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Who would have thought ten years ago Western Games would be on top
Hey Japan, Wake Up Before It's Too Late
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Japanese games are overrated (like their animes)
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Pious_Augustus wrote...
Who would have thought ten years ago Western Games would be on top
Yes, as our cultural norms accepted video games more, it was inevitable. We are only in one phase though, and I don't think western values will proceed to the widespread festivals and idolization of which South Korea has.
Perhaps the numbers decline will spur a new invigoration with eastern devs.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 04:04
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*Sigh* not this bull again...
Capcom, as a publisher, has a vested interest in wester****ng JP-oriented games to increase sales. However local studios, that are often about 1/5th the size of a foreigner studio and have employees that earn 1-3rd of that their western counterparts make, do just fine with local sales. The Japanese model for making games was always meant to serve Japan alone, and international sales were an add on. The "western" models serve continents at large, wich on top of large sales numbers means gigantic studios that simply do not work under the Japanese concept of habing a lead "Dictator" in charge of the studio.
Capcom, as a publisher, has a vested interest in wester****ng JP-oriented games to increase sales. However local studios, that are often about 1/5th the size of a foreigner studio and have employees that earn 1-3rd of that their western counterparts make, do just fine with local sales. The Japanese model for making games was always meant to serve Japan alone, and international sales were an add on. The "western" models serve continents at large, wich on top of large sales numbers means gigantic studios that simply do not work under the Japanese concept of habing a lead "Dictator" in charge of the studio.
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Japanese Culture minus 'Kami' [worst aspect of Japanese people belief] = Korean culture (almost)
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 04:15
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Huh??? Japan and Korea might have many similarities, just as Italy and Spain do, but saying that the removal of an element in the shinto belief makes it equate "almost" to the other makes you look really ignorant.
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^ Because Both countries has elements of Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism in their culture and believes [Chinese Influence]. the only Original Japanese Religion is Shinto and it is the origin of what crap games they make.
Kami is in everything and you can use a 500 KGrams Sword!
Kami is in everything and you can use a 500 KGrams Sword!
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 05:35
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There has been a significant downturn in relation to what was released in the PS2 era to what has been released in this era.
Handheld development has increased while Console development has decreased.
Handheld development has increased while Console development has decreased.
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I want more Japanese games like Persona 4.
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I want more Japanese games like Persona 4.
This.
Looking back, Japanese pop culture is backwards in general anyway. All the good stuff came out in the 80s and 90s.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 12:44
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Adriano87 wrote...
^ Because Both countries has elements of Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism in their culture and believes [Chinese Influence]. the only Original Japanese Religion is Shinto and it is the origin of what crap games they make.
Kami is in everything and you can use a 500 KGrams Sword!
So because both countries have elements of ideological/religious concepts that are widely spread around Asia they are the same? How ill-informed are you? Also what on earth does the concept of the Shinto Kami have to do with the way or the neta of the games? Think whatever you want about Japanese games, however you obviously understand nothing of Japanese culture and the influences behind those games
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I didn't say they are the same! these 2 countries are neighbors and share many cultural elements with each other (specially those 3 schools of thinking) ... there is differences definitely but the similarities are high. I'm not talking about Food or Social classes but their thinking is near to each other (except the Kami and Little mythic remnants in Korea's Culture)Fexelea wrote...
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^ Because Both countries has elements of Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism in their culture and believes [Chinese Influence]. the only Original Japanese Religion is Shinto and it is the origin of what crap games they make.
Kami is in everything and you can use a 500 KGrams Sword!
So because both countries have elements of ideological/religious concepts that are widely spread around Asia they are the same? How ill-informed are you? Also what on earth does the concept of the Shinto Kami have to do with the way or the neta of the games? Think whatever you want about Japanese games, however you obviously understand nothing of Japanese culture and the influences behind those games
Kami is the major difference, that it is in everything and is an overrated soul that makes many things and deeds possible and Japanese Mythology is based on it. because of this Feature of Shinto, many games with exaggerated characters (with unbelievable abilities) can be popular for people of Japan (and for us Its crap)
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Japanese games are overrated (like their animes)
Some of their games maybe, but their Anime is great. Capcom still makes good games.
