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[jermungand]

Despite all the character and detail Bioware lavished upon the witch, I could never really find Morrigan believable enough to be interesting, and now I know why.  They gave her a ladylike, upper class accent. What ON EARTH were the creators even THINKING?  She's a complete outsider to society, raised in a shack in the woods by a crazy witch-mom where she does her freaky wierd-sister stuff, but as soon as she opens her mouth she's some stuck up countess. <_<

[ninja0809]

wow...and here i thought Claudia Black did the best job among all the Dragon Age's Voice cast....lol

[jermungand]

I mean she sounds nasty, but more of a "I'm going to poison everyone ahead of me in line for the English throne" kind of nasty.

[OriginsIsBest]

Claudia Black was the best in Origins, well maybe Alistair's voice actor too.

Modifié par OriginsIsBest, 04 septembre 2010 - 02:09 .

[jermungand]

She may have been a great voice actress, but she totally had the wrong role.

[ninja0809]

Maybe it's just me. But i think Claudia has the most seductive voice i have ever heard, and it really fits in with Morrigan's personality.



As for the lady like tone instead of the wilder tone, yes i could agree with that. However, Flemeth does seem to speak in the same way, sometimes.

[jermungand]

Flemeth's voice completely makes sense for someone who began within society and grew a conviction to part from it.

Every time her daughter talks, it's like she's sighing exasperatedly about her household servants who still haven't brought her tea upstairs.

Anyway someone as people-hating as Morrigan shouldn't even be seductive.  Yes, she's hypersexual and that makes sense, but she shouldn't be sexy/sensual.  I mean, she can't even put up with a HANDSHAKE.  I could see Flemeth behaving that way, but she was not an outsider all her life.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 02:38 .

[wikkedjoker]

jermungand wrote...

Flemeth's voice completely makes sense for someone who began within society and grew a conviction to part from it.

Every time her daughter talks, it's like she's sighing exasperatedly about her household servants who still haven't brought her tea upstairs.

Yes and Flemeth taught her that. There is a nice little line, that goes something along the lines of Flemeth seduced men, and when Morrigan was to come of age, the same was expected of her. It makes sense than that she would carry herself like a 'noble' woman.  You’re expecting an uneducated savage, and its not the case, Morrigan was well educated by Flemeth.  Do a little more digging on a character before you draw misconceptions 

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 04 septembre 2010 - 02:34 .

[jermungand]

"[/quote]Yes and Flemeth taught her that. There is a nice little line, that goes something along the lines of Flemeth seduced men, and when Morrigan was to come of age, the same was expected of her. It makes sense than that she would carry herself like a 'noble' woman.  You’re expecting an uneducated savage, and its not the case, Morrigan was well educated by Flemeth.  Do a little more digging on a character before you draw misconceptions [/quote]"

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Try to avoid immediately cutting me down when you're making misconceptions of your own.  I know the story.
In fact, that's quite bogus too.  To believe that a kid raised in the wilds could copy the characteristics of her considerably less isolated-for-life mother just because they've been EXPLAINED to her is a load of rot.  You can't be told by your parents to simply HAVE a character that is developed through personal experience.  If you're raised in isolation, there is no way that you will be able to relate to people.  There's no way that a woman could be learn to act so seductively without having had any interpersonal experience with men.  This stuff is developed, not TOLD TO HAVE.

It's reasonable that Flemeth would manage to educate her, but no motherhood is all-pervading enough to make a kid in that environment carry herself like a 'noble' woman.  If you act like you're a countess it's because you've been treated like one.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 04:10 .

[TJPags]

Umm, children imitate their parents. MOrrigan likely picked up whatever characterisitcs of "I'm better than you" you're sensing from Flemith.



Keep in mind, also - you're judging an accent by your own values/thoughts. Not everyone finds Claudia Blacks accent - not sure if it's British or Aussie or what - to be a "nobles" accent. Just because you do, well, you do.



Just going by the few responses here, it doesn't seem like everyone shares that opinion.

[jermungand]

TJPags wrote...

Umm, children imitate their parents. MOrrigan likely picked up whatever characterisitcs of "I'm better than you" you're sensing from Flemith.

Keep in mind, also - you're judging an accent by your own values/thoughts. Not everyone finds Claudia Blacks accent - not sure if it's British or Aussie or what - to be a "nobles" accent. Just because you do, well, you do.

Just going by the few responses here, it doesn't seem like everyone shares that opinion.

Yeah, but who has she practiced this "I'm better than you" demeanor on??  Obviously not on her mother.

Anyway, noble or not, her particular brand of British accent and mannerism are definitely too refined for someone who has been living her sort of life,  and that's not just "my values/thoughts".

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 05:11 .

[TJPags]

jermungand wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Umm, children imitate their parents. MOrrigan likely picked up whatever characterisitcs of "I'm better than you" you're sensing from Flemith.

Keep in mind, also - you're judging an accent by your own values/thoughts. Not everyone finds Claudia Blacks accent - not sure if it's British or Aussie or what - to be a "nobles" accent. Just because you do, well, you do.

Just going by the few responses here, it doesn't seem like everyone shares that opinion.

Yeah, but who has she practiced this "I'm better than you" demeanor on??  Obviously not on her mother.

Anyway, noble or not, her particular brand of British accent and mannerism are definitely too refined for someone who has lived that sort of life,  and that's not just "my values/thoughts"

Why do you think she needs to practice it?  You need to practice something that doesn't come naturally.  As she was raised by Flemith, who has that attitude herself, it likely comes naturally to her - assuming it's there at all.  I'm not sure I even agree with that.

