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[Yrkoon]

termokanden wrote...

Perhaps the most infamous is Modern Warfare 2 with its expensive map packs containing just a few new maps each and a couple of maps from the previous game.


But it's not limited to MW2. There's plenty of expensive DLC with almost no content out there, sadly.

Again, I don't care so much about the price myself. I'd pay for a DLC to fix the bugs so I feel less stupid for investing so much time in this game.

If you just want to talk about DAO DLC, sure. Warden's Keep is cheap but it's very quickly over. Golems of Amgarrak was quite poor if you asked me. Return to Ostagar was too short. The darkspawn DLC was horrible - same areas as before, BUGS, boring playing a vanguard. You don't get a whole lot for your money here!

I should mention that I very much like Shale and Leliana's Song.

People buy Modern Warfare 2 for its multi-player function, not for its single player campaign.  Huge difference.  If Dragon Age was a multi-player game you wouldn't see people here complaining that its expansion pack was so short.

And Warden's Keep wasn't "cheap", It was FREE.


And lastly, if you're going to  delve deeper into  these comparisons then   start using some accuracy.  Awakening is NOT a DLC.  It was Billed, Marketed and Sold as a full expansion pack on hard copy.  You wanna know why the expectations were so high?  THAT is why.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 06 septembre 2010 - 09:22 .

[termokanden]

People buy Modern Warfare 2 for its multi-player function, not for its single player campaign. Huge difference. If Dragon Age was a multi-player game you wouldn't see people here complaining that its expansion pack was so short.

I don't see the difference. Compared to what you pay, they actually provide very little actual new content. It's kind of shameless to release old maps as part of these map packs as well.

You can argue that Awakening isn't as good as Origins, but at least you get some actual content for your money. That really was just all I wanted to say with all of this. I also think SOME of the new talents and specializations are fun, although they really seem to have completely disregarded any and all balance concerns.

And Warden's Keep wasn't "cheap", It was FREE.

I tend to forget because it's listed at a certain number of points in the list of DLC every time I start the game. I.e. it is not listed as free. I think I got Shale also as part of the bargain when I bought the game.

Guessing it's kind of like the Cerberus Network. Comes free with every game, but it's locked to your account, presumably to make it more difficult to trade used games.

And lastly, if you're going to delve deeper into these comparisons then start using some accuracy. Awakening is NOT a DLC. It was Billed, Marketed and Sold as a full expansion pack on hard copy. You wanna know why the expectations were so high? THAT is why.

Where's the lack of accuracy? It is an expansion that is available as DLC. So it is perfectly accurate to consider it to be DLC as well. Who says you should expect less of DLC that is NOT labeled as expansions anyway?

We are talking about how much you're paying and what you're getting for that price. It seems perfectly reasonable to compare it to the DLC for the game, particularly considering how I've been told in this very thread that I have to consider the general standard of Bioware's products. This is what I tried to do.

Modifié par termokanden, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:42 .

[ladydesire]

Yrkoon wrote...

People buy Modern Warfare 2 for its multi-player function, not for its single player campaign.  Huge difference.  If Dragon Age was a multi-player game you wouldn't see people here complaining that its expansion pack was so short.

Sure you would, as not everybody buys a game for the multiplayer content it might have.

And Warden's Keep wasn't "cheap", It was FREE.

Only for people that bought the Collecter's Edition (I think that's the version that had the code for it) of the game; everyone else had to pay for it or not buy it.

And lastly, if you're going to  delve deeper into  these comparisons then   start using some accuracy.  Awakening is NOT a DLC.  It was Billed, Marketed and Sold as a full expansion pack on hard copy.  You wanna know why the expectations were so high?  THAT is why.

This is true for PC, Mac, and XBox 360 in all regions it was sold; in Europe on PS3, it was only available in downloadable format, as I recall, so don't fault someone that might have had no other option but to buy it digitally for their system for thinking it was a DLC.

[termokanden]

Hah, but I'm not beeing fooled into thinking it was DLC. It *is* DLC because it is downloadable content. That's what it means. In a sense the whole game is DLC since I bought it over Steam, but I think the normal definition of DLC is that it adds to an existing game.

To clarify. Awakening is an expansion that is available as downloadable content, therefore it is both DLC and an expansion, by definition.

