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[nelly21]

So I'm absurdly excited about the upcoming dlc. Liara isn't my favorite LI (as if my sig doesn't give it away ) but I do have one particularly rengadish vanguard Shep that romanced the lovely blue lady. So I decided to finally dust him off and continue his story. But now, as I'm playing a thought occured to me. In the interest of role-playing, my vanguard would probably "cheat" on her. ( I can debate whether it's cheating or not but whatever ).

Since this Shep likes nice girls, I'm thinking he'll probably corrupt Tali. He should like Jack but to actually romace her you have get pretty emotional with her which Douche Sheperd (that's his name) wouldn't do. My question is this: Will the reprecussion of cheating be noticed in this dlc? Quite frankly, if there is a bad ass cat fight I will happily have Douche romance Jack. Well not happily but, you get what I mean.

[Alphia]

If there is a cat fight that means they need to bring back the LI voice actors (hard to imagine a cat fight with one side not saying any thing). And I fully endorse this notion.



My renegade male Shep romanced Liara and cheated too, so I'm very curious to see how it's handled.

[xlavaina]

I would love to see something like that hahaha. But I'll watch it on Youtube. I didn't romance anyone in ME1.

[upsettingshorts]

Only if the Renegade option for Shepard is "Get popcorn."

[crimzontearz]

honestly, I just want to be able to break it up with Liara and tell her to take a hike given that she picked avenging Feron ever coming with me in ME2.



If I get reports that the whole "rekindling" is actually worth it and not plagued by the crappy writing that affected Liara in her encounter on Nos Astra then I might think about making a new run and stick with her but I find it hard to believe

[Soul Reaver]

I doubt it. And besides, it's not cheating, you were on a break

[crimzontearz]

Soul Reaver wrote...

I doubt it. And besides, it's not cheating, you were on a break

oh but don't you know? Bioware is traking the cheaters!!!

-shakes my head- such BS

[upsettingshorts]

You know who gets to define cheating in the relationship?



Liara.



It depends on how she views the relationship and how much of a betrayal she views your affair. How seriously you take it probably comes into it to.



That's my guess, anyway.

[crimzontearz]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You know who gets to define cheating in the relationship?

Liara.

It depends on how she views the relationship and how much of a betrayal she views your affair. How seriously you take it probably comes into it to.

That's my guess, anyway.

look here's how I see it.

in the face of the fact you are about to enter a mission  from which NO ONE has ever returned she says "oh I cannot, I have other things to do...places to go.....people to kill". That is not what a lover/life partner does...at all....EVER. Bioware seems to think her "excuse" should be ok, logical and understandable for us to hang on to her but to me it sounds like a slap in the face.

Imagine telling your girlfriend "hon...I am having a cancerous growth removed tomorrow, chances are I might not survive.....will you be there for me?"

and her answer "you know dear, I'm sorry but I have to go and kick someone's *** tomorrow before they leave town....but hey if you survive I'll be here. Oh and while you are out would you mind  finding out what her address is?."


no
no
oh HELL NO

that is as good to me as a full fledged break up and for bioware to aribtrarily have Liara decide the degree of the "cheating" is just ridiculous

[upsettingshorts]

I think they coulda worded it better. I interpreted it as Liara asking for some space. I can respect that, I at no means left the conversation as a break up.

[crimzontearz]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I think they coulda worded it better. I interpreted it as Liara asking for some space. I can respect that, I at no means left the conversation as a break up.

asking for space?

no she flat out picks going after the shadow broker over being with you in the moment of need. Sorry but as much as she might not have said "it's over" she showed us her priorities...and we are not within them.

and no I do not buy the whole "oh I am too distraught about giving your body to cerberus" that makes very little sense since shepard is stillhimself, still has his whole freedom of choice and he forgives her for it.

[Barquiel]

I think catfights would be ooc for all characters (except Jack, maybe)



...and I don't expect Liara to drop everything because Shepard is back. Shep was dead for 2 years, after all.

[crimzontearz]

Barquiel wrote...

I think catfights would be ooc for all characters (except Jack, maybe)

...and I don't expect Liara to drop everything because Shepard is back. Shep was dead for 2 years, after all.

yeah.....2 years for a creature that can live 1000+ who also knew shepard was coming back through the lazarus project....still do not buy it

[thepaladin1]

she cheated on you with that drell I can see it nowz!

and its still cheating even if she thought you were dead:P

Modifié par thepaladin1, 03 septembre 2010 - 05:13 .

[Barquiel]

crimzontearz wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think catfights would be ooc for all characters (except Jack, maybe)

...and I don't expect Liara to drop everything because Shepard is back. Shep was dead for 2 years, after all.

yeah.....2 years for a creature that can live 1000+ who also knew shepard was coming back through the lazarus project....still do not buy it

- 2 years are 2 years...the lifespan doesn't matter. Do you expect her to sit in Miranda's office...waiting for news?

- Liara doesn't know that the lazarus project would be successful. As Miranda said "it will take a very long time, if it works at all"

Modifié par Barquiel, 03 septembre 2010 - 05:24 .

[Moiaussi]

If we can't have an epic cat fight.... epic three way?

[upsettingshorts]

thepaladin1 wrote...

she cheated on you with that drell I can see it nowz!

and its still cheating even if she thought you were dead:P

Personally? I wouldn't consider it cheating if she moved on.  And I wouldn't expect the reunion to be anything other than awkward - at first - regardless.

[crimzontearz]

Barquiel wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think catfights would be ooc for all characters (except Jack, maybe)

...and I don't expect Liara to drop everything because Shepard is back. Shep was dead for 2 years, after all.

yeah.....2 years for a creature that can live 1000+ who also knew shepard was coming back through the lazarus project....still do not buy it

- 2 years are 2 years...the lifespan doesn't matter. Do you expect her to wait in Miranda's office...waiting for news?

