Heretical Sound wrote...
But they look evil. All they need now is horns and spiky bits. Possibly big axes as well.OmbradelCerberos wrote...
Hmm... I really like the new armor.
I sure hope someone is a templar, because I use cleanse area and holy smite a lot. I probably enjoy holy smite a little too much.OmbradelCerberos wrote...
While I am aware that it is much too late to actually influence the companions in DA2 at this point, I would actually like to know the opinion of the forum on this matter.
I believe that a full blown templar would make for interesting dialogue, especially considering that Bethany (and Hawke too, depending on class) is a mage. Also it would be interesting to get some answers to questions like: Just what exactly do the final vows entail? What is life as a templar like? How are they trained? Are they trained to actually hate mages? What are their views on the current events? Is the lyrium really useless?
Furthermore it would make the experience much more rounded if we had a
friend/companion who is on the templar's side, if the Chantry and my
favourite tin cans are going to play a bigger role in DA2.
Anyhoo, if wishes are horses, then Hawke will discover down-and-out exiled Alistair in a tavern and make him a companion. If beggers are walking, then any old templar will do, I suppose.
OmbradelCerberos wrote...
Bettter than the pink skirts in my opinion.
Heresy!Never! Templars always look pretty in pink. Why has the pink gone. How will I strike terror in the hearts of opponents now?But if we'd get a templar companion he would get new armour along the way anyway.
errant_knight wrote...
I sure hope someone is a templar, because I use cleanse area and holy smite a lot. I probably enjoy holy smite a little too much.
Modifié par OmbradelCerberos, 06 septembre 2010 - 11:41 .
My secret is out. I ruined I say. Ruined!OmbradelCerberos wrote...
Heretical Sound, you can still use your eye shadow and Bran's handsomeness.
OmbradelCerberos wrote...
Heretical Sound, you can still use your Warpaint and Manliness.
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3OmbradelCerberos wrote...
See, this sort of manliness scares new posters off.
*sighs*
Modifié par Heretical Sound, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:04 .
Heretical Sound wrote...
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3OmbradelCerberos wrote...
See, this sort of manliness scares new posters off.
*sighs*
Fine I'll be less Manly. Just a little bit mind. Wouldn't want anyone thinking I'm effeminate or anything.
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I don't think they'd bother if Alistair was a unredeemable as Oghren. It's not like that was the life he wanted, or that he's not the same duty driven guy under all the disillusionment, sorrow, and anger that he'd have. I think that could be a very interesting story of redemption, if the player chose to take that route. The aimless wanderer would be interesting, too, because he does that after becoming disillusioned with the wardens, but not as poignant. In any case, he certainly wouldn't be as crude.OmbradelCerberos wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
I sure hope someone is a templar, because I use cleanse area and holy smite a lot. I probably enjoy holy smite a little too much.
Hm, well as fun as Alistair is, I would probalby prefer having a real templar to dragging around another drunk after having stuck with Oghren for Origins. Or did you mean the one where he becomes just an aimless wanderer?
Hmm, maybe if we had both, the templar could chew Alistair out, if Alistair should tech Hawke templar secrets.
Yeah, Holy Smite is fun, it always reminds me of HULK SMASH for some reason...
Heretical Sound, you can still use your eye shadow and Bran's handsomeness.
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3OmbradelCerberos wrote...
I am trying to find a way to relate this to the topic. Somehow I find that I can't.
errant_knight wrote...
I don't think they'd bother if Alistair was a unredeemable as Oghren. It's not like that was the life he wanted, or that he's not the same duty driven guy under all the disillusionment, sorrow, and anger that he'd have. I think that could be a very interesting story of redemption, if the player chose to take that route. The aimless wanderer would be interesting, too, because he does that after becoming disillusioned with the wardens, but not as poignant. In any case, he certainly wouldn't be as crude.OmbradelCerberos wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
I sure hope someone is a templar, because I use cleanse area and holy smite a lot. I probably enjoy holy smite a little too much.
