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[Quill74Pen]

Every damn dialogue choice after the final battle against the damnable Archdemon seems to lead to that SOB taking the final blow. God Almighty! What did the programmers do?! Make it so your character can't do the US if she's in a relationship with Alistair?!

Man. The next time I go in, it'll be the FOURTH time I've fought that battle. FOURTH! My PS3 froze the first time, and the last two attempts I've inadvertently triggered Alistair's heroic sacrifice.

That does it. The next time, I'm killing Alistair* in that final scene, then doing the US. There. Now neither character will be around to grieve the other's death. SHEESH.

Quill74Pen (*yes, I know you can't kill Alistair ... this isn't the first Final Battle I've fought, for goodness' sake)

[Avilia]

You can leave him at the gate with Riordan.



Apologies if you've tried that...otherwise, yes, I feel your frustration.

[Quill74Pen]

I give up. What's the EXACT dialogue tree choice I have to follow in order to get the US? I really give up. Give up. Quit. Pissed off. Furious. Angry. Spitting nails. This makes me want to toss DA in a dark corner and forget all about it.

Quill74Pen

[Never]

You can't bring him with you to fight the archdemon. He's too damned sweet.

[Quill74Pen]

ARGH!!!! If I ever pick up DA again, Alistair is NOT coming with my character into the Final Battle. NOT. NEVER. EVER. Drop dead, you SOB. I used to like him ... hell, my character romanced him, but this is absolutely ridiculous. Sigh. OK. This will be my last attempt. The only option I haven't used is that Grey Warden duty thing that both characters have.

Quill74Pen

[Never]

No, he'll always take the killing blow if you romanced him. You need to not choose him for your party in Denerim. Let him man the gates!

[ObserverStatus]

The game really needs an option to hook Zevran up with Morrigan in order to survive the Archdemon.

[Never]

An option to spike Zevran's drink with darkspawn blood! I like it...

[Quill74Pen]

mynameisdanza wrote...

You can't bring him with you to fight the archdemon. He's too damned sweet.

Yeah, so I'm remembering the *hard* way. Let's see ... I've spent about an hour now, fighting and refighting the final battle in an attempt to make the correct dialogue choices.

Y'know, I like DA. But situations like this really take the shine off of it. Really. After this, I'm leaving DA and DAO for awhile ... going back to MAG. Jesus. At least with MAG, you can take your frustrations out on enemy troops controlled by real, live people. (STAY AWAY FROM MY BUNKER!!! No? I WARNED YOU!!! **fires RPG at armored vehicle**)

Quill74Pen

[Never]

Heh, I replayed the Landsmeet a bazillion times, trying to avoid the fight. I wanted to get the majority vote damnit!

[Quill74Pen]

mynameisdanza wrote...

No, he'll always take the killing blow if you romanced him. You need to not choose him for your party in Denerim. Let him man the gates!

Good grief. So now I have to select a save file from the gates of Denerim and refight through the city again. OK, that's it. I'm putting DA up for the night. I've wasted several hours of my life that I'll never get back because I didn't know this little tidbit.

Next time I pop the game in, I'll take Shale in Alistair's place. At least she won't be so driven to do the deed.

Quill74Pen

[CalJones]

Even if he dumped you after Landsmeet, he won't let you do it. There are two options. As others have said, leave him at the gate. Or, if you can find it, there's a mod that lets you punch him out so he can't take the final blow if you do take him to fight the AD.

[Quill74Pen]

CalJones:

I play on the PS3, so a mod isn't an option. That leaves fighting through the city again with a different party makeup.

I wish I'd known this sooner. Sigh. Better late than never, but, right now, I really have lost a good deal of respect for the DA programmers. Odds are, it'll come back after a good night's rest but, really, this is the sort of crap that needs to be relayed to players who have a FINITE amount of time to play these sorts of games. After all, I have RL obligations to attend to.

Quill74Pen

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Wow, chill, Quill. If you had time in your life to play through the entire game, you'll have time to redo the final battle.

[Quill74Pen]

"Chill, Quill," rhymes, you know. I like it.

[mousestalker]

It's happened to me as well. Next playthrough, romance Zevran. He's a lot sweeter than you initially think. He's fanatically loyal if you treat him well and he never, ever has a temper tanrum at the Landsmeet or takes the final blow.

