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[Merced256]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

Even if they did it like that then they would still have to explain flemeth's involvement. And considering blights don't really directly effect dwarves in terms of threat to life, why would dwarves flee their ancestral home that has stood against the dark spawn for xxxx years?

 Dwarves have far less because of on-coming blights than most. I though it was clear that the Dwarves were teetering on the brink of annihilation.

The impression i got reading all the codex entries for orzammar was that they were at one time on the brink of annihilation till an aeducan general saved the city. That was at the very least hundreds of years before DA:O takes place, and i'm too lazy to look it up specifically. Also a common foe that wants to wipe you out will generally unify a group of people, so why the civil unrest over whose king if they have to worry about waking up the next day?

[B3taMaxxx]

biomag wrote...
You should try out Alpha Protocol... no replay value, as you can be just a human male... still it has more than, what 6 endings?...and a whole load of alternative paths to take to get there... but yes, basically its just 1 playthrough being male and afterwards its all the same...

 You miss the obvious. There is no interesting depth in unique builds, the charcaters are uterly boring and the actual 'challenge' factor is nil.

[Knight Templar_]

Merced256 wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

Even if they did it like that then they would still have to explain flemeth's involvement. And considering blights don't really directly effect dwarves in terms of threat to life, why would dwarves flee their ancestral home that has stood against the dark spawn for xxxx years?

 Dwarves have far less because of on-coming blights than most. I though it was clear that the Dwarves were teetering on the brink of annihilation.

The impression i got reading all the codex entries for orzammar was that they were at one time on the brink of annihilation till an aeducan general saved the city. That was at the very least hundreds of years before DA:O takes place, and i'm too lazy to look it up specifically. Also a common foe that wants to wipe you out will generally unify a group of people, so why the civil unrest over whose king if they have to worry about waking up the next day?

They are constantly moving toward annihilation, but they endure. I'm sure there is a metaphor in that somewhere.

[B3taMaxxx]

Merced256 wrote...

so why the civil unrest over whose king if they have to worry about waking up the next day?

 Because, as was eluded to, Dwarves care far more for politics than actual survivarbility.

[Daerog]

Faz432 wrote...

One of the reasons I'm bringing this up is because I personally found the replayabilty in DOA was in the fact I could play with different Races, what's the replayabilty going to be like in DA2?

I can play as a male human Hawke and be good or bad

I can play as a female human Hawke and be good or bad

That's it..

Eh, not so bad. KotOR, Jade Empire, and ME weren't so bad in my opinion. Don't have to go complete good or bad. Could go anti-chantry/pro-chantry, anti-mage/pro-mage, greedy/charitable, family-focused/power-focused, etc.
Or, could do what I do sometimes, play the exact same way about three times because it was your favorite playthrough.

[Faz432]

Getting back on topic would it not be as easy as opening the script and making 2 additional copies.

In one you change all the references of 'Lothering' and 'Human' to 'Alienage' and 'Elf' and in the other 'Denerim' and 'Dwarf' etc?

Obviously you'd have to restyle the Hawke family into Elf and Dwarf versions but that's just as easy.





@DaerogTheDhampirare you really gonna do that? or after 1 playthrough are you going to think 'what's the point?'

Modifié par Faz432, 02 septembre 2010 - 08:49 .

[B3taMaxxx]

Faz432 wrote...

Getting back on topic would it not be as easy as opening the script and making 2 additional copies.

In one you change all the references of 'Lothering' and 'Human' to 'Alienage' and 'Elf' and in the other 'Denerim' and 'Dwarf' etc?

Obviously you'd have to restyle the Hawke family into Elf and Dwarf versions but that's just as easy.

 It's only  money afterall.

[Daerog]

Faz432 wrote...

Getting back on topic would it not be as easy as opening the script and making 2 additional copies.

In one you change all the references of 'Lothering' and 'Human' to 'Alienage' and 'Elf' and in the other 'Denerim' and 'Dwarf' etc?

Obviously you'd have to restyle the Hawke family into Elf and Dwarf versions but that's just as easy.

Well, it would mess up the timeline if they changed from Lothering. Lothering was attacked by darkspawn, causing the family to flee. Denerim was attacked about a year later and the Warden saved Denerim, and the Warden did not save Lothering. As for an alienage, I don't know if there was one in Lothering or not, or where others are besides an alienage near Highever (wherever the bride/groom comes from) and one in Denerim.

If all cases started in Lothering, there is still the issue of reprogramming Bethany and tweaking the family and whatever the status the family is in Kirkwall.

[Faz432]

How much money does it cost?

notepad will find and replace all instances of a word for you, hardly time consuming.

The point is, is it really that difficult for Bioware to do?

Modifié par Faz432, 02 septembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Anarya]

Faz432 wrote...

How much money does it cost?

notepad will find and replace all instances of a word for you, hardly time consuming.

This does not work in a fully voiced RPG.

[B3taMaxxx]

Faz432 wrote...

How much money does it cost?

notepad will find and replace all instances of a word for you, hardly time consuming.

 You think this is an easy undertaking?

[upsettingshorts]

I imagine if it was simple they'd probably do it. The fact that they not only aren't but announced it so early leads me to believe that Hawke's humanity is either integral to the story, or having multiracial characters would be a burden to the development schedule.

I know quoting oneself is bad form but, seriously people.  They aren't being petty, or doing it to annoy you, they made a development decision - and decided to treat us like adults by letting us know well in advance.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 septembre 2010 - 09:01 .

[Faz432]

Ok yes you'd have to get the voice actors to say 'Dwarf' or 'Elf'



I think there's a lot of nit picking going on here..

