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[Jonathan Shepard]

 They all go rogue. Except for Nihlus. But he gets killed. Like the other male, Turian spectre. And then, Shepard dies. And goes "rogue" with Cerberus (depends on if your Shep is paragon or renegade). And now, this Tela Vasir... the asari from the Shadowbroker DLC... she's a spectre... who... goes... rogue. -facepalm-
And presumably, she dies as well.

Does this bother anyone else as much as it bothers me? I would've loved to have a nice, normal Spectre to work with. And in fact, she could've easily been kept on the Council's side, being there to watch over Shepard, and make sure that the Shadow Broker and Cerberus weren't about to join up or anything. So simple to make into the first "true-blue" spectre. 
I think BioWare's obsession with rogue spectres is getting out of hand. Anyone agree?
Source: http://www.gamespot....topslot;title;2
And here's a lovely poll! http://social.biowar...46/polls/10388/

Modifié par Jonathan Shepard, 04 septembre 2010 - 12:53 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

Consider it as the over-done sequence where you put an actor on a soap opera in a hospital for x number of reasons in order for a new plot to form for a few months...hense the " Rouge Spectre" is a handy-dandy tool to use when your just completely stuck.



What can I say --- Space Opera for you.

[ExtremeOne]

Oh I think she was sent their by the council to spy on Shepard and Cerberus. My Shepards have no interest in working with anyone from the council. so if i get the chance to kill her i will

[ExtremeOne]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Consider it as the over-done sequence where you put an actor on a soap opera in a hospital for x number of reasons in order for a new plot to form for a few months...hense the " Rouge Spectre" is a handy-dandy tool to use when your just completely stuck.

What can I say --- Space Opera for you.

 




i agree with that 

[ArcanistLibram]

Or the Council specifically ordered her to make sure the Shadow Broker doesn't get killed to prevent his death from upsetting the balance of power...

[Whereto]

how do we know she goes rogue...i must of missed something cause i thought she was helping shepard

[AresXX7]

It's risk they take, when making one a Spectre, giving someone that much power & authority can corrupt.

That's why they try to carefully screen all potential candidates.

Hell, even Nihlus wasn't so innocent, himself, according to Samara.

[charmingcharlie]

Whereto wrote...

how do we know she goes rogue...i must of missed something cause i thought she was helping shepard

There was a gamespot preview of the DLC which pretty much blatantly told us the apparent "motives" of this Spectre.

Spoiler (highlight the below text if you want to read it) :-

Personally I have always wondered if the Council had a hand in the Shadow Broker's power. Now that we know the Spectre is working "for" the Shadow Broker I think it could be a case of the Spectre acting under orders from the council and not "going rogue"

End Spoiler

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 04 septembre 2010 - 12:05 .

[AresXX7]

Whereto wrote...

how do we know she goes rogue...i must of missed something cause i thought she was helping shepard

If you really want to know, follow this Link  (read the paragraph above the flying car scene)
it doesn't outright say it, but it does imply it.



Edit: posted wrong link

Modifié par AriesXX7, 03 septembre 2010 - 11:57 .

[A.N.A.N]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Or the Council specifically ordered her to make sure the Shadow Broker doesn't get killed to prevent his death from upsetting the balance of power...

^ This

the Gamespot preview implies that Vasir is working against Liara and Shepard, but in no way does this imply that she has 'gone rogue'. Spectres are given wide ranging powers includin choosing their own missions, they don't have to wait for intsrucions from the Council. If Vasir thinks that the Shadow Broker is necessary to galactic peace, then protecting him makes sense.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I guess I'm speaking on my own behalf but wow --- isn't this like opening the present before Christmas and then pretending to be surprised?



Some of these places ought to shut their traps until say a week after release!

[Jonathan Shepard]

Perhaps she IS working with the council in order to preserve the balance of power, but I get the feeling that's not going to be the way it turns out. Still, if they DO make it so it was the council impeding you, that would be a very welcome twist.

