As for Tela not knowing why Liara was chasing down the SB, I don't think it matters. The Council doesn't care about the Collector's and human colonies anyway, as far as Tela would be concerned, defending the SB which allows her to defend the Council would be more important.
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#127
Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 09:25
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Vasir did her job plain and simple
SB provided valuable information to Spectres or to the Council and her role was to protect this source by all means so thy can continue to use it and save lives
Terminus is outside Council jurisdiction,
We even know SB was aware of the Reapers and was helping Shep with the info to stop them
The only problem was, that by trying to assassinate Liara , Shep, got involved and Vasir didnt back down or questioned his motives (SB involvement with the Collectors)
Many of you are ignoring one fact: Spectres where present even before humanity got to the galactic stage, for them means serve the goal policy worked fro centuries. Hence the attitude of their operatives, i would think paragon Shep, would be an anomaly here
All in all Vasir was a great character, not black and white like Seren (ok collaborating with the enemy to save some lives), and it served mostly to show how faulty the Spectre organisation is, without any kind of restrictions, as already stated by the CSec guy in Me1
With all the focus on SB, that proved to be well nothing special, Vasir was a big surprise story wise, more deep that any other boss in the game
But i would like to work with a fellow Spectre without klling him in the process, hell i would prolly need to kill Nihlus if he stayed alive on Eden Prime
SB provided valuable information to Spectres or to the Council and her role was to protect this source by all means so thy can continue to use it and save lives
Terminus is outside Council jurisdiction,
We even know SB was aware of the Reapers and was helping Shep with the info to stop them
The only problem was, that by trying to assassinate Liara , Shep, got involved and Vasir didnt back down or questioned his motives (SB involvement with the Collectors)
Many of you are ignoring one fact: Spectres where present even before humanity got to the galactic stage, for them means serve the goal policy worked fro centuries. Hence the attitude of their operatives, i would think paragon Shep, would be an anomaly here
All in all Vasir was a great character, not black and white like Seren (ok collaborating with the enemy to save some lives), and it served mostly to show how faulty the Spectre organisation is, without any kind of restrictions, as already stated by the CSec guy in Me1
With all the focus on SB, that proved to be well nothing special, Vasir was a big surprise story wise, more deep that any other boss in the game
But i would like to work with a fellow Spectre without klling him in the process, hell i would prolly need to kill Nihlus if he stayed alive on Eden Prime
#128
Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 10:32
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Saren just screwed up and got indoctrinated, but he always had the council and galaxy's best interests at heart. He eventually even killed himself just to grant Shepard a mere chance at saving the galaxy. Tela Vasir never went rogue, she just did what she had to do with the information she had available. Working with the Shadow Broker gave her and the council intel and influence others could only dream of. And Shepard never really went rogue. Whether the council even died as a result of Shepard's actions remains a matter of how you played the story, and regardless she still serves the interests of the galaxy.
The Spectres are supposed to be mostly independent, working above and outside of law, doing whatever needs to be done to secure the council and the galaxy. Unrestricted by bureucracy, rules, and morals or ethics to do the necessary deeds that no civilized organization could officially admit to, but is still forced to deal with one way or another.
How can you tell? Have you ever seen the council communicate with any of the other Spectres? This is kinda like being in a flaming forum debate and getting a private msg from a mod telling you to pipe down, and then getting all excited over how you're getting singled out there. When in reality it's quite likely all the other parties got their own share of warnings just as well.
The council needs to keep the Spectres in check, they need to remind them of the situation, and give them perspective where needed. I'm pretty damn sure most if not all of the other Spectres regularly get told by the council just as much as Shepard does. They need to keep their hands clean, after all, and they would assume that the Spectres know better than to get all personally insulted over a little constructive criticism and feedback. They are willing to reinstate Shepard afterall, which considering the extreme status and privilige a Spectre has - how difficult it is for ANYONE to get that position - is hardly a mere compliment. That in itself tells us that the council fully recognizes Shepards' abilities and value, trusting her to do her job, despite the lack of evidence to her fantastic Reaper stories and joining up with Cerberus.
The Spectres are supposed to be mostly independent, working above and outside of law, doing whatever needs to be done to secure the council and the galaxy. Unrestricted by bureucracy, rules, and morals or ethics to do the necessary deeds that no civilized organization could officially admit to, but is still forced to deal with one way or another.
