghain and spare his life and keep him single.  And once someone gets into that drinking cycle, yeh, it could ruin him.  Big heart or no (and he does have a big heart), that type of betrayal can make anyone bitter.  Add non-stop drinking to the mix for a few years, and you have a shell of the person who once was.    

Is this a decision you can import to DA2? Because I thought it was just some wandering guy who may or may not bear a passing resemblance to Alistair.

And it doesn't quite make sense for BioWare if they give you the option to have Alistair as king in Awakenings and then take it away in DA2.

Modifié par Monica21, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:15 .

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
It's been confirmed that it's him (DA2 accounts for a drunk Alistair).

I think Alistair breaks if you spare Loghain and spare his life and keep him single.  And once someone gets into that drinking cycle, yeh, it could ruin him.  Big heart or no (and he does have a big heart), that type of betrayal can make anyone bitter.  Add non-stop drinking to the mix for a few years, and you have a shell of the person who once was.    

Is this a decision you can import to DA2? Because I thought it was just some wandering guy who may or may not bear a passing resemblance to Alistair.

And it doesn't quite make sense for BioWare if they give you the option to have Alistair as king in Awakenings and then take it away in DA2.

No, it's a decision you import. I thought that would be clear.  It's not canon, but if he's a drunk in your epilogue, he's a drunk in DA2.

Edit: That's why I said it "accounts for," not that that is the only option. It also accounts for King Alistair, Gray Warden Alistair, and dead Alistair.  If I get DA2, I'll have to have a "drunk Alistair" save just because I want to see him in the Freemarshes!

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:31 .

[nos_astra]

ejoslin wrote...
It's been confirmed that it's him (DA2 accounts for a drunk Alistair).

Where has it been confirmed? I've only seen rumours heaped upon rumours yet.

[ejoslin]

klarabella wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
It's been confirmed that it's him (DA2 accounts for a drunk Alistair).

Where has it been confirmed? I've only seen rumours heaped upon rumours yet.

*grin* I am not going to hunt it down, but in one of the discussions regarding the live stream, someone asked about it and said it was confirmed.  Since I didn't see the live stream, I could be wrong.  But I don't think someone would say that unless it had been.

[Lumikki]

ninja0809 wrote...

What do you guys think?

I let Alistair to kill ArchDemon and die. This way he get statue and will be hero to all in Ferelden.

[Merilsell]

I don't know if I could picture him ever getting out of the hole of remorse and bitterness again after this sort of scenario, actually.

*curls into a ball*

[RGC_Ines]

I never let Alistair go away, If I don't plan to made him a King, or if I don't want to kill Loghain I always execute Alistair. First, it's quick death for him, so he will no suffer by another 30 years as a drunkar and will not have nightmares. Second, I will not let someone, who knows so many things about GW go away ( Duncan never let poor Jory go, right?). And at last, if someone leave me right before final battle, when I need as much support as I can get, only becouse I take another man to team ( and to be honest, it's not just a "man", it's talented general and powerfull warrior), I take it like ours friendship is over..I can understand that Loghain killed Alistair's dad-like Duncan and half brother Cailan, but for GW the Archdemon's death is the most important thing, and they should work together to defeat a Blight ( well, after that, Alistair could always use Zevran's help to finish his buisness with Loghain)

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

I never execute him. Fereldon is on the edge of ruin and destruction my Warden is just hoping Alistair is being idiotic and his bloodlust is getting the better of him, and he will come around. Never happens as everyone knows, but I would rather have that chance of one more Grey Warden than knowing I have only three from a non meta gaming point of view.



As for what is more merciful. I think giving him his own chance to come to amends with his rage and regrets is a lot more merciful than denying him that chance by execution.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Kill him to save him from some depression?! That seems... really extreme. Let him have a chance to work it out himself. People do pick themselves up even from very low places.

I never said that. I was simply questioning whether he would pick himself up.
As I said before, it didn't matter to me when I made the decision.  

I'm responding to the OP's question.

[Addai]

RGC_Ines wrote...

I never let Alistair go away, If I don't plan to made him a King, or if I don't want to kill Loghain I always execute Alistair. First, it's quick death for him, so he will no suffer by another 30 years as a drunkar and will not have nightmares. Second, I will not let someone, who knows so many things about GW go away ( Duncan never let poor Jory go, right?). And at last, if someone leave me right before final battle, when I need as much support as I can get, only becouse I take another man to team ( and to be honest, it's not just a "man", it's talented general and powerfull warrior), I take it like ours friendship is over..I can understand that Loghain killed Alistair's dad-like Duncan and half brother Cailan, but for GW the Archdemon's death is the most important thing, and they should work together to defeat a Blight ( well, after that, Alistair could always use Zevran's help to finish his buisness with Loghain)

So Alistair deserves to die for not taking the Blight seriously for five minutes while he's mad, but Loghain...

Never mind.

[Merilsell]

Oh I see this evolve into the next Loghain/Alistair Landsmeet thread. Just you watch.

*gets herself some popcorn*

[RGC_Ines]

Addai67 wrote...

So Alistair deserves to die for not taking the Blight seriously for five minutes while he's mad, but Loghain...

Never mind.

Well it's just only my opinion, but..Loghain at the start of the game, don't belive, thet  it's truly " Blight", while Alistair know it for sure, especially at the end of game. There's difference. Alistair knows, that only GW can kill  the Archdemon, also he knows, that there, in a Ferelden it's only 3 GW right now ( PC, Alistair and Riordan), and there's always chance, that before they will be able to reach the Archdemon, they can easlily die in the battle, so more GWs=better. That's why I accept Riordan's offer, and in my first playtrought I had hope that Alistair will be smarter and will stay with us, or at last, he will re-join to us in a Redclife, the last night before battle. But I think, that Devs needed more " drama" for theirs DR, so they didn't allow to have two fresh,  male GW, to make for those female players who romanced with Alistair, decision about DR more "hard" and more " bitter-sweet" ending. 

[Addai]

Alistair doesn't know why GWs are needed to kill the archdemon. Neither of you do at the LM.



@Mariskep: So you'll be advocating a widespread culling of orphans and single people, then? Greeeaat. Love the internet.

[Gilsa]

Would you kill Morrigan because she doesn't stay to fight if you refuse the dark ritual? She's outlived her usefulness.