[Daerog]

Faz432 wrote...



@DaerogTheDhampirare you really gonna do that? or after 1 playthrough are you going to think 'what's the point?'

Sure, why not? I loved my mage playthrough, so I've played it a full three times. Like watching a favorite movie again. I don't watch a movie once if I like it, I watch it multiple times. I replayed Jade Empire recently as well, so I don't really mean I play three times the same way in the same month or whatever. I played evil once on KotOR, played good the same way the other three times.

[biomag]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

biomag wrote...
You should try out Alpha Protocol... no replay value, as you can be just a human male... still it has more than, what 6 endings?...and a whole load of alternative paths to take to get there... but yes, basically its just 1 playthrough being male and afterwards its all the same...

 You miss the obvious. There is no interesting depth in unique builds, the charcaters are uterly boring and the actual 'challenge' factor is nil.

To be honest I don't think anything is more boring and a huger misinterpretation of RPGs than classes and "builds". Pretty much missing the point of a RPG.

[Anarya]

Faz432 wrote...

Ok yes you'd have to get the voice actors to say 'Dwarf' or 'Elf'

I think there's a lot of nit picking going on here..

Which would require the VA to rerecord the whole line. You can't just cut the same sound clip into every line. It'd sound like a bad text-to-speech program.

But that's not really important. Hawke's being human is most likely important to the story.

[B3taMaxxx]

Faz432 wrote...

Ok yes you'd have to get the voice actors to say 'Dwarf' or 'Elf'

I think there's a lot of nit picking going on here..

 On both sides of the table, no? BW wants to tell us a story, I'm willing to read/play.

[Never]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Faz432 wrote...



@DaerogTheDhampirare you really gonna do that? or after 1 playthrough are you going to think 'what's the point?'

Sure, why not? I loved my mage playthrough, so I've played it a full three times. Like watching a favorite movie again. I don't watch a movie once if I like it, I watch it multiple times. I replayed Jade Empire recently as well, so I don't really mean I play three times the same way in the same month or whatever. I played evil once on KotOR, played good the same way the other three times.

I always start out a new character saying, ok, this is gonna be my evil one! But they are usually all very similar to my "main" playthrough.

[B3taMaxxx]

biomag wrote...

To be honest I don't think anything is more boring and a huger misinterpretation of RPGs than classes and "builds". Pretty much missing the point of a RPG.

 I can see that point of view, however this is one of my many top reasons I like or dislike a paticular title.

 I'm sorry I miss the point of RPGs, I will try harder?

[Dave of Canada]

New models.



New voice actors. (Not only for Hawke but your family and those who reference you by race)



It would be extremely difficult.

[Faz432]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Ok yes you'd have to get the voice actors to say 'Dwarf' or 'Elf'

I think there's a lot of nit picking going on here..

 On both sides of the table, no? BW wants to tell us a story, I'm willing to read/play.

As am I but surely we are being limited to just 1 story instead of 2 or 3.

Dave of Canada wrote...

New models.

New voice actors. (Not only for Hawke but your family and those who reference you by race)

It would be extremely difficult.

Models exist

Same voice actors

Not difficult

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In fact it is only as difficult as making a female version of Hawke.

Like I said it's only a case of changing the references, from Male to Female to Elf to Dwarf.

Modifié par Faz432, 02 septembre 2010 - 09:10 .

[SirGladiator]

Yeah, it'd be much easier to do than some folks seem to think. I think basicly what it came down to was, they just weren't willing to let Hawke the Elf or Hawke the Dwarf sound like Hawke the Human. The idea that they could simply have the same accent from living in Lothering is a rather obvious solution, but for some reason they rejected that, or possibly they simply never thought of it. I don't think it's something like the fear of changing the word 'Human' to 'Dwarf' in a few spots, that is indeed easy enough to do. It would also be quite easy to make Elf and Dwarf versions of the family, who here hasn't played with the Character Creator enough to know how easy that is?



Even the seemingly difficult problem of 'How could Bethany be a mage, if she's a dwarf?' could actually be turned into a positive. As surface dwarves, it could simply be that their family had been above ground long enough that the effect of the lyrium-exposure had worn off enough to let her be one. Or it could be some other, more mysterious reason that we'd have to play the game to find out. Something like that would make a pretty interesting storyline, it's a positive and not a negative at all.



So for all those reasons, I think it would've definitely been for the best to keep the options that everybody liked in the first game and everybody wanted in the second one. Nobody's perfect, not even Bioware, and this was simply a mistake on their part. Doesn't mean the game won't be great, it just means it could've been even better.

[Anarya]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Ok yes you'd have to get the voice actors to say 'Dwarf' or 'Elf'

I think there's a lot of nit picking going on here..

 On both sides of the table, no? BW wants to tell us a story, I'm willing to read/play.

This is really what it boils down to for me, and why I'm not mad about the lack of origins or not getting to play my Warden again.

[B3taMaxxx]

Faz432 wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Ok yes you'd have to get the voice actors to say 'Dwarf' or 'Elf'

I think there's a lot of nit picking going on here..

 On both sides of the table, no? BW wants to tell us a story, I'm willing to read/play.

As am I but surely we are being limited to just 1 story instead of 2 or 3.

 I think, as they have eluded towards, that there will be many stories in which one can create.


 I don't know how much more they need to pound into our heads that yes, you are the Champion of Kirkwall, but how you become so is entirely dependant upon you.

 This alone could offer much variety.

Modifié par B3taMaxxx, 02 septembre 2010 - 09:11 .