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[Angel-Shinkiro]

Being a Spectre has its perks and why make another enemy that's why I still agreed with TIM after I blew up the base.

[windrunner896]

wait im confused do you have to save the original council to be reinstated and have anderson leading or not with a new council?

[ExtremeOne]

BurningArmor wrote...

I took the reinstatement to Spectre.

If for no other reason, just to avoid a few unnecessary fire fights with security while in Citadel space.  The red shirts might be useful as ground troops some day.

I feel Shepard is supposed to be uniting the galaxy against the reapers.  Alienating the Council won't help that.
I can only hope the Council isn't caught by surprise when the Reapers do finally escape from Dark Space.  Whether that escape comes through Citadel, or maybe Haedron's (sp?) Star, the time is coming where people will have to work together or die.

Alot of the posturing by the Council at the meeting is an attempt to get a handle on where Shepard's head is at.  To draw Shepard out, or get a reaction, the Council made the strong statements about treason.  The council is measuring Shepard's belief in his mission.  I think they realize someone needs to find out why the colonies are disappearing, and that Shepard has a history of being right. 

But working for terrorists is extreme even if Spectre operational rules allow for it. 

The Council is also trying to figure out if Shepard believes in the Cerberus cause or is this a move by a spectre to get his job done.  The council fears Cerberus with their history of murder and mayhem.  Keeping the spectre status even if it does not get him any direct support might be viewed as an assurance that he can still be reasoned with even if his views are not politically safe right now.

  


in short they want to find out if he or she will be a slave to the council or spit in their face. well the council can go to hell for all i care those stupid clowns have no place in ME 2 or 3 if they are worried about Shepard being their lap dog. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus and TIM said do what ever it takes to stop the collectors. so he or she really does not need some stupid title from a stupid thing like the council 

[Pacifien]

windrunner896 wrote...
wait im confused do you have to save the original council to be reinstated and have anderson leading or not with a new council?

The original council will offer to reinstate your Spectre status. If there's a new council, the only way to regain your Spectre status is if Anderson is the Councilor. With a new council and Udina as Councilor, all you get is snarls and glares.

[gunswordfist]

How does being a Spectre change Thane's..oh Crap nevermind. The interrogation. Silly me.

[Freakaz0idx]

I accepted back the spectre status. It gives me some form of authority in council space, it's the logical thing to do from my point of view. The Council will trust me, which will make it easier to kill the Turian Councilor in cold blood if we ever meet face to face.

[Cypher0020]

I take reinstatement.... I fought hard for the title... and they owe it to me after I saved the Acension... plus its nice to throw my old title around



Post ME3, my canon Shep wants to return to simply working as a Council Spectre.....not chasing Reapers/Collectors/etc....

[Pacifien]

I'll accept reinstatement from Anderson easily enough.

However, when I imported probably my most paragon of Shepards into ME2 (one of the rare playthroughs where I let the Council live), the Turian Councilor had to go dismiss my claims. Maybe if I had roleplayed that Shepard a bit better, I would have let that roll off my back and accept the Spectre status back, but instead I told the Council to shove it. It was like my Paragon Shepard had suddenly felt that all the good he's done for the galaxy will never amount to anything but sorrows and finally cracked.

I did another playthrough where the old Council was there and that time took them up on their offer. That Shepard will take whatever he can get that gives him an advantage. Say his journey took him back to a place like Noveria, a place that only relented in letting you dock because you were a Spectre? The title might feel empty considering the Council's attitude toward you lately, but it still gets results.

Modifié par Pacifien, 04 septembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[DPSSOC]

Marzillius wrote...
I really don't get why so many people don't like the Council. If you went to the British Parliament and started talking about massive starships that want to harvest the galaxy, without any concrete evidence, do you think they would believe you?

 
And that's an acceptable stance until one of said starships attacks Britain and leaves pieces of itself strewn over the House of Commons.

If you're in the woods and don't believe me when I tell you there are bears around you're a skeptic.  If you don't believe me after a bear mauls you and nearly kills all your friends, claiming it was just a very large raccoon, you're a moron deserving of contempt.