Anyway this is getting to be a rather pointless argument about semantics and not really on topic. I enjoy that sort of thing myself, but I get the feeling that most people don't

Modifié par termokanden, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[Yrkoon]

ladydesire wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

People buy Modern Warfare 2 for its multi-player function, not for its single player campaign.  Huge difference.  If Dragon Age was a multi-player game you wouldn't see people here complaining that its expansion pack was so short.

Sure you would, as not everybody buys a game for the multiplayer content it might have.

however EVERYONE  who bought DA: O bought it for its single player campaign.

And Warden's Keep wasn't "cheap", It was FREE.

Only for people that bought the Collecter's Edition (I think that's the version that had the code for it) of the game; everyone else had to pay for it or not buy it.

No.  That's not true at all.    I didn't buy the collector's edition.    I bought the standard run of the mill copy of DA:O,  I got codes for   Stone Prisoner, Soldier's Keep and Blood Dragon armor inside.

And lastly, if you're going to  delve deeper into  these comparisons then   start using some accuracy.  Awakening is NOT a DLC.  It was Billed, Marketed and Sold as a full expansion pack on hard copy.  You wanna know why the expectations were so high?  THAT is why.

This is true for PC, Mac, and XBox 360 in all regions it was sold; in Europe on PS3, it was only available in downloadable format, as I recall, so don't fault someone that might have had no other option but to buy it digitally for their system for thinking it was a DLC.

What in the world are you talking about?    Awakening is an expansion pack even if it's avaliable for download  (just like DA;O itself is).  Period.  You wanna go call the  Bioware people a bunch of liars and false advertisers, you go ahead.  But I'm sticking to the accepted classifications.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:44 .

[Hayllee]

I personally enjoyed Awakening, but seem to be part of the minority. Being a human noble I think helped though, because befriending Nathaniel and kicking Bann Esmerelle's ass was awesome.

Modifié par Hayllee, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:51 .

[Ski Mask Wei]

My main beefs with Awakening's was the $40 price tag and the fact that right when it starts to get good it's over.

[termokanden]

Yrkoon wrote...

What in the world are you talking about?    Awakening is an expansion pack even if it's avaliable for download  (just like DA;O itself is).  Period.  You wanna go call the  Bioware people a bunch of liars and false advertisers, you go ahead.  But I'm sticking to the accepted classifications.

Nobody said that though. It's not really fair to start yelling at people for calling it DLC either when it IS available as DLC. It's also an expansion at the same time.

That's no the issue here anyway. It's just whether you got enough value for money. I don't see why you should expect more for your money just because it's labelled an expansion. That's not to say you don't have a right to be disappointed about it. You do. It's a subjective matter though.

I am not fully decided on Awakening yet at all, but I do think already just with the extra talents and specializations, I feel like I got way more out of this than most of the other DLC put together. Just too bad you can't use those new things in Origins.

[Sean]

I got DAO (360) and it only came with Stone Prisoner and Blood Dragon Armor and I had to pay for Warden's Keep. I heard that it was only early copies of DAO that came with a code for Warden's Keep

[MarcusDarkstar]

Anybody else think awakening's quality was way lower than DAO?



short answer yes. I typically have more fun with origins. While i do like some parts of Awakening I do overall like origins better than it.

[Tigress M]

I've had Awakening for months now and have only played it through once. DA:O, however, I've had since Christmas and have run through it countless times. I keep telling myself it's just hat I don't like the character(s) but in reality I just didn't find it as fun as I did DA:O.

[fallingseraph]

Its like they all rushed it to completion to allocate their resources into DA 2 instead of giving a crap about something they sold.

[AZdave66]

"OK, it was downright bad. Awakening was WAAAAAY too easy. I mean you could easily smoke Revenants and anything else thrown at you with total ease. The content was very bug ridden and bordering on unplayable. I'm sorry I bought it." I completely agree, Bio Ware should be ashamed of themselves, I am running win7 64 bit DAO runs like a champ, I can't even get DAO-A to play due to freezing up...does any one know how to get by this (FIX) it. I am really disappointed.

[Xen5s]

Not one thing about this game was even remotely decent. I liked DAO very much and because of that I trusted that bioware would make a semi-decent follow up. I was sadly mistaken,thankfully I was able to return it to gamestop otherwise I may have broken the disc and sent it back to bioware in protest.At best this was DLC, I feel a little nervous about buying anymore bioware games until they go in the used games bin.The entire game was a typical EA glitchfest couple that with a horrible end boss,wimpy mobs,and a storyline a 1st grader probably wrote and you got a whole lot of people mad they wasted money and time, me included. Please don't rush through ME3 or I will have to shake my fist in anger and boycott EA forever.