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... The council is just a bunch of ignorant
hypocrites for condemning shepherd working with Cerberus.
How can you tell? Have you ever seen the council communicate with any of the other Spectres? This is kinda like being in a flaming forum debate and getting a private msg from a mod telling you to pipe down, and then getting all excited over how you're getting singled out there. When in reality it's quite likely all the other parties got their own share of warnings just as well.
The council needs to keep the Spectres in check, they need to remind them of the situation, and give them perspective where needed. I'm pretty damn sure most if not all of the other Spectres regularly get told by the council just as much as Shepard does. They need to keep their hands clean, after all, and they would assume that the Spectres know better than to get all personally insulted over a little constructive criticism and feedback. They are willing to reinstate Shepard afterall, which considering the extreme status and privilige a Spectre has - how difficult it is for ANYONE to get that position - is hardly a mere compliment. That in itself tells us that the council fully recognizes Shepards' abilities and value, trusting her to do her job, despite the lack of evidence to her fantastic Reaper stories and joining up with Cerberus.
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#129
Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 12:38
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She wasn't working for the council, this was a mission that was given to her by the SB. She didn't do it for the council. So she didn't go rogue but she aint doing official council business either. The fact is that she killed many people to protect a very shadowy figure who used crime lords as his contacts. Don't think the council liked the SB either, he most likely had dirt on all of them and was leveraging them to a degree.
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Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 12:53
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Her final words where very true, sadly. SPECTRE's have no oversight and are allowed to use "any" means required to accomplish goals.
Having the Shadow Broker provide you info is a very useful source.
As was mentioned above; Vasir was simply trying to assassinate a powerful information broker. Sure, she is a definate renegade, but again SPECTRE's have no 'rules' besides the obvious (don't build a Geth army and use it to attack Council Colonies / Work for enemies of the state) and as such everything she did was within the bounds of what is 'allowed'.
The SB is a valuable resource, and she was liekly as mentioned above going to recieve some useful intel for getting rid of Liara. We may like Liara, but by this point she is a powerful info broker who threatens to flay people alive and has 'means' to make people pay up. She's technicaly a 'bad guy'. As such a SPECTRE would have no quelms about stepping in and doing some wetwork.
As mentioned about... its Shepard who could be said to have gone rogue.
Shepard isn't doing any SPECTRE work at all really in the whole game, since he's trying to stop the Collector's and the Reaper's, the former of which the council doesn't see the big deal of, and the latter they flat out don't believe if their official stance can be trusted.
That, and he chases down and kills a fellow SPECTRE to defend the interests of a personal friend, who just so happens to be a criminal.
Having the Shadow Broker provide you info is a very useful source.
As was mentioned above; Vasir was simply trying to assassinate a powerful information broker. Sure, she is a definate renegade, but again SPECTRE's have no 'rules' besides the obvious (don't build a Geth army and use it to attack Council Colonies / Work for enemies of the state) and as such everything she did was within the bounds of what is 'allowed'.
The SB is a valuable resource, and she was liekly as mentioned above going to recieve some useful intel for getting rid of Liara. We may like Liara, but by this point she is a powerful info broker who threatens to flay people alive and has 'means' to make people pay up. She's technicaly a 'bad guy'. As such a SPECTRE would have no quelms about stepping in and doing some wetwork.
As mentioned about... its Shepard who could be said to have gone rogue.
Shepard isn't doing any SPECTRE work at all really in the whole game, since he's trying to stop the Collector's and the Reaper's, the former of which the council doesn't see the big deal of, and the latter they flat out don't believe if their official stance can be trusted.
That, and he chases down and kills a fellow SPECTRE to defend the interests of a personal friend, who just so happens to be a criminal.
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Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 12:54
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Breakdown Boy wrote...
She wasn't working for the council, this was a mission that was given to her by the SB. She didn't do it for the council. So she didn't go rogue but she aint doing official council business either. The fact is that she killed many people to protect a very shadowy figure who used crime lords as his contacts. Don't think the council liked the SB either, he most likely had dirt on all of them and was leveraging them to a degree.