[crimzontearz]

yeah.....it's getting trite

[Inthatplace]

I don't see how helping the shadow broker means she has gone rogue.

[foolish replica]

aaand the purpose of spectres is to...what now?; go completely bat sh*t with power and drag that tired old "judge jury and executioner" tripe out? come on, bioware you guys can do better than that. the "council actively opposing you"
theory is the one i hope is true, atleast it sounds interesting.

Modifié par foolish replica, 05 septembre 2010 - 12:49 .

[ExtremeOne]

foolish replica wrote...

aaand the purpose of spectres is to...what now?; go completely bat sh*t with power and drag that tired old "judge jury and executioner" tripe out? come on, bioware you guys can do better than that. the "council actively opposing you"
theory is the one i hope is true, atleast it sounds interesting.

   



i agree its a stupid story to redo 

[AresXX7]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Or the Council specifically ordered her to make sure the Shadow Broker doesn't get killed to prevent his death from upsetting the balance of power...

It could also be to insure Cerberus doesn't get a hold of SB's info.

Or it could be the stepping stone, to the Council beginning to take action, based on the word of another Spectre.
One who just happens to be of the same race as one of them (Asari) and has been doing it longer than Shep.

Actually, I wouldn't mind this leading to a potential squadmate/ally in ME3.
If the ending is to be as epic, as Bioware claims, and the battle(s) bigger & better, who wouldn't want a resource of that calibur at their side?

[Jonathan Shepard]

Well, now that most of us have played Lair, I assume you all realize she was doing this for her own sake, and possibly the Shadow Broker's. Vassir is in fact, ANOTHER rogue spectre. Pity, but... at least she wasn't 100% evil, and her dying words were absolutely stunning.

[sanadawarrior]

I didn't think she went rogue at all, I felt she was telling the truth in that she was still loyal to the council, however her methods simply got too extreme.

[Kavadas]

TBH I consider the previous SB to be morally superior to TIM and Cerberus.

Technically this makes Vasir more righteous than Shepard.

[Chuvvy]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Or the Council specifically ordered her to make sure the Shadow Broker doesn't get killed to prevent his death from upsetting the balance of power...

So the Council is actively promoting the infighting of Specters? What could possibly go wrong?

[sanadawarrior]

Slidell505 wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Or the Council specifically ordered her to make sure the Shadow Broker doesn't get killed to prevent his death from upsetting the balance of power...

So the Council is actively promoting the infighting of Specters? What could possibly go wrong?

Well that doesn't seem to be the case any longer, that post was speculation before the DLC came out. However even if this had been true, she could have recieved such an assignment before Shepard was even a spectre, no timeline was given on how long she was working with him.

[Dean_the_Young]

How is she rogue? Spectres are allowed to go about their business as they see fit, and trading favors with criminal elements is small scale. The only reason there's an issue at all is because Shepard involved himself.

[philiposophy]

Vasir did not go rogue nor was she working under orders from the Council.



The Council do not usually give Spectres specific orders; they typically just leave them to protect the galaxy in whatever way they decide best. Vasir had come to the conclusion that the galaxy would be a better place with the Shadow Broker than without. Shepard came to the opposite conclusion.



Had Vasir escaped and Shepard filed a mission report, she might have been declared rogue. That's one of the things Shepard yells at her before the fight anyway.

[Zaisha_temp]

As far as I can tell, she was just doing her job: The Shadow Broker regularly gives her (and the council, and other spectres probably) intel vital to securing galactic peace. She was just protecting what she considered vital intelligence assets. The fact that she was quite comfortable sacrificing innocents to do it makes her (as mentioned above) a Renegade, not a renegade. "The end justifies the means" being the Renegade's creed and all.



If it had just been a Cerberus Network update saying: "Spectre agent Tela Vasir eliminated a major threat to vital intelligence contacts, collateral damage was high." nobody would considered her to be going rogue. It's just that threat she was targetting was US that makes it stand out.