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Adriano87 wrote...
I didn't say they are the same!
Yes you did:
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Japanese Culture minus 'Kami' [worst aspect of Japanese people belief] = Korean culture (almost)
"Almost" is most certainly not enough of a disclaimer to that rather ludicrous statement.
Adriano87 wrote...
these 2 countries are neighbors and share many cultural elements with each other (specially those 3 schools of thinking) ... there is differences definitely but the similarities are high. I'm not talking about Food or Social classes but their thinking is near to each other (except the Kami and Little mythic remnants in Korea's Culture)
Folklore and belief are not the only aspects of culture. Social attitudes are much more reflective of a culture, and in these countries in particular it is not the religion but the social interaction that is most prevalent and decidedly different. Korea's attitude is more akin to western empowerment whilst Japanese aim for consensus
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Kami is the major difference,
No.
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that it is in everything and is an overrated soul that makes many things and deeds possible and Japanese Mythology is based on it.
"Overrated"? That word makes no sense on this context. And no, that's not what Kami means. Kami is not the base of Japanese mythology, it's an aspect of Shintoism that approaches from the concept of interconnectivity within everything. It has nothing to do with having superpowers.
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because of this Feature of Shinto, many games with exaggerated characters (with unbelievable abilities) can be popular for people of Japan (and for us Its crap)
I don't know who you mean by "us", as there seem to be plenty of non-japanese that are perfectly happy with what you call exaggerations. However I don't see why it woudl be more believable to have someone manipulate elemental magic without burning, or have a skinny warden slay a dragon than having say a protective barrier or spiky hair. Regardless none of this comes from the concept of Kami, it comes an aggregate of cultural notions towards what is awe-inducing or "cool". Just like when you watch a Chinese film and see a character deflect a rain of arrows with a flowing silky-dress: this is a reference to the culture and reflects what the intended audience finds interesting, but it has nothing to do with religion.
Again, feel free to hate the games as much as you like, however you are making silly statements about cultures and beliefs that you obviously not understand.
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sorry to put (=) ... it was for simple explaining.
It seems you are well trained in the art of speech and I'm horrible at this. I'm not good at cultural terms, as my Interest was Believes in University.
BTW Buddha and his followers, Lao Tse and Confucius (Neo-Confucianism) teachings has Influenced Eastern Asian Countries. minor Cultural things and Folklore aren't that important so we can be able to call these 2 countries culture so different from each other. like Iran and Iraq (Muslim countries with differences in minor cultural elements.)
I presume you find religion and believing matters of a country with less important than Cooking, Folklore and their Funs. I'm not talking about 80's and 90's of Japan but I'm trying to explain the course of History and relationships between neighbors with similar Believe Origins (and Shinto is the unworthy Remnant of Ancient Japan).
I'm not obsessed with Shinto (I would love Japan without it), so WE are those who might like Sci-Fi and Fantasy games, but as not exaggerated as Japanese Games (for instance a 500 Kgram Sword for a Hero!)
the Cultural Relations between China, Korea and Japan has more than one millennium of history (but they're not the same) .the reason I prefer Chinese & Korean culture to Japan's is lack of this exaggerated Kami (Japanese believe even robots and stones have soul!)
Finally, Thanks. I bought one JRPG last year and that would be my last one.
sorry to put (=) ... it was for simple explaining.
It seems you are well trained in the art of speech and I'm horrible at this. I'm not good at cultural terms, as my Interest was Believes in University.
BTW Buddha and his followers, Lao Tse and Confucius (Neo-Confucianism) teachings has Influenced Eastern Asian Countries. minor Cultural things and Folklore aren't that important so we can be able to call these 2 countries culture so different from each other. like Iran and Iraq (Muslim countries with differences in minor cultural elements.)
I presume you find religion and believing matters of a country with less important than Cooking, Folklore and their Funs. I'm not talking about 80's and 90's of Japan but I'm trying to explain the course of History and relationships between neighbors with similar Believe Origins (and Shinto is the unworthy Remnant of Ancient Japan).
