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[Sarah1281]

You're not awesome at the Landsmeet. To the nobles there, you are just a whippersnapper Warden shaking your fist at Loghain and trying to grab power by putting another Warden on the throne, and you have to prove that's not the case. I don't get why a HNF can get away with declaring herself queen there either, and without knowing the outcome, I wouldn't have tried it.

Post-Blight you're awesome but you're still not considered proper Queen material. You yourself can have all sorts of perks (and I do wonder what happens if an elf or dwarf Warden had an elf or dwarf child and decided to pass the teynir on to them) but it doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want to.

A Cousland can be Queen as they fit the bill of 1) human, 2) not a mage, 3) nobility and they're just the consort. If people knew about the fertility issues it might not have been accepted so they don't.

I was only talking about her heir, not the Warden herself. I didn't make myself clear, there. The Bann-thing is something I didn't know about, and it strikes me as a bit odd.

Yeah, someone found the bugged (or removed, I guess) bann epilogues. Shianni, if bann, is murdered. You, if bann, don't die but there are still riots and problems. The people won't even accept their elven hero as a minor nobility much less Queen.

Thanks for the response. I pity the dwarf woman trying to squeeze out a half-human baby. Good thing they have broad hips.

Humans are taller than dwarves but that wouldn't be a problem with childbirth, I don't think. On the contrary, I think that the fact that dwarves are stouter than other races means that a human or an elf trying to have a half (or full) dwarven baby would have more trouble with delivery.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 04 septembre 2010 - 05:11 .

[Giggles_Manically]

How does Shianni die if made Bann?

When I made her Bann once, all that happened was that she was a loud vocal proponent for the Alienage, but she led it well.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

How does Shianni die if made Bann?
When I made her Bann once, all that happened was that she was a loud vocal proponent for the Alienage, but she led it well.

It was in an epilogue slide someone found in the toolset. When I made her bann, I did not get an epilogue slide for her at all. I think the slide you're talking about is the one you get if she's NOT bann and just becomes Valendrian's successor.

It was over in the Alistair thread awhile back. I think TMP found it but I'm not positive.

Edit: And as for the 'how', she's murdered by a drunken human pissed at the elves having a bann.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 04 septembre 2010 - 05:14 .

[Giggles_Manically]

So its another unimplemented part of the game then?

[errant_knight]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

I wonder if the Warden's Keep DLC doesn't add some new opportunities to the whole King Alistair/mistress scenario. If Avernus found a way to dodge his Calling for as long as he has, who's to say he can't find a way to alleviate some Taint-induced fertility issues? And the Warden can - and is, during Awakening - be made a noblewoman, so with the heir-thing out of the way, she and Alistair could even be able to get married. Provided Avernus manages to deliver, that is - and he probably would not like the prospect of spending what he has of his life left doing that, either way.

If Awakening is to be trusted, however, Alistair eventually leaves the royal court to be with the Warden. Metagaming, I'd just spare myself the trouble and have Anora queened from the get-go.

I think the Awakening ending was an opening for an abandoned expansion, in the same way that the ending of the first left the path open for Awakening, although more specific. To my mind, it became meaningless when they tossed DA:O for DA2.

I simply don't believe that Alistair would abandon the throne when he is willing to break up with the warden when he thinks it's his duty. Leave for a quest secretly so no one could try and disuade him, yes. Disappear forever, no.

Modifié par errant_knight, 04 septembre 2010 - 05:19 .

[cmessaz]

Doesn't appear correctly for me either (city elf epilogue) but I read it in the toolset, I believe Sarah is right.

[Sarah1281]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

How does Shianni die if made Bann?
When I made her Bann once, all that happened was that she was a loud vocal proponent for the Alienage, but she led it well.

It was in an epilogue slide someone found in the toolset. When I made her bann, I did not get an epilogue slide for her at all. I think the slide you're talking about is the one you get if she's NOT bann and just becomes Valendrian's successor.

It was over in the Alistair thread awhile back. I think TMP found it but I'm not positive.

Edit: And as for the 'how', she's murdered by a drunken human pissed at the elves having a bann.

... Definitely not making her Bann, then. Isn't there an option to make your father Bann, as well? Does he get killed too?

Your father becomes bann if you do the US. I don't believe that there is a 'murdered Cyrion' epilogue slide but, again, not positive. It could just be because he's old he's not around for as long as Shianni was before being murdered.

[Addai]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

I wonder if the Warden's Keep DLC doesn't add some new opportunities to the whole King Alistair/mistress scenario. If Avernus found a way to dodge his Calling for as long as he has, who's to say he can't find a way to alleviate some Taint-induced fertility issues? And the Warden can - and is, during Awakening - be made a noblewoman, so with the heir-thing out of the way, she and Alistair could even be able to get married. Provided Avernus manages to deliver, that is - and he probably would not like the prospect of spending what he has of his life left doing that, either way.

If Awakening is to be trusted, however, Alistair eventually leaves the royal court to be with the Warden. Metagaming, I'd just spare myself the trouble and have Anora queened from the get-go.

I think others have already argued the point, but I'll say I don't consider it realistic to the world that an elf or a dwarf could bear the royal heir no matter who she is.

Avernus might make an interesting angle for a Cousland consort epilogue, though there you would be taking the risk of rumors that you'd used blood magic.

[Addai]

Because people always talk. There are other people who know about Avernus besides you, and the royal couple can never move freely. Even if you're just visiting him or associated with him, it could be an issue.



As I said upthread, a King Alistair is going to have a complicated life no matter who the Warden is.