Hm, well as fun as Alistair is, I would probalby prefer having a real templar to dragging around another drunk after having stuck with Oghren for Origins. Or did you mean the one where he becomes just an aimless wanderer?
Hmm, maybe if we had both, the templar could chew Alistair out, if Alistair should tech Hawke templar secrets.
Yeah, Holy Smite is fun, it always reminds me of HULK SMASH for some reason...
Heretical Sound, you can still use your eye shadow and Bran's handsomeness.
Modifié par OmbradelCerberos, 07 septembre 2010 - 09:52 .
Modifié par Heretical Sound, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:23 .
Plenty of time for another playthrough.OmbradelCerberos wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
I don't think they'd bother if Alistair was a unredeemable as Oghren. It's not like that was the life he wanted, or that he's not the same duty driven guy under all the disillusionment, sorrow, and anger that he'd have. I think that could be a very interesting story of redemption, if the player chose to take that route. The aimless wanderer would be interesting, too, because he does that after becoming disillusioned with the wardens, but not as poignant. In any case, he certainly wouldn't be as crude.OmbradelCerberos wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
I sure hope someone is a templar, because I use cleanse area and holy smite a lot. I probably enjoy holy smite a little too much.
Hm, well as fun as Alistair is, I would probalby prefer having a real templar to dragging around another drunk after having stuck with Oghren for Origins. Or did you mean the one where he becomes just an aimless wanderer?
Hmm, maybe if we had both, the templar could chew Alistair out, if Alistair should tech Hawke templar secrets.
Yeah, Holy Smite is fun, it always reminds me of HULK SMASH for some reason...
Heretical Sound, you can still use your eye shadow and Bran's handsomeness.
Sounds interesting, but the problem is, that for example, I have no save where Alistair becomes a drunk or a wanderer and so I would miss out on a pretty big part of the game if they'd choose to implement him as a companion. To make up for that people like me would probably cry for another companion which the drunk/wanderer people can't have, which in turn makes them miss out.
While it kind of works with the choice (drunk/wanderer vs any other Alistair) would work if made inside DA2, as you could kill most of your companions at one point in DA:O, it would be a lot harder if you would have to have six different saves ready to import into DA2 to have all the possibilities.
A new companion would be easier to build in, or so I imagine.
Alas, I am no game developer, so I might be totally wrong in all of my assumptions.
I'd have to do that too, as he's always king in mine--and that's really not an ending that I'd want to play at all, but I'd do it if it meant interesting content in DA2. Actually, given my qualms about the changes to gameplay, it's perhaps the one thing that would gurantee that I buy the game, even with a voiced PC and a dialogue wheel. If one made Alistair king, I suspect that he'll show up in that light. Of course, to new players, it wouldn't make a difference. He'd just be a bitter man who lost a lot before you met him.
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errant_knight wrote...
Plenty of time for another playthrough.
OmbradelCerberos wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
Plenty of time for another playthrough.
Yes, you would be willing to take the time to do this, but what about all the other players, that only casually play the game? Once again, they would be left out of a pretty BIG part. I'm not saying that people willing to take the time shouldn't get thrown an extra bone or two, like cameos or some extra items, but a whole new companion?
Since we don't know how it will work with no saves to import, I won't even start on the people that don't have them ( because they haven't played the first game) or don't have them anymore.
I don't have much time for gaming outside of summer, so I , personally, would prefer new companions over having to play through the first game and then the second again and again to see all the companions.
Modifié par errant_knight, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:51 .
errant_knight wrote...
Or there could be a mechanic for setting certain plot conditions without having a save, which would also allow new players to have a variable world condition at the beginning.
Good luck!OmbradelCerberos wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
Or there could be a mechanic for setting certain plot conditions without having a save, which would also allow new players to have a variable world condition at the beginning.
This would be best, probably. It was a pity they had to take that out of ME2.
