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[RavenousBear]

I thought it was very clear that sparing Alistair was the more merciful choice in that scenario. Sure, he goes down in the gutters immediately after the Blight ended, but I believe there is a chance he can recover and continue fighting the darkspawn.



By executing him, you are throwing out any opportunity for him to help in the future. Even if he hated the Warden's guts (especially during the Connor dilemma) he stands by the Warden for most of the game. I think executing him right on the spot for "mercy" is just crazy.

[RGC_Ines]

Addai67 wrote...

Alistair doesn't know why GWs are needed to kill the archdemon. Neither of you do at the LM.

Well maybe he don't know why, but I have feelings that  he knows, that GW is necessery for that. Even Flemeth said, that we both have to do everything to stop the Blight, so endure a Loghain's presence for a few days it's not too much. Do You think, that Duncan could be refuse Loghain as a Warden, if Alistair would be dead, becouse of his betrayer?  Duncan knew that he need everyone and help from every sources he could get so Loghain would be a third GW  almost for sure ( well, maye after Blight there could be an accident but still). Anyway, I don't want to argue. As I said it's my opinion, and it's my version of story in my DA:O. Fortunetly we all are able to play a game in a way we like the most. So good fun for everyone

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Alistair doesn't know why GWs are needed to kill the archdemon. Neither of you do at the LM.

Oh, so now that's a valid argument. But when we use it for Loghain, it's not

[KnightofPhoenix]

MariSkep wrote...
Correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't argument that it's known Wardens identify Blights and not that Wardens are the only ones who can kill archdemons?

I think that's what Addai is saying and yes she is correct. We didn't actually know about how the archdemon if killed by a non-Warden can come back to life.
We initially only knew that Wardens can sense when a blight is coming, in addition of having a handy ability of sensing darkspawn (which is also a weakness as the darkspawn sense them). But that does not imply that only they can kill an archdemon.

So Alistair didn't know, which I find very surprising, why didn't Duncan tell him? He was a 6 month old Warden. Was there a specific time needed for you to be a Warden for you to know? Didn't Duncan think that with his pathetic numbers and the blight being immediate, he should have told all Wardens about this handy secret and thus prepare them for the possibility of having to kill the archdemon? Didn't Duncan trust Alistair enough for the info?

If you really think about it, I think it was all directed into that Landsmeet choice and it certainly feels forced that way.
Of course the question is. Had Alistair known, would he have changed his mind? Because he seemed to care more about Warden "honor" than efficiency and necessity.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 septembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[MKDAWUSS]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

MariSkep wrote...
Correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't argument that it's known Wardens identify Blights and not that Wardens are the only ones who can kill archdemons?

I think that's what Addai is saying and yes she is correct. We didn't actually know about how the archdemon if killed by a non-Warden can come back to life.
We initially only knew that Wardens can sense when a blight is coming, in addition of having a handy ability of sensing darkspawn (which is also a weakness as the darkspawn sense them). But that does not imply that only they can kill an archdemon.

So Alistair didn't know, which I find very surprising, why didn't Duncan tell him? He was a 6 month old Warden. Was there a specific time needed for you to be a Warden for you to know? Didn't Duncan think that with his pathetic numbers and the blight being immediate, he should have told all Wardens about this handy secret and thus prepare them for the possibility of having to kill the archdemon? Didn't Duncan trust Alistair enough for the info?

If you really think about it, I think it was all directed into that Landsmeet choice and it certainly feels forced that way.
Of course the question is. Had Alistair known, would he have changed his mind? Because he seemed to care more about Warden "honor" than efficiency and necessity.

And a bigger question is, if the AD showed up at Ostagar, would Cailan have been allowed to make the finishing blow?

I think why he didn't tell Alistair was because the chances of him having to face the AD were slim -- it would have been Duncan and the higher-ups who would have engaged it far before he would.

[KnightofPhoenix]

MKDAWUSS wrote...
And a bigger question is, if the AD showed up at Ostagar, would Cailan have been allowed to make the finishing blow?

I think why he didn't tell Alistair was because the chances of him having to face the AD were slim -- it would have been Duncan and the higher-ups who would have engaged it far before he would.

HA! I can certainly imagien it going like this

*Archdemon badly injured*

Cailan: "Aha! The archdemon shall fall by my rightheous blade! Glorious!!"

*Duncan slaps Cailan aside and kills the archdemon*

Cailan: "Hey!! That's not fair he was mine!!...Duncan?....why are you lying on the floor motionless? You can at least try to strike a glorious pose after my stolen victory you know"


About Alistair's chance of facing an archdemon being slim. Well the Wardens weren't exactly that numerous. Couple of dozens maybe? Every single one of them counts.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 septembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[Addai]

MariSkep wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

@Mariskep: So you'll be advocating a widespread culling of orphans and single people, then? Greeeaat. Love the internet.

Well, Alistair is a potential threat to the stability you've created. He's also out lived his usefulness if he won't fight alongside Loghain. What's wrong with killing him?

So because he's not useful to you, he dies?  That's very god-like of you.  Just who do you think you are?

If you think he's a threat and Loghain is not, that seems very gullible.  One has spent the entire game trying to destroy the Wardens and kill you personally, the other has supported you through thick and thin, but what he says in a moment of anger and feeling betrayed is more significant than Loghain's sudden turn on a dime into a meek puppy dog.

[KnightofPhoenix]

MariSkep wrote...
Loghain gets fed to Archie to guarantee and easy transition for me into Teryn of Gwenar. Everyone wins.

And by everyone I mean me. 

Thing is, you don't really know that a Warden needed to be "fed" to the Archie at the landsmeet. What if the archie dies and both you and Loghain live?

And you can have Alistair on the throne and still be Teyrn of Gwaren. Unless you wanted to be Prince Consort and Teyrn of Gwaren at the same time, then you'd have a stronger argument.  

[Virginian]

Leaving Alistair alive is the paragon thing to do.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Virginian wrote...

Leaving Alistair alive is the paragon thing to do.

No, it actually rewards you with light side points.

[ICevoL]

Just to be clear - This answer is to the OP.

I think how you're RP-ing your warden can have a big impact on what the "merciful" solution to this particular either/or would be. Purposly ignoring the metagame knowledge of how the AD is slain and the end slide info, I can see Wardens of certain backgrounds thinking that exile is worse than death. The Dwarf Noble and Dalish Elf come to mind as PC Wardens who would (potentially) think of death as preferable (i.e more merciful), depending on his/her personality.

Just my 2 cents...

Modifié par ICevoL, 07 septembre 2010 - 05:25 .

[CalJones]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

HA! I can certainly imagien it going like this

*Archdemon badly injured*

Cailan: "Aha! The archdemon shall fall by my rightheous blade! Glorious!!"

*Duncan slaps Cailan aside and kills the archdemon*

Cailan: "Hey!! That's not fair he was mine!!...Duncan?....why are you lying on the floor motionless? You can at least try to strike a glorious pose after my stolen victory you know"


About Alistair's chance of facing an archdemon being slim. Well the Wardens weren't exactly that numerous. Couple of dozens maybe? Every single one of them counts.

This is why I love you, KoP.