[Maconbar]

Maybe this is one of the reasons Alistair is a good character. He doesn't do exactly what you want him to do. I think that his willingness to sacrifice himself to save his love is admirable. I applaud BW for creating a character like that. I like to think that if I were in Alistair's shoes that I would do the same.

[ejoslin]

My first playthrough that happened -- I LOVED it. The whole end game had me in complete shock. I was so used to being the all-powerful one, then suddenly all these things are happening which I have no control over. I cried so much, from happiness and heartbreak. I initiated Zevran's romance after the Landsmeet dumping and, wow, what an incredible roller coaster ride for an ending.



As an aside, Zevran's romance is better if you do it slowly instead of rushed like I did that first game, but, gah, the whole ending to that playthrough was unforgettable.

[DWSmiley]

I do sympathize Quill but I suspect that after a good rest you'll be more of a mind that it's not a fail on BW's part to have npc's with their own agenda and the determination to stick with it. And Alistair is not the only love interest who makes a dramatic, plot-changing decision near the end, as I discovered on my first playthrough.

[tuppence95]

<And edited again to add:  Ack, sorry, I just noticed that you said you can't use mods.>

Yes, the above posters are correct.  If you are in a romance with Alistair, there is no way that he will allow you to sacrifice yourself.  He will always take the killing blow himself if he is in your party.  But there's a mod (I think it's tmp's?) that will allow you to knock him out and take the blow yourself.

Edited to add:  tmp's Fort Drakon-knock out option is part of cmessaz's Improved Romance Scenes and Fixes - Alistair.
http://social.biowar...m/project/2573/

Modifié par tuppence95, 02 septembre 2010 - 01:46 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Quill, I feel your pain (and started an equally outraged thread upon completion of my playthrough with that ending). In the end I had to accept it as the only ending I had allowed myself, because I wouldn't do the DR and I couldn't bring myself to leave him at the gate. (I also play on the PS3, so no knockout mods for me, either.) I don't have a problem with BioWare forcing this ending on me --after all, my PC spent the whole battle trying to manipulate things (including Holding the other characters and/or setting their tactics to ignore enemies higher than Elite rank) so that she was the one who killed the Archdemon and spared Alistair; so why is he not allowed to do all he can to save her?-- but I hated that my PC wasn't given a chance to really contend with him for it --just a bunch of lame dialogue options in a really frustrating and senseless dialogue tree that has a foregone conclusion anyway. And then my Warden, who'd been at the forefront of every battle up to that point and tops in ass-kicking of anyone in the party, just hangs back helplessly and watches him run up to the Archdemon to do his thing. And THEN, what REALLY got me ticked off was logging into this site and seeing the "Warden-Commander" trophy on my profile, which you'll see on yours if you stick with this ending. It says something to the effect of "You commanded Alistair to make a great sacrifice in defense of Ferelden." No, I did NOT "Command" him; in fact I Commanded, cajoled and pleaded with him not to do it!! Why I oughtta. . .

Still a bit annoyed about that. Can't decide what I'm going to do about it this time --leave Alistair at the gate or let Morrigan have her little demon sprout so we can both live.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 02 septembre 2010 - 02:02 .

[DWSmiley]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

And then my Warden, who'd been at the forefront of every battle up to that point and tops in ass-kicking of anyone in the party, just hangs back helplessly and watches him run up to the Archdemon to do his thing.

All it takes is a moment frozen in shock that he is taking the decision out of your hands - a likely reaction given how deferential he generally is to the warden.  A great add to the cutscene for a warden romancing Alistair would have been to see her racing toward the Archdemon, too, but hopelessly several paces behind.

But, yes, the "commanded to" bit was Bioware being lazy.

Modifié par DWSmiley, 02 septembre 2010 - 02:02 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

DWSmiley wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

And then my Warden, who'd been at the forefront of every battle up to that point and tops in ass-kicking of anyone in the party, just hangs back helplessly and watches him run up to the Archdemon to do his thing.

All it takes is a moment frozen in shock that he is taking the decision out of your hands - a likely reaction given how deferential he generally is to the warden.  A great add to the cutscene for a warden romancing Alistair would have been to see her racing toward the Archdemon, too, but hopelessly several paces behind.

But, yes, the "commanded to" bit was Bioware being lazy.

Agreed. And my Warden in that case was a Dwarf so Alistair was bound to outrun her with his longer legs anyway, but it would have been nice to see her try. If I'd had control of her, she would have tried. Heck, if I'd had control of her she would have switched to her longbow and nailed him with a Pinning Shot.