Oh well, back to spreading the templar... sympathy? Curiousity? Whatever.
Modifié par langelog, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:05 .
That would be interesting. My only concern would be that it might feel a lot like travelling with Justice.langelog wrote...
I would love an "active" Templar as a companion, Alistair never took his final vows and was never a Templar hard ass. I want a badass Templar who is determined to wipe malificarum off the face of Thedas and would betray Hawke if he/she is a blood mage or sympathizes with Malificarum. This Templar could be male or female, since female warriors are a rarity. Either way this Templar should be a LI, because trying to seduce someone who has taken vows of chastity is hawt!
B3taMaxxx wrote...
The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...
There was one standing at the door of the Chantry in Denerim and another really mad one in the dungeons of Arl Howe.
One was tortured and the other senile. Lyrium Addiction: Is it Real? On the next 60 MinutesThe Hardest Thing In The World wrote...
On dialogs, things have to be more interesting than:
Alistair: You want me to marry Anora? Why?
You: She govern while you lead.
Alistair: OK, you've convinced me. I don't like it though. Excuse me, I need some time to think.
The above may not be the exact dialog in DA:O but it is close enough and things need to be more interesting than that. There are very many instances of such.
I completely agree. Nothing like a push-over
langelog wrote...
I would love an "active" Templar as a companion, Alistair never took his final vows and was never a Templar hard ass. I want a badass Templar who is determined to wipe malificarum off the face of Thedas and would betray Hawke if he/she is a blood mage or sympathizes with Malificarum.
Riona45 wrote...
langelog wrote...
I would love an "active" Templar as a companion, Alistair never took his final vows and was never a Templar hard ass. I want a badass Templar who is determined to wipe malificarum off the face of Thedas and would betray Hawke if he/she is a blood mage or sympathizes with Malificarum.
In that case they would also have to explain why such a hardass templar is travelling with (rather than arresting) a mage PC (and possibly Bethany) who is not a part of any Circle. This time we don't have the Grey Warden excuse.
OmbradelCerberos wrote...
While I am aware that it is much too late to actually influence the companions in DA2 at this point, I would actually like to know the opinion of the forum on this matter.
I believe that a full blown templar would make for interesting dialogue, especially considering that Bethany (and Hawke too, depending on class) is a mage. Also it would be interesting to get some answers to questions like: Just what exactly do the final vows entail? What is life as a templar like? How are they trained? Are they trained to actually hate mages? What are their views on the current events? Is the lyrium really useless?
Furthermore it would make the experience much more rounded if we had a
friend/companion who is on the templar's side, if the Chantry and my
favourite tin cans are going to play a bigger role in DA2.
It would be nice, if we had a Templar who thinks what he does is right and doesn't seek to question his actions.That said if we had a Templar who does his duty not because the Chantry told him so or his religion but because he has thought it through and come to the conclusion that it is the right thing. He sympathises with the Mages and admits its a terrible thing to be done to them but necessary. Have him plagued by guilt but still resolute in his duty. That would be brilliant.
Basically said Templar views killing mages as a terrible but necessary thing. How they came to that viewpoint could vary, perhaps it was imply over time or maybe a single incident. Perhaps at one point they were really zealous but they went overboard and realised that.
As a result of their revelation they feel shame, sorrow and regret. The kind that makes it difficult to sleep, the kind that makes you not want to sleep. (Lyrium deprivation would be emotional torture to say the least.) Yet their experiences have taught them the circle and its Templars are necessary. So the have decided to carry out their duties immaculately. They can't rest easy because for them it would be utterly wrong. They have taken away others freedom and lives, so why should they then be allowed to enjoy themselves? They choose to become utterly selfless. A troubled individual to say the least.
As for a L.I.:
The Templar feels enjoying themselves would be morally wrong because they have taken the lives of others. So they decided to follow a hard life without joy. Only duty. Then Hawke comes along ..
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