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[Dean_the_Young]

As opposed to the usual question of 'which is your favorite romance' or 'which one is the sweetest/most romantic.'

Is there a particular romance you look at and think 'that is not a good idea'? The sort of pairing that, Maker forbid, makes you agree with Wynn? (, for all those wanting to do so.)


Any Origin, any of the romances, official or even suggestive in game-flirting. (Or, I suppose, the fannon-only romances that have become popular.)

[Elhanan]

Romancing Morrigan and Lil at the same time.

I have done this in game for laughs, as I have seen and heard this in RL from friends on both sides of the gender divide. This written turmoil is spot on....

"But Honey! All I did was tell her how nice she looked in that dress! She is the one that.... *SLAP*!!!

Modifié par Elhanan, 03 septembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[CalJones]

The Alistair romance for anyone other than a Cousland who doesn't mind if Alistair plays hide the sausage with Morrigan to save his skin.

For mages, other races, anyone who has any inclination to show Loghain mercy and anyone who objects to Morrigan's hellspawn, it's not going to end well.

[CalJones]

Oh and PS, even if you're a Cousland queen consort, be prepared to one day find a letter from cuddly uncle Eamon urging Alistair to put you aside because you've failed to provide an heir. He does stuff like that.

[Forst1999]

Leliana if you do the ultimate Sacrifice. After i understood that her epilogue likely means that she killed herself i was a sad panda. Maybe Wynne was right, my much to dutiful warden should have stayed alone...

[sylvanaerie]

Blow up in your face? I'd have to say Morrigan "I just hung out with you for your little swimmers" and her godbaby plans.

Second worse scenario: lacking the desire or wit to remain Alistair's mistress (or being a HNF who doesn't marry him) after you crowned him king DUH!



And I agree with Elhanan, the most fun I had in the game with a romance was when I played my HNM and had Morrigan and Leliana both interested in the boy. I ran to Orzammar and kept hitting banter trigger points (one inside the hall of paragons and one outside the provings) to get their catfight banters. Funny as hell!!

[CalJones]

I'll have to try that. Maybe I could throw Zev in for good measure. I'm sure he'd just be amused though, and ask for a foursome.

[sylvanaerie]

CalJones wrote...

I'll have to try that. Maybe I could throw Zev in for good measure. I'm sure he'd just be amused though, and ask for a foursome.

LMAO Probably!

[highcastle]

CalJones wrote...

I'll have to try that. Maybe I could throw Zev in for good measure. I'm sure he'd just be amused though, and ask for a foursome.

Actually Zev gets quite upset about the warden two-timing him...once you get his relationship values up high enough, of course. I normally only romance him, but during one early playthrough I discovered the hard way that just talking to Leliana is enough to get that girl seeing hearts. All of a sudden I have Zev coming up to me saying that it's alright, he understands, I should just go be with her, etc. It was all very sad, especially with the animations they used for his expression, as though he'd anticipated this and didn't even consider that the warden might pick him. That one encounter taught me to be much more careful when talking to Lel.

OT: I don't necessarily think Morrigan's blows up in your face. Obviously it doesn't go as planned, but if the warden has romanced her and she's in love with him, she looks genuinely pained at the thought of leaving. I guess we'll all find out the consequences in Witch Hunt. As others have said, it's the Alistair romance with anyone but a Cousland that really explodes.

[Sarah1281]

I'm convinced that if you stay as mistress to a not-married-to-Anora Alistair then it will blow up in your face as he WILL get married to someone else and falls in love easily. He's not going to want to hurt his new Queen, even pre-love, by carrying on with you and if she doesn't accept it then he'll be very sorry but you're out.

[wickedgoodreed]

A romance with Leliana and any warden stupid enough to do things like defile the sacred ashes with her in the party.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm convinced that if you stay as mistress to a not-married-to-Anora Alistair then it will blow up in your face as he WILL get married to someone else and falls in love easily. He's not going to want to hurt his new Queen, even pre-love, by carrying on with you and if she doesn't accept it then he'll be very sorry but you're out.

That's one way of looking at it, but considering there is no codex entry or indication in the romance this is canon (Since you are still his mistress as of Awakenings) that is simply your opinion, not a fact.

I still think (until anything is said differently in the Witch Hunt DLC) that Morrigan's is by far the most tragic of the romances.  She is with the PC for the Godbaby only.  That she falls in love wasn't her plan but she sure doesn't hesitate to just dump your boy on his ass when she takes off.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm convinced that if you stay as mistress to a not-married-to-Anora Alistair then it will blow up in your face as he WILL get married to someone else and falls in love easily. He's not going to want to hurt his new Queen, even pre-love, by carrying on with you and if she doesn't accept it then he'll be very sorry but you're out.

