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[A Killing Sound]

I find it funny that that Keiji Inafune is the one who commented on the Japanese gaming industry being dead in the Kotaku article when he and the company he works for is partially responsible for it:

http://www.gamespot....adlines;title;2

Really, rushing a Resident Evil game? No wonder the Japanese game industry is on the downturn. They're not focusing on creating quality products anymore.  Another Mega Man sequel anyone?

Modifié par A Killing Sound, 03 septembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[Druss99]

A Killing Sound wrote...

I find it funny that that Keiji Inafune is the one who commented on the Japanese gaming industry being dead in the Kotaku article when he and the company he works for is partially responsible for it:

http://www.gamespot....adlines;title;2

Really, rushing a Resident Evil game? No wonder the Japanese game industry is on the downturn. They're not focusing on creating quality products anymore.  Another Mega Man sequel anyone?

That linked made me sad . Capcom used to be one of my favourite developers but this last few years I've completely lost faith in them. They have gone downhill big time for me since RE4. After the mediocre action affair that was RE5 I hoped they would take their time and give the series something of a reboot taking it back to its survival horror roots. But speeding up development makes it sound like thats not going to happen.

[Druss99]

When I saw Super Street Fighter 4 announced I actually slapped myself for not seeing it coming. When I see a Capcom game coming out now I always think "If I wait a few months I can get the directors cut/super/upgraded version of the same game." Then there is their new policy of ripping parts of the game out and selling them as DLC (although they are by no means alone in that aspect). I can't think of a single Capcom game coming up that interests me at the minute. I want a new Onimusha game but can't see it ever happening.

Don't even get me started on Sega. I would have given my right arm for them to finish Shenmue 3 but now I actually fear what they would do to it.

[FlintlockJazz]

Auchtane wrote...

I think Japan has a few gems among the crap, but I can say the same for most western games. I think this creative slump in videogaming is actually happening to all of the entertainment mediums.

Music, television, anime, cartoons, music, and film have been seeing a lot more crap recently in both the west and eastern parts of the world.

It just seems all of them are recycling old ideas in all of these mediums.

Maybe its the fact that there will always be more mediocre stuff then good ones.

Aye, I think its a combination of entertainment being taken over purely by the money men (suits who know nothing about what they make and are only interested in meetings and committees) and the every increasing costs of making games/films/music too expensive to take risks with.  That's my assumption anyway.

[Dark Lilith]

oh dear,do we always need to find a culture or genre to beat-down to satisfy a need to say one tops the other? Can we not as human beings accept the ebb and flow of things without a condemnation of something? To accept things as they are is a way to achieve peace and tranquility in your life.Is not peace more acceptable than strife and the mindless lashing out at what is rather than what we want?

[Druss99]

slimgrin wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

When I saw Super Street Fighter 4 announced I actually slapped myself for not seeing it coming. When I see a Capcom game coming out now I always think "If I wait a few months I can get the directors cut/super/upgraded version of the same game." Then there is their new policy of ripping parts of the game out and selling them as DLC (although they are by no means alone in that aspect). I can't think of a single Capcom game coming up that interests me at the minute. I want a new Onimusha game but can't see it ever happening.
Don't even get me started on Sega. I would have given my right arm for them to finish Shenmue 3 but now I actually fear what they would do to it.

And now they are using the same damn engine for Street Fighter x Tekken. If this blatant milking of old IP's doesn't stop, they will lose everyone but fighting game fans. It's all they will be known for.

I've already raged about this on Capcom's website, along with many others. They are squandering their talent.

Give it a few months and there will be another version using the Tekken engine or a "Super" version with a few extra characters. I would love to know how well the "uprgraded" versions of their games are selling. Are people really forking over £40/$60 to have the exact same experience again with a few minor additions/tweaks?

[the_one_54321]

slimgrin wrote...
Are you kidding? What we are saying is the sad truth. It's not a beat-down of Japan, but an honest observation. They are lagging behind western devs in a very real way.

Um, who here has said that in the last page of posts? I thought you all were talking about Capcom. If you mean for your comments on Capcom to be a generalization for most Japanese games I'm calling total [cow patties] on all of it.

[Druss99]

Dark Lilith wrote...

oh dear,do we always need to find a culture or genre to beat-down to satisfy a need to say one tops the other? Can we not as human beings accept the ebb and flow of things without a condemnation of something? To accept things as they are is a way to achieve peace and tranquility in your life.Is not peace more acceptable than strife and the mindless lashing out at what is rather than what we want?

Did you just go all Jedi?

I'm more upset that the companies I grew up loving and spent so many years playing their games are now sad mockeries of their former selves. Its not really a beat down on Japanese developers I would feel the same way if it was western developers. Its just that its a worrying trend from companies that were once known for excellence but now seem content to milk past glories and are happy with mediocrity.

[Dark Lilith]

slimgrin wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

oh dear,do we always need to find a culture or genre to beat-down to satisfy a need to say one tops the other? Can we not as human beings accept the ebb and flow of things without a condemnation of something? To accept things as they are is a way to achieve peace and tranquility in your life.Is not peace more acceptable than strife and the mindless lashing out at what is rather than what we want?

