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[Raze48]

Rogues are all about Stealth, Quickness, and Silence. Nothing about 100 pound plate armor says Stealthy. >.>

[ezrafetch]

I'm just curious if you think that raging like that really accomplishes anything anywhere, much less a forum where people are discussing strategy. Seems to be a most...fruitless enterprise.

but onward:

Elhanan wrote...

Armor > Defense, as 130+ Defense pts are needed to be effective as I understand. And you can still wear lighter armor for the chestpiece, but may wear a wider range of boots, helms, and gloves that offer many other effects besides armor.

But when I read of the complaints of DEX being light dmg, this is not one of my Wardens.or my posts.

Also, there are actually quite a bit of auto-hit attacks so armor is actually useful. Grab, Overwhelm, Scattershot and the like all auto-hit so any damage avoided is nice. Plus, since archers strike first, they do a lot of the pulling and initial threat generation, so yeah, it's nice to be able to withstand the horde, so to speak, at the start of fights. You could try to Stealth your way out but sometimes it's just not fast enough, especially if you use it for an initial auto-crit...that's 10 seconds of having to deal with enemies, which depending on distance could mean quite a bit.

I personally prefer the cunning route because I pretty much aim for auto-crits, so I need to stack SoC like crazy, so cunning is a necessity. But if I wasn't gunning for auto-crits, I'd go max dex and perhaps go Elhanan's route with the armor, because sniping with a bow gets rather boring and you can even wade in with Rose's Thorn+Edge and put some Sweeps on some dudes for a change of pace.

And face it, this is DAO, a highly customizable game.  There is no "what a Rogue should be," there is only "what a Rogue can do."  Just saying.

Modifié par ezrafetch, 03 septembre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Elhanan]

Tis magic armor. Tis training. Tis outside the box perhaps, but doth work very well.. Pick one of your choosing.

And glancing at a respec with only Farsong, shortclothes, and a smile, the difference between 20 STR and 38 STR was less ca. 5.5 dmg and Defense pts. Personally, I can live with the difference. In fact, I thrive in it.

So for now, I shall take my Stealthy, Stealing, heavily armored Rogue and move along... quietly. *bazinga*

[ussnorway]

I like STR as well but I only go 25-30... Just so you know that it's not just you Elhanan.

[beancounter501]

A strength 38, max dex Archer is quite powerfull. You may not like it for role playing reasons - but it is STRONG. Go do a kill me test - take two different Rogues through a difficult zone and just stand there. See how long it takes you to die. Suprise, the Heavy Armor Rogue always wins. A lot stronger then a light armor archer. Besides think of your armored Rogue as more a thug type build. No need to adhere to DnD standards where Mages wear Robes and Rogues wear Light Armor.

Besides, why do you think people make tanks with a str 38-42 and then max dex? Cause Heavy Armor beats Light Armor! Unless you like to make your S&S Tank warrior with a 20 str/max dex and run around in Leather Armor.

And it real life plate armor is NOT that heavy. Certainitly not 100 pounds. It was custom made for each person.  Quite stylish I am sure.  Chain mail was also very effective against slashing type weapons and was very light. Just like swords really only weighed 2-4 pounds - even two hand swords are much lighter then people think. You know who used Leather Armor in real life - peasants who promptly got stomped to death by a charging Knight on a horse.

Modifié par beancounter501, 04 septembre 2010 - 02:10 .

[ussnorway]

One last point is that having a good STR will protect you from being overwhelmed (even without taking armour into account) because it is based on STR.

[termokanden]

My 2h warrior that has spent only points in strength ever gets overwhelmed easily enough. Considering you're not even safe with 3-4 times the investment we're talking about here, I have my doubts about whether it makes a non-negligible difference in this case.



Makes sense to leave it at the magical number that allows you to wear whatever armor you want, but even a single point more makes no sense to me. A point in strength gives you ranged attack, the same amount of damage, and 1 defense. Surely this is better than a bit of resistance that isn't enough anyway.

[Elhanan]

My respec test was done in error; know better than to rush results before bedtime. With 18 pts going from STR into DEX, the build gets 3.1 pts more dmg. My guess is that the wider the difference is between STR & DEX, the larger the difference. Maybe a Techie would care to test for better data, as I have little skills here.

And thanks to all those with open minds. Try an armored Rogue Archer for yourself, and see if it is a viable build.