Of course she was working for the council, SB was merely a means to an end. Saying she was working for SB over the council is no different from saying Shepard was working for the Blue Suns over herself, Cerberus, or the benefit of the galaxy during the Arch Angel mission. Very little of what the Spectres do, as we understand it, is actually official council business. Much of it is in the gray area. And whether or not the council much liked the SB is really not an issue, the fact remains that SB has the best information network in the galaxy. There are numerous reasons for why having a Spectre be a part of that is more beneficial to the council than having no part in it at all, or even destroying that information network and have some other unknown and out-of-reach organization rise up to replace it.
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Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 03:18
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Shadow Broker does have the intel, but one or two points I feel need clarifying.
Assuming what Barla Von tells Shepard in ME1 is accurate (also assuming you went to Barla Von), you learn that while the Shadow Broker gains a lot financially it's the clients who use the intel he had. Intel is a commodity.
Secondly, not all of the Shadow Broker's dealings or info gathering were from criminals. People in positions of power could trade that info, e.g., Admiral Kahoku.
Thirdly, (I think it's worth repeating from an earlier post) I do not think we have information regarding the Council's stance on the Shadow Broker, i.e., whether he is a declared enemy of the Council like Cerberus are. If the Shadow Broker is a declared enemy, then working for him could be considered going rogue. However, that Shepard is working for/with Cerberus in ME2 makes his position far more likely to be interpreted as going rogue. (This point depends on how you play your game: at the very least you grudgingly work with Cerberus for the sake of human colonies vanishing; at the worst you actually condone Cerberus methods and goals.) At the beginning of ME2, Shepard is no longer a Spectre but can be reinstated. (As I understand it, if Udina is the Councillor you don't get reinstatement, at which point Shepard could be regarded as a mercenary. That particular path is certainly unclear.)
Now, although Saren was declared a rogue (dragging a different aspect out) it could argued that even he had the best interests of the galaxy at heart. I think the meeting on Virmire points towards his thinking, and as the game continues it proves that Saren was right. No-one would believe him about the Reapers; something that Shepard only knows too well in ME2. Had Saren gone to the Council with the knowledge of the Reapers as Shepard had, even he would have been dismissed as delusional. If not, then the Council are clearly just biased.
As for whether they are doing any Spectre work...well...I guess it depends on what is considered to be official Council business. Vasir was obviously protecting a very valuable resource for her in her work for the Council as a Spectre; and she obviously (at least I think it's obvious) thinks that that resource will continue to help her in her future missions.
The point brought up about the Spectre work is interesting, because one can deliberately twist that meaning. I'll show you what I mean. Spectre is given a mission. They complete it, do the paperwork (don't think Garrus was aware of that) and probably get some downtime. What they do in their downtime when they're not on a Council errand is when it gets murky. The mission has certain parameters, and that could be deemed 'official'. Outside of it, it could be deemed 'unofficial'. So if a Spectre goes on a shopping trip during a mission, and it's not for supplies necessary for said mission, would that be deemed official or not? (Just to clarify, I'm not saying that this is right, just that it can be seen in this light.)
Enough waffle from me.
EDIT: bugger it. May as well add this last bit in. What we may need to clarify is what precisely each of us mean by 'going rogue'. For me, a Spectre 'going Rogue' means that the Spectre in question is deemed actively working against the Council. Hence, Shepard is considered rogue by those standards, as the Council seems to imply (if saved from ME1), but Vasir isn't (she was moonlighting as it were).
Right, that's enough from me.
Assuming what Barla Von tells Shepard in ME1 is accurate (also assuming you went to Barla Von), you learn that while the Shadow Broker gains a lot financially it's the clients who use the intel he had. Intel is a commodity.
Secondly, not all of the Shadow Broker's dealings or info gathering were from criminals. People in positions of power could trade that info, e.g., Admiral Kahoku.
Thirdly, (I think it's worth repeating from an earlier post) I do not think we have information regarding the Council's stance on the Shadow Broker, i.e., whether he is a declared enemy of the Council like Cerberus are. If the Shadow Broker is a declared enemy, then working for him could be considered going rogue. However, that Shepard is working for/with Cerberus in ME2 makes his position far more likely to be interpreted as going rogue. (This point depends on how you play your game: at the very least you grudgingly work with Cerberus for the sake of human colonies vanishing; at the worst you actually condone Cerberus methods and goals.) At the beginning of ME2, Shepard is no longer a Spectre but can be reinstated. (As I understand it, if Udina is the Councillor you don't get reinstatement, at which point Shepard could be regarded as a mercenary. That particular path is certainly unclear.)
