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slimgrin wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I should be fair and note that what I am criticizing is by no means confined to Japanese developers. But it used to be Japanese devs that were in the forefront of gaming. That is no longer the case.

honey,I unstood your postings as not confined to just the "Japanese".Being part Asian gives me a step-up on most posts concerning asian topics and I never take offense at such things as race unless they're comments meant to hurt or slander.
I find that in today's ever changing game market that trying to seperate a culture from what it was even a few years ago just truly has little relavince in todays gaming market as it changes so fast and so much for the better IMO that it means little to post a topic on a trivial matter as a race or culture as they used to be,compared to what they are now. Image IPB


I just play the games and form opinions based on that. But whatever, it's all relative. I'm gonna go chew some tobacco and flex my big arms now. 

Image IPB as we all should.I meant no offense in any way,shape or form. have fun> How bigs are your guns by the way...lol

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Japan has many excellent games, but 90% of them aren't even released outside the country.

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Alexine wrote...
Looking back, Japanese pop culture is backwards in general anyway. All the good stuff came out in the 80s

So no different than North America, then.... :D

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Starting from the beginning of this gaming generation (which means going back about 4-5 years I guess) I personally make 2 distinction for two school of Japanese games:

- The Hybrid: I think this is the one that most people are exposed to. They're games and developers that try to penentrate the western market by changing the formular and including things that would "appeal" to western audience. Personally, I don't find them doing a very good job and it's the reason I think they're failing so to speak. Although my reason for thinking they're fail is different from others, I dont think they fail because they're not trying something new, I think they fail because they're doing exactly that. I heard someone mentioned earlier that Japanese games have always been about "catering to the Japan market, then oversea second". This sadly is no longer the correct view for most mega publishers starting a few years ago. For example Square-Enix had publically announced that their business model will put more emphasis to the foreign market then dosmectic, and the effect is what I meant above by those hybrid.

- The Authentic: A few developers (and sometime small tittle from the powerhouse) still stick with the traditional approach of making Japanese game, and I think they're still hold their charm. The sad part most of them don't make it oversea. Valkyria Chronicle, Persona, Valkyria Profile ...etc... are games that I think deliver a pure-authentic Japanese game presentation. Much less can be said for say ... Final Fantasy XIII.

Now I'm not here to criticize other people taste, if you like the game Japanese publishers have bumping out lately then good for you. Me, personally if I want a Western game I will buy a Western made game and vice versa, when I buy a Japanese game, that means I don't want a Western hyprid tittle. For example I won't argue whether DA was a better game then FFXIII, however I dare say DA kinda deliver what I was looking for when FFXIII didn't.

Western or Eastern games it depends on taste, and personally I think trying to argue the taste of someone will 99% result in either ignorant opinion or hate speech (which frankly this thread has sufficent amount so far). The point is we have the choice ... or used to at least. Most of the time whenever I see someone complaining about Japanese game, it's the people who actually care very little for the Japanese essence itself, but rather Western fans delivering hate speech or demand Japanese game have to become more like Western games which I don't understand.

The question is if Eastern game is to become similar to Western game like they're trying to do now, then what would happen to the players who prefer an authentic experience?

My answer: study Japanese. (Which I am doing)


Btw, modern Japanese pop culture is awesome. At least, I haven't seen a western company hold live concert for virtual singer with holographic yet Image IPB 

Modifié par MightySword, 03 septembre 2010 - 07:51 .


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I can't discuss this in-depth; my knowledge of Japanese culture is limited. But from what I can see, the industry is made up of established studios, old ones, with no new blood coming in.

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Atlus is one of the few good Japanese developers left. I hope their new game Catherine makes it overseas. Square - Enix stopped giving fans what they want. No sign of Kingdom of Hearts 3 on the PS3 and Parasite Eve on the PSP? Should have been on the PS3! They really need to stop with the handheld games for awhile and never release another FF like XIII.



Anyways, pic from Catherine



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Its funny. The best series of Japanese games ever is largely inspired by American cinema. Castlevania is the best thing to come out of that place since sake.

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casedawgz wrote...

Its funny. The best series of Japanese games ever is largely inspired by American cinema. Castlevania is the best thing to come out of that place since sake.