- Liara doesn't know that the lazarus project would be successful. As Miranda said "it will take a very long time, if it works at all"

asari are described as incredibly patient creatures whose machiavellian machinations can take centuries to bear fruit....I'd say that skews with their perception of "acceptable waiting period" if you will

also

that matters little, Shepard is back, he is alive and he needs her, she says NO. Fine, She places other priorities over Shepard. I'm not gonna feel guilty about moving on then

[Moiaussi]

crimzontearz wrote...

asari are described as incredibly patient creatures whose machiavellian machinations can take centuries to bear fruit....I'd say that skews with their perception of "acceptable waiting period" if you will

also

that matters little, Shepard is back, he is alive and he needs her, she says NO. Fine, She places other priorities over Shepard. I'm not gonna feel guilty about moving on then

As the saying goes, 'individual milage may vary.' Also Liara is still young. There are plenty of examples of Asari being reckless or flighty in game, including Samara's youth.

[PROKNIFER69]

Moiaussi wrote...

If we can't have an epic cat fight.... epic three way?

i approve of this epic three way!

[crimzontearz]

Moiaussi wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

asari are described as incredibly patient creatures whose machiavellian machinations can take centuries to bear fruit....I'd say that skews with their perception of "acceptable waiting period" if you will

also

that matters little, Shepard is back, he is alive and he needs her, she says NO. Fine, She places other priorities over Shepard. I'm not gonna feel guilty about moving on then

As the saying goes, 'individual milage may vary.' Also Liara is still young. There are plenty of examples of Asari being reckless or flighty in game, including Samara's youth.

yeah I know

still as I said, she makes her priorities clear, I wish I'll be able to throw that in her face when she asks me to reconcile

[Barquiel]

crimzontearz wrote...

asari are described as incredibly patient creatures whose machiavellian machinations can take centuries to bear fruit....I'd say that skews with their perception of "acceptable waiting period" if you will

also

that matters little, Shepard is back, he is alive and he needs her, she says NO. Fine, She places other priorities over Shepard. I'm not gonna feel guilty about moving on then

Liara is still in her maiden stage.
"The Maiden stage begins at birth and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless. "

Yes, she says NO.
Liara wants to rescue Feron, because she (and Shepard) owes him her life...and she knows that the SB works for the collectors.
btw...Wrex says NO...or Tali on freedoms progress.
Your Shepard isn't the centre of the universe.

Modifié par Barquiel, 03 septembre 2010 - 05:44 .

[crimzontearz]

Barquiel wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

asari are described as incredibly patient creatures whose machiavellian machinations can take centuries to bear fruit....I'd say that skews with their perception of "acceptable waiting period" if you will

also

that matters little, Shepard is back, he is alive and he needs her, she says NO. Fine, She places other priorities over Shepard. I'm not gonna feel guilty about moving on then

Liara is still in her maiden stage.
"The Maiden stage begins at birth and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless. "

Yes, she says NO.
Liara wants to rescue Feron, because she (and Shepard) owes him her life...and she knows that the SB works for the collectors.
btw...Wrex says NO...or Tali on freedoms progress.
Your Shepard isn't the centre of the universe.

WO......big difference....Wrex is leading a WHOLE clan who need him...he is restoring tuchanka and succeeding. I'll agree that THAT is a good freaking excuse and still he is not Shepard's lover.  Let me stress that....Wrex was NOT shepard's lover. That changes things, Liara was not just my shepard's FRIEND, if she was then I'd be miffed perhaps but not as upset as I am with things the way they are.

 Tali says "not now, I'll come with you as soon as I am done" big difference from "yeah....... no this might take years so you are out of luck" and ultimately she STILL comes with you. The end result is that she STILL is your team mate and if it wasn't because Bioware forced her to be in the second wave of recruitment then she would have been with you nearly from the start. I'd not have minded if she came with us AFTER we helped her kill the shadow broker but we know she will not. 

the bottom line is that she leaves you to face what could very well be your last mission alone. Good, she can rot on Ilium with her little prince frogboy if he survives since she obviously moved on/has other priorities

Modifié par crimzontearz, 03 septembre 2010 - 05:51 .

[upsettingshorts]

So let me get this straight.

* Shepard and Liara meet.
* They explore a mutual attraction, hook up before a big mission because who knows what might happen.
* A month passes between the end of ME1 and the cutscene at the beginning of ME2.

So Shepard and Liara were in a relationship that lasted a little over a month, the former dies and two years later you expect the latter to drop everything and join your quest?

All that being said... I have convinced myself through this same argument that Shepard getting together with an ME2 LI should not be considered "cheating."  That doesn't mean it shouldn't be tracked and come up if you try to get back with Liara (or the Virmire Survivor) in ME3 - but I really don't think either half of the relationship would have any right to get too upset over the other moving on, even temporarily.

But people - real people - even given similar circumstances - would be hard pressed to forget that other relationship.  Especially if they knew each other, and I expect in ME3 they will.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 septembre 2010 - 06:04 .

[Barquiel]

translation
She doesn't worship the ground my glorious Shepard walks on...she can rot on Ilium.

Tali could accompany Veetor back to the migrant fleet and join Shep. She said NO.
She thinks the mission on Haelstrom is more important than your mission. Yeah, big difference here.

Garrus returns to the Normandy because he lost his whole team. Without Sidonis' betrayel...would he just abandon his team? I don't think so. All ME1 squadmates moved on.

Modifié par Barquiel, 03 septembre 2010 - 06:08 .