Now, although Saren was declared a rogue (dragging a different aspect out) it could argued that even he had the best interests of the galaxy at heart. I think the meeting on Virmire points towards his thinking, and as the game continues it proves that Saren was right. No-one would believe him about the Reapers; something that Shepard only knows too well in ME2. Had Saren gone to the Council with the knowledge of the Reapers as Shepard had, even he would have been dismissed as delusional. If not, then the Council are clearly just biased.
As for whether they are doing any Spectre work...well...I guess it depends on what is considered to be official Council business. Vasir was obviously protecting a very valuable resource for her in her work for the Council as a Spectre; and she obviously (at least I think it's obvious) thinks that that resource will continue to help her in her future missions.
The point brought up about the Spectre work is interesting, because one can deliberately twist that meaning. I'll show you what I mean. Spectre is given a mission. They complete it, do the paperwork (don't think Garrus was aware of that) and probably get some downtime. What they do in their downtime when they're not on a Council errand is when it gets murky. The mission has certain parameters, and that could be deemed 'official'. Outside of it, it could be deemed 'unofficial'. So if a Spectre goes on a shopping trip during a mission, and it's not for supplies necessary for said mission, would that be deemed official or not? (Just to clarify, I'm not saying that this is right, just that it can be seen in this light.)
Enough waffle from me.
EDIT: bugger it. May as well add this last bit in. What we may need to clarify is what precisely each of us mean by 'going rogue'. For me, a Spectre 'going Rogue' means that the Spectre in question is deemed actively working against the Council. Hence, Shepard is considered rogue by those standards, as the Council seems to imply (if saved from ME1), but Vasir isn't (she was moonlighting as it were).
Right, that's enough from me.
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#133
Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 03:50
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I woulda liked the ability to spare her.
#134
Posté 14 septembre 2010 - 05:30
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As much of a bastard as he may be, Saren is a direct analogue to count Dooku from the Starwars prequels, isn't he? The Jedi council wouldn't listen to Dooku's warnings about the sith, so he went out on an infiltration mission of his own, only to succumb to the lure of the dark side.
We got to reach Saren's suppressed own thoughts, in the end, allowing him to wrest just enough control to turn his gun on himself, whereas Dooku managed a somewhat corrupted plea on his own, with an Obi Wan too thick to take the opportunity.
We got to reach Saren's suppressed own thoughts, in the end, allowing him to wrest just enough control to turn his gun on himself, whereas Dooku managed a somewhat corrupted plea on his own, with an Obi Wan too thick to take the opportunity.
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Posté 15 septembre 2010 - 02:01
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jojon2se wrote...
As much of a bastard as he may be, Saren is a direct analogue to count Dooku from the Starwars prequels, isn't he? The Jedi council wouldn't listen to Dooku's warnings about the sith, so he went out on an infiltration mission of his own, only to succumb to the lure of the dark side.
We got to reach Saren's suppressed own thoughts, in the end, allowing him to wrest just enough control to turn his gun on himself, whereas Dooku managed a somewhat corrupted plea on his own, with an Obi Wan too thick to take the opportunity.
Only thing differentiating Saren and Dooku is Saren is a genocidal jack-ass who wanted Turian supremacy over humanity..
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#136
Posté 15 septembre 2010 - 10:22
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Even if Shepard's Specter status is not returned in ME2, the Council still doesn't do anything to stop him. Heck, the first thing I did after talking to them on my last play through was shoot up the warehouses on Zakera ward and nobody stopped me.
Whether Shepard is reinstated or not, that whole conversation seems like a very politic way of saying "We want to get involved but don't want to be seen as getting involved so you go do what you do with your terrorist friends while we turn around and cover our ears. Lalalaamnotlisteninglalala."
Also, is Cerberus really such a big threat to the Council? Apart from a few acts of theft, piracy and assassination, they've never tried to seriously destabilize the Council or take over the Alliance. They're no more a threat than the Salarians (unleashed the Rachni and Krogans, and have continued to undermine the defeated Krogan ever since) or the Turians (unprovoked attack on humans during the First Contact War). So partnering with Cerberus may be seen as no worse than working with the Shadowbroker.