I'm not obsessed with Shinto (I would love Japan without it), so WE are those who might like Sci-Fi and Fantasy games, but as not exaggerated as Japanese Games (for instance a 500 Kgram Sword for a Hero!)
the Cultural Relations between China, Korea and Japan has more than one millennium of history (but they're not the same) .the reason I prefer Chinese & Korean culture to Japan's is lack of this exaggerated Kami (Japanese believe even robots and stones have soul!)
Finally, Thanks. I bought one JRPG last year and that would be my last one.
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slimgrin wrote...
Adriano87 wrote...
Japanese games are overrated (like their animes)
Some of their games maybe, but their Anime is great. Capcom still makes good games.
I've never been a big fan of anime. I just don't get it.
Capcom does make great games, but Lost Planet 2 was a failure, but only barely. It was just a mess and need a bit more time to better flesh out it's concepts.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 02:54
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Um... there isn't anything wrong with the games coming out of Japan right now. I've played several this year that I thought were awesome. You don't have to have the biggest market, or make the years top selling game to be able to claim you make great games.
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I'm not talking about Society and Culture, the main Discussion is Religion here, Volklore (and follies) and Culture.Fexelea wrote...
Folklore and belief are not the only aspects of culture. Social attitudes are much more reflective of a culture, and in these countries in particular it is not the religion but the social interaction that is most prevalent and decidedly different. Korea's attitude is more akin to western empowerment whilst Japanese aim for consensus
Korean has been more free and they are famous for their Trade Prosperity. Japan was a strong Empire with a Emperor. with passing of the time, feudals took control of power and Emperor became a formal Position. those course of history are different so they have different Government and Economy ...
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the Last Remnant:
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Adriano,
I am fully aware of the thousands of years of history of the region, it is much much longer than 1000 years actually, and your simplistic assertions denote you are talking about something you are not well informed on. For example you seem to think that this Kami thing is stupid, yet both Chinese and Koreans believe in something similar under different names. You state a "preference" for one culture over another based on one aspect of a particular religion, yet that same aspect is present on the others as well.
You don't have to like Japanese games, however your stated reasons for the dislike are based on erroneous conclusions that are probably a consequence of misinformation. Kami has NOTHING to do with the giant swords on games and anime.
I am fully aware of the thousands of years of history of the region, it is much much longer than 1000 years actually, and your simplistic assertions denote you are talking about something you are not well informed on. For example you seem to think that this Kami thing is stupid, yet both Chinese and Koreans believe in something similar under different names. You state a "preference" for one culture over another based on one aspect of a particular religion, yet that same aspect is present on the others as well.
You don't have to like Japanese games, however your stated reasons for the dislike are based on erroneous conclusions that are probably a consequence of misinformation. Kami has NOTHING to do with the giant swords on games and anime.
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OK I was a Bad Student! enjoy the last remnantFexelea wrote...
Adriano,
I am fully aware of the thousands of years of history of the region, it is much much longer than 1000 years actually, and your simplistic assertions denote you are talking about something you are not well informed on. For example you seem to think that this Kami thing is stupid, yet both Chinese and Koreans believe in something similar under different names. You state a "preference" for one culture over another based on one aspect of a particular religion, yet that same aspect is present on the others as well.
You don't have to like Japanese games, however your stated reasons for the dislike are based on erroneous conclusions that are probably a consequence of misinformation. Kami has NOTHING to do with the giant swords on games and anime.
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Posté 03 septembre 2010 - 03:23
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I don't particularly like the Last Remmant. Demon's Souls on the other hand I love.
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what about pokemon? everyone loves that game.
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I think Japan has a few gems among the crap, but I can say the same for most western games. I think this creative slump in videogaming is actually happening to all of the entertainment mediums.
Music, television, anime, cartoons, music, and film have been seeing a lot more crap recently in both the west and eastern parts of the world.
It just seems all of them are recycling old ideas in all of these mediums.
Maybe its the fact that there will always be more mediocre stuff then good ones.
Music, television, anime, cartoons, music, and film have been seeing a lot more crap recently in both the west and eastern parts of the world.
It just seems all of them are recycling old ideas in all of these mediums.
Maybe its the fact that there will always be more mediocre stuff then good ones.
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Bayonetta!
I think Japan is awake.
I think Japan is awake.
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