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[Multifarious Algorithm]

No one gives credit to all the Spectres who don't rogue, or all the time the ones who do go rogue spent not going rogue.



Saren had many years of service where he didn't try to wipe out all organic life in the galaxy.

[nelly21]

Guys, she wasn't rogue. She used the info the SB gave her to complete her missions. The missions she ran for the Council. As for her methods being extreme, I don't believe they were for a Spectre. Maybe I'm alone in this but I never thought the paragon route fit with the Spectres. Why would somebody who believes in procedure and accountability join a group that was created to ignore procedure and accountability.



Vasir wasn't rogue. For the Spectres I think she was pretty much par for the course.

[Lisa_H]

No, she wasn't rogue. She was protecting her informant that helped her do her job. Spectres to what they think is needed to protect the galaxy. My Shepard sold data to the Shadow Broker about Cerberus in ME1 in the hopes that she would be able to get information from him in the future. Working with Shadow Broker is not against their rules(they hardly have any rules) But Vasir probably should have asked Shepard a bit more about why she wanted to go after the Shadow Broker. Had she known about the Shadow broker working with the Collectors she might have changed her mind.

But I loved her and Shepard's conversation before she died.



It would have been interesting though had both Vasir and Shepard had survived their encounter. What would they council had done when they heard about two of their Spectres(assuming you accepted reinstatment) fighting each other in public.

[lovgreno]

Yeah it's a bit clich'e but overall Vasir was quite cool and a very fun bossfight. She was sercving her people and the council in her own way. If things had been a bit different she would just as well have been a ally instead of a enemy.

[flem1]

Not rogue, as many folks have said. She was just doing a side-job for her ally. That the side job involved killing another Spectre's friend... oops.

The question is, how are you supposed to explain to the Council about killing her?

Modifié par flem1, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[nelly21]

flem1 wrote...

The question is, how are you supposed to explain to the Council about killing her?

You wouldn't have to. I doubt the Council wants the public in the Terminus Systems to find out a Spectre killed a bunch of civilians outside of Citadel space. They'd sweep the whole thing under the rug.

[Yeti13]

there are just under 50 specters out there. so far you have met 3, the rest i'm sure are fine people

[ObserverStatus]

What I found disturbing was how Shepard and Vasir both indepenedently decided to kill each other. When Spectres are in a disagreement, wouldn't it be better to take it to the Council?

[ki11joy ace]

yes, im sure if shepard asked Tela, they would have kindly gone to the council for them to wait 7 months to decide which spctre was right and which was wrong. end of boss fight.



p.s. when i 1st saw Tela, and saw the dashboard ad saying "recruit the elite" i jumped at the chance to get spectre in my squad. was disapointed she died. could have been a future character. of course she just fainted, not like shepard shepard blew her head off before she died. maybe she'll be back.

[TomY90]

To be honest she didnt go rogue but she did kill innocents in return for information which is too far.

In my opinion it might be hinting at ME3 will have authorities checking what spectures do because of what happened with saren and shepherd being so public.



However it did make for a good fight scene in ME2 she was harder in my opinion to kill than the final boss in ME2 the human reaper but that is probably just me

[dreman9999]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

 They all go rogue. Except for Nihlus. But he gets killed. Like the other male, Turian spectre.

......Other Turian Spectre.....You spead and entire game hunting him down, lose a guy because of him, and watch him kill himself to forget his name?

.....It's Seran.....SERAN.....One of the most important villians of this series.

[Kroepoek]

dreman9999 wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

 They all go rogue. Except for Nihlus. But he gets killed. Like the other male, Turian spectre.

......Other Turian Spectre.....You spead and entire game hunting him down, lose a guy because of him, and watch him kill himself to forget his name?

.....It's Seran.....SERAN.....One of the most important villians of this series.

Saren, actually

[VenorikVelv]

But was that really going rogue for the asari spectre? It seemed like she was well within her license to help the shadow broker - she said herself that his intel helped her save people many times before, and that her betrayal of you and liara was a "favor".

[GnusmasTHX]

She didn't go rogue, she was still working within the interests of the Council, and within her authority.

The only reason Shepard hasn't blown a bunch of people up with a bomb to kill one person is because BioWare never gave us an opportunity to do it as a Renegade.

dreman9999 wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

 They all go rogue. Except for Nihlus. But he gets killed. Like the other male, Turian spectre. 

......Other Turian Spectre.....You spead and entire game hunting him down, lose a guy because of him, and watch him kill himself to forget his name?