Now personally I hate the Council because I view them as a pack of tyrants and the only tyrant I can bring myself to like is myself.  Still save the Council, accept the status, save the galaxy, kill LCM later.

I honestly can't think of any reason to reject Spectre status other than using it as a way to flip off the Council.

[cambailey]

"Do government employes get a discount?"

"Yes in fact, what's your position?"

"BRB" *meets with council, gets back to store*

"I'm a Specter"

[Markinator_123]

Although I never say, "I'm honored" I always accept the spectre status. Being above the law is very handy and you won't have to worry about getting arrested. I still think that the council are morons, but once again being a spectre is more important than my personal feelings about the council.

[BurningArmor]

ExtremeOne wrote...

BurningArmor wrote...

I took the reinstatement to Spectre.

If for no other reason, just to avoid a few unnecessary fire fights with security while in Citadel space.  The red shirts might be useful as ground troops some day.

I feel Shepard is supposed to be uniting the galaxy against the reapers.  Alienating the Council won't help that.
I can only hope the Council isn't caught by surprise when the Reapers do finally escape from Dark Space.  Whether that escape comes through Citadel, or maybe Haedron's (sp?) Star, the time is coming where people will have to work together or die.

Alot of the posturing by the Council at the meeting is an attempt to get a handle on where Shepard's head is at.  To draw Shepard out, or get a reaction, the Council made the strong statements about treason.  The council is measuring Shepard's belief in his mission.  I think they realize someone needs to find out why the colonies are disappearing, and that Shepard has a history of being right. 

But working for terrorists is extreme even if Spectre operational rules allow for it. 

The Council is also trying to figure out if Shepard believes in the Cerberus cause or is this a move by a spectre to get his job done.  The council fears Cerberus with their history of murder and mayhem.  Keeping the spectre status even if it does not get him any direct support might be viewed as an assurance that he can still be reasoned with even if his views are not politically safe right now.

  


in short they want to find out if he or she will be a slave to the council or spit in their face. well the council can go to hell for all i care those stupid clowns have no place in ME 2 or 3 if they are worried about Shepard being their lap dog. Shepard was brought back by Cerberus and TIM said do what ever it takes to stop the collectors. so he or she really does not need some stupid title from a stupid thing like the council 

Hardly a slave.  The council fears him too much right now for that.  This is merely diplomacy.  After all, who is going to be left to fight the Reapers if you kill everyone that has a different idea about the shape of things?

At this point, Shepard is a ticking time bomb for the council.  If they start arming up, they could set off wars with the Terminus Systems or other races that have a beef.  On the other hand, if they continue to do nothing, the Council gets caught flat footed as they did when Sovereign and the Geth showed up at the Citadel.  In either case, the status quo they are trying to maintain is gone.  The Council fears Shepard for the change he represents.

I think in the long run Shepard and his team will have to leave known space to engage Harbinger outside known space as he did with the Collectors.   Any allied fleets Shepard gathers along the way will be buffers buying time for Shepard to find and kill Harbinger along with his command and control systems.  Being diplomatic with the Council will allow Shepard more leeway to make preparations with less interference.

 

[Marzillius]

DPSSOC wrote...

Marzillius wrote...
I really don't get why so many people don't like the Council. If you went to the British Parliament and started talking about massive starships that want to harvest the galaxy, without any concrete evidence, do you think they would believe you?

 
And that's an acceptable stance until one of said starships attacks Britain and leaves pieces of itself strewn over the House of Commons.

If you're in the woods and don't believe me when I tell you there are bears around you're a skeptic.  If you don't believe me after a bear mauls you and nearly kills all your friends, claiming it was just a very large raccoon, you're a moron deserving of contempt.

Now personally I hate the Council because I view them as a pack of tyrants and the only tyrant I can bring myself to like is myself.  Still save the Council, accept the status, save the galaxy, kill LCM later.

I honestly can't think of any reason to reject Spectre status other than using it as a way to flip off the Council.

That doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows that there are bears in the forest (well... depending on which country you are in...), bears are not mysterious monsters that only one person knows about. The Reapers however, are. As far as the Council knows, only one person knows about "Reapers", and that person is Shepard. Saren has seen it, The Heretics has seen it, a bunch of Saren's organic soldiers has seen it. But the Council knows only about Shepard. Even though the Reapers happens to be real, there is no concrete evidence at all. Therefor, the Council is acting right to 100%.

However, after Sovereign's attack on the Citadel, the Council is just in denial. Here I agree with you.

And by the way, how are the Council tyrants? I haven't seen them committing genocide or oppressing the population. They are anything but tyrants.

[Kolos2]

Well accepting the Spectre status is really the logical decision , considering the possible gain and no loss .

But i did struggle not telling the Council to shov it up theirs, (the line was on my mind even before i have seen the responses(

hence the hardest decision in the game for me

[vigna]

huntrrz wrote...

I took the title. I don't expect any help from the Council now or in the future, but being a Spectre gives me legal authority to act as I see fit, instead of being subject to arrest for gunning down mercs...

My only regret is that I am not allowed the option to say "I'm a Spectre, start talking" when playing as a Paragon. It's true; I should be able to use that tactic regardless of my alignment.

True, and no reason to burn bridges as others said. The council is like any beauracracy--paper pushers and politics comes first normally. Also agreed that the Thane interrogation would have been simpler to just say " Start talking I'm  a Spectre." Being a Spectre gives you  alot of  room to manuever in the galaxy, plus as the first human Spectre you have an impact on how humanity is perceived--even Cerberus would think so.

[GodWood]

I got reinstated.

I may be renegade but I'm not stupid.

[fegede]

Most of the times I accepted to get my title back for all the advantages it gives, but on a couple of renegade plays, I tried other options.

My badass Shepard is just kickin everyone's ass anyways. More asses to kick = good thing. Told the council to shove it, killed the heretics, let the rachni live so they might try killing humanity (that would be fun), killed everyone on feros, blew up the collectors and told TIM to also shove it, told the quarians they should go to war, let the whole cerberus crew die but saved every squadmate, etc. Making a mess of the galaxy when role playing a badass shepard is just really fun.

[AntiChri5]

Rejecting Spectre status is the most childish decision i have ever seen in any BioWare game.

[TonyTitan]

I'm actually curious how being reinstated as a Spectre will play out in ME3...I chose to get reinstated on all my Sheps. But the reinstatement came with the clause "If you're willing to stay out in the Terminus Systems"....so after doing Thane's loyalty mission and announcing that you're a Spectre, and possibly some other times when you announce that you're a Spectre....Is the council going to come back and revoke your Spectre status because you were in Citadel space using your Spectre status again???

[Kaiser Shepard]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Rejecting Spectre status is the most childish decision i have ever seen in any BioWare game.

You wrote "Dark Ritual" wrong.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 04 septembre 2010 - 09:29 .

[AntiChri5]

There are plenty of reasons to do the DR.



But only one to reject Spectre status "They hurt my feelings".

[kaskouka]

I generaly accept the reinstatement. And as a renegade, It shortens the interrogation in Thane's loyalty in a funny way. But I hope It will play a better role in ME3 ...

[Kaiser Shepard]

AntiChri5 wrote...

There are plenty of reasons to do the DR.

But only one to reject Spectre status "They hurt my feelings".

Aside from wanting to continue living or just fear of death?

And what about not needing their help?

[AntiChri5]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

There are plenty of reasons to do the DR.

But only one to reject Spectre status "They hurt my feelings".

Aside from wanting to continue living or just fear of death?

And what about not needing their help?

Yes, plenty of reasons.

And getting reinstated as a spectre isnt asking for the councils help, it's getting complete legal immunity.

[Lewie]

i accepted, not honourably etc. Anderson did say that because 'you died' spectre status wasn't formally retracted so your not stripped of it anyway and you can use it at times. In the same conversation you are almost accused of treason, and then the council hands you an olive branch. Its understandable the 'hero' of the citadel is now working with the enemy. Doesn't leave much middle ground.