Whether Shepard is reinstated or not, that whole conversation seems like a very politic way of saying "We want to get involved but don't want to be seen as getting involved so you go do what you do with your terrorist friends while we turn around and cover our ears. Lalalaamnotlisteninglalala."
Also, is Cerberus really such a big threat to the Council? Apart from a few acts of theft, piracy and assassination, they've never tried to seriously destabilize the Council or take over the Alliance. They're no more a threat than the Salarians (unleashed the Rachni and Krogans, and have continued to undermine the defeated Krogan ever since) or the Turians (unprovoked attack on humans during the First Contact War). So partnering with Cerberus may be seen as no worse than working with the Shadowbroker.
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Posté 15 septembre 2010 - 10:49
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If you read the misson report after the misson was completed, Cerberus payed off C-Sec to not get Shepard in trouble.Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...
Even if Shepard's Specter status is not returned in ME2, the Council still doesn't do anything to stop him. Heck, the first thing I did after talking to them on my last play through was shoot up the warehouses on Zakera ward and nobody stopped me.
Whether Shepard is reinstated or not, that whole conversation seems like a very politic way of saying "We want to get involved but don't want to be seen as getting involved so you go do what you do with your terrorist friends while we turn around and cover our ears. Lalalaamnotlisteninglalala."
Also, is Cerberus really such a big threat to the Council? Apart from a few acts of theft, piracy and assassination, they've never tried to seriously destabilize the Council or take over the Alliance. They're no more a threat than the Salarians (unleashed the Rachni and Krogans, and have continued to undermine the defeated Krogan ever since) or the Turians (unprovoked attack on humans during the First Contact War). So partnering with Cerberus may be seen as no worse than working with the Shadowbroker.
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Posté 15 septembre 2010 - 11:13
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First there are a lot more than 3 spectres in the galaxy, second I think it would be very easy to lose control given the seemingly limitless restrictions Spectres are given
#139
Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 07:33
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Your second point is pretty much the issue at stake.
Spectres are, pretty much by definition, far above the ordinary abilities of a normal operative ("above the rank and file" said by a certain Turian Councillor at Shepard's induction if memory serves). When a Spectre does 'go rogue' (seeing no-one has answered my call for clarification on the understanding of that phrase) another Spectre is sent after them. Recall what happens with Saren in ME1, and what Jenkins said aboard the Normandy which Dr. Chakwas put down to reading too many novels.
Spectres are, pretty much by definition, far above the ordinary abilities of a normal operative ("above the rank and file" said by a certain Turian Councillor at Shepard's induction if memory serves). When a Spectre does 'go rogue' (seeing no-one has answered my call for clarification on the understanding of that phrase) another Spectre is sent after them. Recall what happens with Saren in ME1, and what Jenkins said aboard the Normandy which Dr. Chakwas put down to reading too many novels.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 10:38
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Well, the thing is
next time, spectres are going to fight each other because they are dealing with different information brokers. Thanks to the official information investigators to be so incompetent.
next time, spectres are going to fight each other because they are dealing with different information brokers. Thanks to the official information investigators to be so incompetent.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 04:37
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I wonder with the death of Tela Vasir at the hands of Shepard the council will view this as a traitorous act and declare Shepard as a rogue agent. Shepard will have to lie somewhat to council to defend his actions against another spectre. Since Vasir was operating to protect the SB the council may not have known she was working for the SB and was ordered to take out Liara. Now that Liara has replaced and has assumed the identity of the SB, Shepard cannot explain his actions honesty without betraying Liara's new identity and thereby endangering Liara. I guess Shepard could make a case that he was protecting Liara from Tela but he would have to explain why Vasir was hunting Liara to begin with. Sets up a possible conflict with the council as the start of ME3. At least that is how I see it.
I was sort of disappointed we had to battle Tela. I was really looking forward to working with another fellow spectre and perhaps recruiting her against the SB. I had vision of Shepard, Liara and Tela storming the SB's lair. Instead the story has Tela decieving Shepard forcing the player to kill her. She did offered the best fight in the game at least for me. She was much harder to take down then the SB.