.....It's Seran.....SERAN.....One of the most important villians of this series.

You mean Saren?

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 11 septembre 2010 - 11:50 .

[Nyaore]

VenorikVelv wrote...

But was that really going rogue for the asari spectre? It seemed like she was well within her license to help the shadow broker - she said herself that his intel helped her save people many times before, and that her betrayal of you and liara was a "favor".

One could argue that her bombing of that building to get to Liara was something that the council definitely wouldn't have agreed with. However I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all the Council really did to punish her for it, had she survived the incident, would have been to go 'bad spectre, no more biscuits for you' and left it at that. Essentially little more than a formal slap on the wrist.

Modifié par Nyaore, 11 septembre 2010 - 11:53 .

[The Big Nothing]

"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

~ John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 11 septembre 2010 - 11:56 .

[Yakko77]

Inthatplace wrote...

I don't see how helping the shadow broker means she has gone rogue.

It's not so much the act of helping the SB as the SB has provided lots of great intel for the Spectres which in turn has saved lives.  It's just that the SB recently started working for the Collectors (who in turn are puppets for the Reapers) and it seems the tactics too many Spectres use very much cross the line.  Blowing up a building to get one person?  Really?  WTF?  As if most if not all Spectres aren't master fighters and tacticians that they couldn't ambush or otherwise go toe-to-toe with whoever they're going after? 

Even Samara tells a story to Shep about her going after Nihlus.

I've always wanted to take down Cerberus in this game series but unless I start seeing some ethical Spectres then the Spectre program is going to be a want for my hitlist and I hope BW accomodates taht in ME3 or future DLC.

Modifié par Yakko77, 12 septembre 2010 - 12:01 .

[Daerog]

flem1 wrote...

The question is, how are you supposed to explain to the Council about killing her?

If they don't ask, why tell?

Could also just make up some story like Saren always did, or just say you were doing your Spectre duty and leave it at that. If they really care about the info, they can hire the salarians to investigate, and if they wish to do something about it they can wait until after Shepard is done. They may wag their fingers at Shepard, but does anyone seriously think they will waste resources on it? They removed Saren's Spectre status when they realized he was behind the Eden Prime attack, not because he was suspected of killing Nihlus.

Shepard doesn't even need to be a Spectre anymore.

Edit: They didn't believe that he killed Nihlus, but when Tali offered the evidence on who led the attack, they must have realized "Oh, he probably killed Nihlus, too" but they didn't mention that. Didn't seem like they cared so much about one Spectre's death, as long as his missions and reports were given to another Spectre.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 12 septembre 2010 - 12:03 .

[GnusmasTHX]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

flem1 wrote...

The question is, how are you supposed to explain to the Council about killing her?

.

Lol, it's not like they can do anything about it.... Unless they had like a dozen reserve Spectre's as Councillor elite guards.

I'd think twice about questioning the man who's killed two Spectre's already, unless I had like 12 more backing me up.

[Nightwriter]

I kind of got the impression they might be doing this to keep portraying the Spectres as very ambiguous and morally diverse people. Also, galactic politics is a shady game, and I think they want to impart you with that sense of realism.

Still, now that we've established the Spectres' ambiguity, I'd like to see some good Spectres for the sake of diversity.

[Yakko77]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

...Not rogue, just doing her job as she sees fit. Just like we worked with Cerberus as we saw fit. Is that something that got lost on some people?

*Looks back over the thread*

Damn, apparently so.

It just depends on how you go about working with Cerberus.  My paragon Sheps work hard to put an end to and/or otherwise correct the attrocities of Cerberus while using their resources and then promptly telling them what to go do withselves at the end of the SM.  TIM  may have given me a list of names, pointed me in the right direction a couple times and the Normandy SR2 and its crew might've had Cerberus logos but overall my mission is to stop the Reapers, not advance Cerberus and to do so in as moral and ethical manner as possible.  Spectre tactics (or at least the tactics of the 2 or 3 we've heard anything about)  too often mimic the attrocities that my paragon Shep works so hard to fix and/or prevent (against, even Samara went after Nihlus according to a stroy she tells)..

My Renegade Shep... well, he kinda goes along with Cerberus for the most part but even he blew up the Collector base.

[AdamNW]

Kavadas wrote...

TBH I consider the previous SB to be morally superior to TIM and Cerberus.
Technically this makes Vasir more righteous than Shepard.

wut

Shepard left the command of Cerberus before TIM forced him to do something extremely wrong.  Not to mention Shepard didn't really have a choice in joining him or not.