You're assuming he falls out of love with the Warden?  Bah.  I don't think it will be simple by any means, but the Warden is the love of his life and as long as she stays with him, I don't see his devotion waning.  I usually let him rule alone so that you have a chance to make a political marriage that's more amicable than Anora's, but a political marriage is still a political marriage.  Obviously you would make the marriage with all cards laid on the table, so the prospective queen would know what she is getting into.  Like Anora, there are certain women who want the power and aren't looking for a love match.  This was very common historically among European nobility.

A hardened Alistair is more of a pragmatist about matters of romance and sex, after all- see "wet frocks."

Where I see the possible complications coming are politically, especially if the Warden mistress is an elf or a mage or, Maker forbid, both.  His enemies will use this against him.  But any ending where you make Alistair king is going to have to deal with messy politics.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 septembre 2010 - 04:10 .

[Sarah1281]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm convinced that if you stay as mistress to a not-married-to-Anora Alistair then it will blow up in your face as he WILL get married to someone else and falls in love easily. He's not going to want to hurt his new Queen, even pre-love, by carrying on with you and if she doesn't accept it then he'll be very sorry but you're out.

That's one way of looking at it, but considering there is no codex entry or indication in the romance this is canon (Since you are still his mistress as of Awakenings) that is simply your opinion, not a fact.

I still think (until anything is said differently in the Witch Hunt DLC) that Morrigan's is by far the most tragic of the romances.  She is with the PC for the Godbaby only.  That she falls in love wasn't her plan but she sure doesn't hesitate to just dump your boy on his ass when she takes off.

Yes, I know that this is my opinion. That's why I said 'I'm convinced that...' in a thread that asks 'which relationship do you think is most likely to blow up in everyone's face.' I did not say 'Oh, and all you Mistress-ending people are SOL because Alistair is just that fickle' or anything of the sort. My opinion is that the mistress ending won't really work out and I'm not pretending that it's anything more than my take on it. Awakening is less than a year later so that's hardly a good indication one way or another.

Edit: 

You're assuming he falls out of love with the Warden?  Bah.  I don't think it will be simple by any means, but the Warden is the love of his life and as long as she stays with him, I don't see his devotion waning.  

The Warden may be a love in his life but until he dies having never loved anyone more than her, it's a bit premature to call his first girlfriend the love of his life.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 03 septembre 2010 - 04:37 .

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm convinced that if you stay as mistress to a not-married-to-Anora Alistair then it will blow up in your face as he WILL get married to someone else and falls in love easily. He's not going to want to hurt his new Queen, even pre-love, by carrying on with you and if she doesn't accept it then he'll be very sorry but you're out.

This is mainly the reason why I feel so uneasy going the mistress route - that, and I would personally not agree to be someone's dirty secret, no matter how much I might love said someone.

Though the ending in Awakenings has me scratching my head a little. If I remember correctly, he doesn't get married or anything, he just up and leaves with the Warden, never to be seen again? If that's true, someone else probably has to take over as monarch.

Maybe he gave the reigns to the kingdom back to Anora, and Eamon had a stroke.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Warden may be a love in his life but until he dies having never loved anyone more than her, it's a bit premature to call his first girlfriend the love of his life.

That's what he calls his PC lover, not my words.

This equally applies to any of the LIs, BTW.  I guess that you're assuming it's more of a risk with Alistair (or with HN in the case of marrying Anora and trying to keep Leli or Zev on the side) because there is a political marriage involved.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 septembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Warden may be a love in his life but until he dies having never loved anyone more than her, it's a bit premature to call his first girlfriend the love of his life.

That's what he calls his PC lover, not my words.

This equally applies to any of the LIs, BTW.  I guess that you're assuming it's more of a risk with Alistair (or with HN in the case of marrying Anora and trying to keep Leli or Zev on the side) because there is a political marriage involved.

I think it's more of a risk because he's getting married to someone else and you do have to deal with all sorts of politics that wouldn't be involved if you were involved with someone else or even with Warden Alistair. Although I think that the couple in question would have to be together far longer than just the year that origins shows before the term 'love of my life' is appropriate. Or you'd have to have the relationship ended and several years pass and still feel that way for me to really believe it to be accurate.

Once again, I am not trying to pass my opinion off as fact.

[sylvanaerie]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm convinced that if you stay as mistress to a not-married-to-Anora Alistair then it will blow up in your face as he WILL get married to someone else and falls in love easily. He's not going to want to hurt his new Queen, even pre-love, by carrying on with you and if she doesn't accept it then he'll be very sorry but you're out.

This is mainly the reason why I feel so uneasy going the mistress route - that, and I would personally not agree to be someone's dirty secret, no matter how much I might love said someone.