I was sort of disappointed we had to battle Tela. I was really looking forward to working with another fellow spectre and perhaps recruiting her against the SB. I had vision of Shepard, Liara and Tela storming the SB's lair. Instead the story has Tela decieving Shepard forcing the player to kill her. She did offered the best fight in the game at least for me. She was much harder to take down then the SB.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 05:44
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the nature of spectre work implies being "rogue". If you want to be a true paragon, you will work under the law (like a C-Sec), not above the law like a spectre.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 06:34
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IMO none of them have gone rouge. In tela's case the SB asked her to deal with liara. She did it because the broker gave her information about saving lives! If she still wanted access to the best information in the galaxy she had to deal with liara. Shepard doesnt go rouge either. Shep is doing what is necessary to stop the reapers. Even if know one believes it. And Saren is the greatest example of it. He didnt go rouge either because in his mind he was saving more lives by showing the reapers that organics were usefull. Remember the chat with him on virmire? The reapers would have killed everyone anyways but in sarens mind he was showing them we are usefull and he was trying to save lives. Just has Saren says in revalation. Its simple math but not everyone can do it. This is what it means to be a spectre.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 07:00
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No, Saren did go rogue. That's the point of the whole first 30 minutes of ME1.
It doesn't matter what he thought, he was acting against the orders of the Council. He went rogue.
Even better when you realize he was completely wrong in all aspects.
It doesn't matter what he thought, he was acting against the orders of the Council. He went rogue.
Even better when you realize he was completely wrong in all aspects.
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#145
Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 07:59
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Saren did go rogue, but bear in mind, this was because he was indoctrinated. Before that, as said above, he had the intentions of the galaxy at heart.
I think the DLC implies that Vasir never went rogue, and either protected the SB because of their alliance or because the council told her to do so.
Hopefully we will see more spectres, a salarian one would be pretty cool, while a hanar/ elcor one would be plain awesome. A spectre is mention in a news report to be exploring batarian space, so hopefully there will be a DLC which involves us entering batarian space, speaking to some friendly batarians and encountering the mentioned spectre.
I think the DLC implies that Vasir never went rogue, and either protected the SB because of their alliance or because the council told her to do so.
Hopefully we will see more spectres, a salarian one would be pretty cool, while a hanar/ elcor one would be plain awesome. A spectre is mention in a news report to be exploring batarian space, so hopefully there will be a DLC which involves us entering batarian space, speaking to some friendly batarians and encountering the mentioned spectre.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 08:16
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A.N.A.N wrote...
ArcanistLibram wrote...
Or the Council specifically ordered her to make sure the Shadow Broker doesn't get killed to prevent his death from upsetting the balance of power...
^ This
the Gamespot preview implies that Vasir is working against Liara and Shepard, but in no way does this imply that she has 'gone rogue'. Spectres are given wide ranging powers includin choosing their own missions, they don't have to wait for intsrucions from the Council. If Vasir thinks that the Shadow Broker is necessary to galactic peace, then protecting him makes sense.
Vasir didn't go rogue. If you pay attention to what she says before she dies, you can figure it out.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 08:20
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You are right. Saren officIally went rogue. To the council he was a trader. But shepard also officially went rogue in ME1 when he stole the normandy from lock down and went to Ilos. But even then the council kinda told him to. The meeting with the council on the 1st normandy the asari council member tells shepard that they believe saren is using the reapers as a cover to his betrayal but that if shepad truly believes the reapers are the main threat to deal with it the way he sees fit. I think that spectres have so much wiggle room to do anything to protect the galaxy that going "rogue" is part of it. Officially or not. But this is my opinion.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 08:26
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DeckardWasAReplicant wrote...
You are right. Saren officIally went rogue. To the council he was a trader. But shepard also officially went rogue in ME1 when he stole the normandy from lock down and went to virmire. But even then the council kinda told him to. The meeting with the council on the 1st normandy the asari council member tells shepard that they believe saren is using the reapers as a cover to his betrayal but that if shepad truly believes the reapers are the main treat to deal with it the way he sees fit. I think that spectres have so much wiggle room to do anything to protect the galaxy that going "rogue" is part of it. Officially or not. But this is my opinion.
Good point. I think that when a SpecTRe is declared "rogue" by the council, it means that the agent in question has gone far beyond what the council would consider "acceptable" behavior in order to do their job.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 09:48
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spectres are given a wide brief and free reign on how to implement it - being the first and last line of defense for the galaxy is no easy task. vasir was as renegade as shepard in some ways, but she thought she was doing what was necessary. personally i felt her dying conversation could have had many more options to explain yourself and/or more sympathise with her position.