Are you kidding? What we are saying is the sad truth. It's not a beat-down of Japan, but an honest observation. They are lagging behind western devs in a very real way.

are not Asian developers,artists,modelers,etc involved in all the western companies that produce such good games? Why do we consider the company rather than the employees who devote their time and talents to said games rather than a culture or a nation? Is not the end result greater than the us looking at a "rising sun" rather than a "setting" one?

[JHorwath]

Not to like a game because it isn't a good game is fine. Not to like a game because of the culture behind it or the lack of understanding of the culture is just plain ignorant. This image that is forming in my mind is some southern guy with really bad teeth and big arms. Chewing tobacco or brewing moonshine, hording guns in a bunker, and shooting possum, or collecting roadkill to eat for dinnner.

Or some other west virginia stereotypes would probably fit.   I'm not saying that's what these posters are but they don't do a ton to help with the imagery.  Not all posters mind you, just some...

Modifié par JHorwath, 03 septembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[Dark Lilith]

slimgrin wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

oh dear,do we always need to find a culture or genre to beat-down to satisfy a need to say one tops the other? Can we not as human beings accept the ebb and flow of things without a condemnation of something? To accept things as they are is a way to achieve peace and tranquility in your life.Is not peace more acceptable than strife and the mindless lashing out at what is rather than what we want?

Are you kidding? What we are saying is the sad truth. It's not a beat-down of Japan, but an honest observation. They are lagging behind western devs in a very real way.

are not Asian developers,artists,modelers,etc involved in all the western companies that produce such good games? Why do we consider the company rather than the employees who devote their time and talents to said games rather than a culture or a nation? Is not the end result greater than the us looking at a "rising sun" rather than a "setting" one?

You bring up an excellent point. I have unlimited respect for Japanese animators and artists. For example, I have never, ever seen a game from Capcom that was bad looking or poorly animated, and I think the more this influence rubs off on western developers the better. I marvel at the artistic quality of character design and animation every time I fire up Street Fighter 4. 

But we are talking about the market in general in this thread, a much broader issue. 

Is not the combined parts of a game greater than the individual ideas or inputs into said game?Can one truly separate any part of a game and say that it will accomplish what the developers set out to realise?
Is not the market susceptible to the whims of those that purchase and play any game? Do we as the consumer not influence what is released by our feedback,be it good or bad and do we as the consumer not hold a responsibility for the success or failure of any game despite what we say or truly think about a game and are we not really defeating ourselves by input be it positive or negative? So is it truly the developer be it Asian or western that makes a game a success or failure or is it the consumers whim of like or dislike that that influences what we want,play and ask for?

[Dark Lilith]

slimgrin wrote...

I should be fair and note that what I am criticizing is by no means confined to Japanese developers. But it used to be Japanese devs that were in the forefront of gaming. That is no longer the case.

honey,I unstood your postings as not confined to just the "Japanese".Being part Asian gives me a step-up on most posts concerning asian topics and I never take offense at such things as race unless they're comments meant to hurt or slander.
I find that in today's ever changing game market that trying to seperate a culture from what it was even a few years ago just truly has little relavince in todays gaming market as it changes so fast and so much for the better IMO that it means little to post a topic on a trivial matter as a race or culture as they used to be,compared to what they are now.

[Druss99]

To clarify, my beef is with Capcom and Sega not Japan in general. Japan is not yet on my list of countries that I have declared my enemy.

[Dark Lilith]

Druss99 wrote...

To clarify, my beef is with Capcom and Sega not Japan in general. Japan is not yet on my list of countries that I have declared my enemy.

And this one is humbled by a responce that comes from the heart.

[Onyx Jaguar]

smecky-kitteh wrote...

what about pokemon? everyone loves that game.

I like Pokemon

However in the main series the only ones I have played are Blue (1995) and Platinum (98)

They are exactly the same, pretty much... exactly the same

Hell I felt more like I was playing a different game with Madden 08 from Madden 07 (even though I would call those exactly the same as well)

The problem I have is the focus on handhelds

Capcom loves to **** out Monster Hunter for instance

I should provide a list of PS2-Xbox-Gamecube-Dreamcast era releases and compare them to the current one.  And who is doing what.

[Onyx Jaguar]

slimgrin wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

When I saw Super Street Fighter 4 announced I actually slapped myself for not seeing it coming. When I see a Capcom game coming out now I always think "If I wait a few months I can get the directors cut/super/upgraded version of the same game." Then there is their new policy of ripping parts of the game out and selling them as DLC (although they are by no means alone in that aspect). I can't think of a single Capcom game coming up that interests me at the minute. I want a new Onimusha game but can't see it ever happening.
Don't even get me started on Sega. I would have given my right arm for them to finish Shenmue 3 but now I actually fear what they would do to it.

And now they are using the same damn engine for Street Fighter x Tekken. If this blatant milking of old IP's doesn't stop, they will lose everyone but fighting game fans. It's all they will be known for.

I've already raged about this on Capcom's website, along with many others. They are squandering their talent.

This is what Capcom does

Look at MEGA MANEA