Though the ending in Awakenings has me scratching my head a little. If I remember correctly, he doesn't get married or anything, he just up and leaves with the Warden, never to be seen again? If that's true, someone else probably has to take over as monarch.

Maybe he gave the reigns to the kingdom back to Anora, and Eamon had a stroke.

I that idea

[cmessaz]

I have to admit that I hate the mistress ending, and I don't see it turning out well in any scenario but that's just my opinion, I know I get outvoted a lot. I think Alistair would begin to care for his new queen and eventually it would end for the warden. Even if not, having the man I love married to someone else doesn't thrill me. Personally I won't make Alistair king with an elf, because I can't have one of my elves be mistress, it's like asking for trouble for Alistair to have an elven lover on the side.



However, it is my opinion really, even though Queen Cousland is my favorite playthrough, that making Anora sole ruler and running off together to rebuild the wardens is probably the happiest Alistair ending.



No need to fight about it, this is just my 2 cents

[ejoslin]

CalJones wrote...

I'll have to try that. Maybe I could throw Zev in for good measure. I'm sure he'd just be amused though, and ask for a foursome.

Nope.  Unfortunately, no banter about it at all.  Only cat-fight type banter is with Alistair, and only if you have a bug fix in that fixes what was keeping it out.  And it's only one.  And you don't have to have both romanced to get it (though you get a catty remark from Zevran if the romance is open with both).

Edit: And I agree that the one most likely to blow up in your face is Morrigan.  Though my first play through, Alistair's blew up in my face completely (he wasn't hardened, my warden was a city elf).  But at least there's a chance with Alistair for it to work out, even if you have to metagame a bit.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 septembre 2010 - 05:43 .

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 I think it's more of a risk because he's getting married to someone else and you do have to deal with all sorts of politics that wouldn't be involved if you were involved with someone else or even with Warden Alistair. Although I think that the couple in question would have to be together far longer than just the year that origins shows before the term 'love of my life' is appropriate. Or you'd have to have the relationship ended and several years pass and still feel that way for me to really believe it to be accurate.

Once again, I am not trying to pass my opinion off as fact.

I understand you're just opining.  So am I.  And I actually pick it as 2nd most problematic after Morrigan, too, though for the political implications as I said.  It's still my favorite ending.  It's more romantic to me to think of the Warden and Alistair working through all that together and then going on their Calling.  The fact that you are marked as Wardens together, and all the crap you went through together in the Blight, I do not see him giving up on that for some noblewoman he has to marry just to satisfy the politicos.  Just not IC for Alistair, as I see it.

I also think that it can be very amicable if you find the right queen.  In my canon story-  I might get around to writing it out someday, probably not- he marries a woman who swings both ways and has her own mistress.    But I understand that some people don't like the idea of him ever touching another woman regardless of where his affections lie.  Cue the Dark Ritual. 

[Sarah1281]

The fact that you are marked as Wardens together, and all the crap you went through together in the Blight, I do not see him giving up on that for some noblewoman he has to marry just to satisfy the politicos. Just not IC for Alistair, as I see it.

I wouldn't think it would be very 'IC' for any of the shem-hating elves (and yes, I know that not everyone plays their elf Warden like that but plenty do) to fall in love with Alistair and yet it's generally accepted that they couldn't help it if they fell in love with him because he's just that awesome and understanding so I don't see how it would be OOC for Alistiar to fall for a really awesome and understanding Queen. It WOULD be OOC for him to not feel terrible about it for his Mistress' sake but he wouldn't be able to help it anymore than those Wardens Alistair fans play who never wanted to get involved with a human before, well, they did.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The fact that you are marked as Wardens together, and all the crap you went through together in the Blight, I do not see him giving up on that for some noblewoman he has to marry just to satisfy the politicos. Just not IC for Alistair, as I see it.

I wouldn't think it would be very 'IC' for any of the shem-hating elves (and yes, I know that not everyone plays their elf Warden like that but plenty do) to fall in love with Alistair and yet it's generally accepted that they couldn't help it if they fell in love with him because he's just that awesome and understanding so I don't see how it would be OOC for Alistiar to fall for a really awesome and understanding Queen. It WOULD be OOC for him to not feel terrible about it for his Mistress' sake but he wouldn't be able to help it anymore than those Wardens Alistair fans play who never wanted to get involved with a human before, well, they did.

Does Alistair feel terrible about the idea of Isabela sharing him one week every summer?  If the Warden says "no way," sure.  If she doesn't, he sounds rather intrigued by the idea.

And there is no "OOC" for a PC, because you can RP a PC however you like.  My canon elf mage is an Andrastian who got nothing but really awful crap from her own people and spent more time around humans than elves.  She doesn't know a Dalish elf from a Qunari.  Alistair got nothing but crap from humans.  They have a lot in common.