[Caladon]

More bugs and it only realy makes sense for one ending. Having said that vigils keep and all that was involved there was nice the main city of the area should have been alot bigger. but the story wasnt bad the new chars were fun but I realy think they should have brought more of the old chars to it and the biggest let down was that your armour and wepaons from wardens keep do not transfer yet the game acts as you have completed it and lets you have the powers and makes a damn story reference to it.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

I didn't hate the plot, but it suffered mainly because I didn't like any of my companions. I was beyond disappointed that there was virtually no connection between it and Origins. I didn't exactly have high expectations with disappointingly poor DLC after DLC, so only got around to playing it one night at my GF's house (unlike me, she liked it-strange woman). 9 hours and several cokes later, I began questioning what I see in my GF if she actually enjoyed it (then again, she LIKED Alistair, so that should have warned me to take her opinion with a grain of salt).



My freverent hope is that there are multiple teams working on DA, and that Awakenings was done by the same team that has pumped out blatantly anemic money-grabbing DLC and that it is a completely seperate team from the team that gave us Origins and the team that is working on DA2. I really really hope so.

[JaegerBane]

My biggest issue about Awakening was the veritable horde of bugs running rampant. Some of the issues - like not being able to make one of your followers a Grey Warden if you didn't do Blackmarsh last - were blatant examples of poor QA.

However, from the standpoint of story, content, characters and gear, I couldn't fault it. I don't really know what people were expecting from an expansion, but I was a little taken aback by some of the vitriol that it got. Ok, it wasn't as good as NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer. So what? It was an interesting story with some kick-ass stuff, some excellent extra classes (Battlemage being so damn good I modded DA:O to get it available) and some of the characters were very well done (Justice, Anders and Nathaniel being my big faves). And it had Vigilance, one of *the* coolest RPG weapons I've ever come across.

[Hotspur000]

Wow -- I was just coming here to specifically post about how, despite all the glitches, I'm actually enjoying Awakenings more than Origins. The stories are more interesting, there's more of an attention to detail both in the quests and the graphics, and overall it's just tighter.

Too many needless characters, but -- yeah. I think it's definitely stronger than Origins.

Although I do agree it's too easy.  I've got it on Nightmare and I still cut through everything like a hot knife through butter. 

Modifié par Hotspur000, 19 septembre 2010 - 09:38 .

[Vena_86]

DWSmiley wrote...
... far too rushed.  Even as it was, having Nathaniel go quickly from foe to friend didn't seem believable.  Overall, I enjoyed it.

This in particular disturbed me quite a bit. His character would have been so much more interesting if you would have to work on his approval like with Sten (atleast for me) but there should also be a better story reason to take him along. I only didn't let him rot because I needed a rouge. Overall it just was very unrealistic and the character not nearly as interesting as Zevran.

[Yrkoon]

Vena_86 wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...
... far too rushed.  Even as it was, having Nathaniel go quickly from foe to friend didn't seem believable.  Overall, I enjoyed it.

This in particular disturbed me quite a bit. His character would have been so much more interesting if you would have to work on his approval like with Sten (atleast for me) but there should also be a better story reason to take him along. I only didn't let him rot because I needed a rouge. Overall it just was very unrealistic and the character not nearly as interesting as Zevran.

Exactly.

Also interesting to note... Oghren is the complete opposite scenario.  Here you've got a guy that your imported Warden has known for a long time, and possibly gotten  to 100 approval way before killing the Archdemon.  But for some  odd reason or another,  gaining approval with him in Awakening is like pulling teeth., I for one, have never been able to get his approval higher than about 60.

[JayTheWolf]

I haven't even finished Awakening. I started out the game really enjoying where it was going, was giddy when Oghren showed up... but as the game started going on, I was wondering when it was going to get interesting. I already put about 7 hours in, and I deleted the game I had in it because I didn't really care what happened to the characters. Normally, BioWare's really good at making characters unforgettable. I can't even been mean to Tali from Mass Effect 2 in my Renegade playthrough.

And if you've played and finished the Overlord DLC for ME2, you know how amazing BioWare is with creating these scenes/characters/settings that you really feel... if you know what I mean.



I'm willing to put Awakening behind me because I respect BioWare's game producing capabilities. I have faith they'll make DA2 their best yet. And I can't wait for ME3.

[sansaserif]

I agree with everything the OP said except for the story. It was a good idea and well-plotted. I actually supported and believed the Architect.