LOL, but more realistically Japanese games like castlevania are based on American movies based on novels written in Europe,

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A Killing Sound wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Its funny. The best series of Japanese games ever is largely inspired by American cinema. Castlevania is the best thing to come out of that place since sake.


LOL, but more realistically Japanese games like castlevania are based on American movies based on novels written in Europe,


Also the orginial Final Fantasy is based on D&D though like Dragon Age it was not completely D&D. Also over the years with choices being removed from the player people thought JRPGs were actual RPGs and everything else was an Action RPG or Action game.

One thing I miss about the old JRPG cames was the sense of exploring a world. You had a huge World Map and sometimes you had things going on. Instead of a map and traveling via a quick map you could if you wanted explore the vast world. Too me that was freedom that was what brought me to JRPGs and RPGs in general.

Western RPGs never appealed to me mainly because in the early days they focused almost completely on 1st Person RPGs. I am one of those people for example who cannot play a 1st Person Game like Half Life 2 without getting deathly sick for a month. The way the camera is set up, its like running around with tunnel vision.  Bioware and a couple of other companies started coming out with some amazing games and developers like Bethseda always made huge games with a lot of story but the 1st person aspect never appealed to me.

Once Morrowind was released it seems like a wave of Western Developers finally decided to "get it" that gamers don't want 1st Person only. Its been obvious lately Bethseda never liked the fact the 3rd person mode was added but hey they did it to attract more fans...they hate and still hate the fact that more people will play their broken 3rd Person Mode rather then the 1st Person Mode.

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Dark Lilith wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I should be fair and note that what I am criticizing is by no means confined to Japanese developers. But it used to be Japanese devs that were in the forefront of gaming. That is no longer the case.

honey,I unstood your postings as not confined to just the "Japanese".Being part Asian gives me a step-up on most posts concerning asian topics and I never take offense at such things as race unless they're comments meant to hurt or slander.
I find that in today's ever changing game market that trying to seperate a culture from what it was even a few years ago just truly has little relavince in todays gaming market as it changes so fast and so much for the better IMO that it means little to post a topic on a trivial matter as a race or culture as they used to be,compared to what they are now. Image IPB


I just play the games and form opinions based on that. But whatever, it's all relative. I'm gonna go chew some tobacco and flex my big arms now. 

Image IPB as we all should.I meant no offense in any way,shape or form. have fun> How bigs are your guns by the way...lol

well,my boobs are much more the hero worship then my arms are...Image IPB

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DigitalOrigami wrote...

Alexine wrote...
Looking back, Japanese pop culture is backwards in general anyway. All the good stuff came out in the 80s

So no different than North America, then.... :D


All the Tampa and New York Death Metal scene is basicaly from the 90´s. =]


DigitalOrigami wrote...

Alexine wrote...
Looking back, Japanese pop culture is backwards in general anyway. All the good stuff came out in the 80s

So no different than North America, then.... ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png


All the Tampa and New York Death Metal scene is basicaly from the 90´s. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

Pious_Augustus wrote...



Western RPGs never appealed to me
mainly because in the early days they focused almost completely on 1st
Person RPGs. I am one of those people for example who cannot play a 1st
Person Game like Half Life 2 without getting deathly sick for a month.
The way the camera is set up, its like running around with tunnel
vision.  Bioware and a couple of other companies started coming out with
some amazing games and developers like Bethseda always made huge games
with a lot of story but the 1st person aspect never appealed to me.



Once
Morrowind was released it seems like a wave of Western Developers
finally decided to "get it" that gamers don't want 1st Person only. Its
been obvious lately Bethseda never liked the fact the 3rd person mode
was added but hey they did it to attract more fans...they hate and still
hate the fact that more people will play their broken 3rd Person Mode
rather then the 1st Person Mode.



I, on the other side, enjoyed games like Lands of Lore or
the mythic trilogy Eye of the Beholder, and of course, Pool of Radiance
or Ultima series.

I am fairly confident that the designers of
Bioware also played and got inspired by games such as Betrayal at
Krondor or the above mentioned. The real changes comes when you
integrate this kind of game with the graphics of old games such as
Ecstatica.

If I had to name a precedent for Bioware´s attitude towards RPG´s, that would be clearly the Ultima series.

Modifié par Statulos, 04 septembre 2010 - 05:03 .