As for her accent - if it's not just your values/thoughts, then where does it come from? 

[ErichHartmann]

You're crazy, Claudia Black is perfect as Morrigan's voice.

[night0205]

Morrigan is anti-social in all regards, and has a deep mistrust and hatred for others because of that insecurity. I don't know why you would make fun of the voice actress for playing the role that has been written for her, and not only that but become the most popular character in Dragon Age.

[jermungand]

TJPags wrote...

jermungand wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Umm, children imitate their parents. MOrrigan likely picked up whatever characterisitcs of "I'm better than you" you're sensing from Flemith.

Keep in mind, also - you're judging an accent by your own values/thoughts. Not everyone finds Claudia Blacks accent - not sure if it's British or Aussie or what - to be a "nobles" accent. Just because you do, well, you do.

Just going by the few responses here, it doesn't seem like everyone shares that opinion.

Yeah, but who has she practiced this "I'm better than you" demeanor on??  Obviously not on her mother.

Anyway, noble or not, her particular brand of British accent and mannerism are definitely too refined for someone who has lived that sort of life,  and that's not just "my values/thoughts"

Why do you think she needs to practice it?  You need to practice something that doesn't come naturally.  As she was raised by Flemith, who has that attitude herself, it likely comes naturally to her - assuming it's there at all.  I'm not sure I even agree with that.

As for her accent - if it's not just your values/thoughts, then where does it come from? 

A manner of speaking to other people only comes naturally if you actually speak to other people.  She's been in near total seclusion from everyone but her mother, to whom she would never speak in that manner.  It may be hard to imagine, but if you never had real contact with other people for your entire life except one harsh domineering mother, you would not be on your feet while talking to people.

As for her accent - these values/thoughts of mine are pretty well established and understood within the English speaking world I should tell you.  They have for many generations over hundreds of years, during which time people's have had accents derivative of the societies and locations in which they lived. 

Insofar as you are completely oblivious to this, I can only suppose that you haven't been exposed to the culture of the English speaking world for very long.  Perhaps you're really young or you're not from the western world, I don't know.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 06:50 .

[jermungand]

night0205 wrote...

Morrigan is anti-social in all regards, and has a deep mistrust and hatred for others because of that insecurity. I don't know why you would make fun of the voice actress for playing the role that has been written for her, and not only that but become the most popular character in Dragon Age.

Whoa!  Hey, I'm not attacking Claudia Black.  She's magnificent, but I don't think she (or the way she was expected to behave) was the right choice in portraying someone with Morrigan's kind of background.

Easy....    I didn't mean to insult your <3special<3 Claudia!

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 06:58 .

[Lord_Anthonior]

First the voice for Morrigan complaining about her accent, what's next? her looks? her hair do? her make up? her jewelery? All I can see is that people will always complain about something, personally I think Morrgan is perfect, the nature and background created for the character, and casting Claudia Black was an excellent choice for Morrigan, she was the reason why I bought the game when I saw her trailer then I liked the entire game but she was the hook that took me to play the game.

It doesn't matter if it is in english or any other language, if you are tought how to speak and some history as Morrigan said before leaving the hut she could still be an educated woman even if she had lived in a swamp. She is obviously anti-social for the simple reason that she is a witch who has been hunted along with her mother all her life, its obvious that her philosophy is "survival of the fittest" because if it wasn't she'd be dead, and so, she had to take care of herself. Anyway, I don't think that for living in the wilds is a factor for her voice to sound as some sort of duchess or high born woman, that's just her voice and she was just educated to blend in.

I'm also I like Claudia Black for Morrigan because of how much time it took to Morrigan to "feel" or "fell in love" with the warden, I can see the same thing as with Vala Mal Doran in stargate sg1 with daniel (I believe that was his name) and Claudia Black performed that feeling very well with her voice in the game. Anyway, to each its own point of views.

Modifié par Lord_Anthonior, 04 septembre 2010 - 07:30 .

[Esbatty]

The Golden Mirror is the key to this... she sometimes wonders what that little girl with the golden mirror would've turned out like if she didn't grow up under Flemeth's thumb. She likes to become animals and watch and observe people. She is an outsider but she did study people. Morrigan has a low opinion of the Chasind people because they are barbaric, and she admired the pretty things that the noble woman, she stole the mirror from, had. So it'd make sense, since some people go out of their way to give her "shiny, pretty" gifts that deep down she wish she had grown up to be a noble woman. Thus the voice. The End.

[jermungand]

I'm sorry Lord Anthonior, but could you maybe revise that middle paragraph and try to divide it into sentences with periods? I would really like to hear your opinion but I can't understand what you've written.

[Lord_Anthonior]

jermungand wrote...

I'm sorry Lord Anthonior, but could you maybe revise that middle paragraph and try to divide it into sentences with periods? I would really like to hear your opinion but I can't understand what you've written.

Lol , sorry for that, I was on a rant and it clearly showed that English is not my first language, sometimes it could be difficult to say all what one is thinking while translating from one language to another.

As for the nature of the this thread, maybe you could mention who would you have chosen to cast for Morrigan's voice? and why?

[jermungand]

Esbatty wrote...

The Golden Mirror is the key to this... she sometimes wonders what that little girl with the golden mirror would've turned out like if she didn't grow up under Flemeth's thumb. She likes to become animals and watch and observe people. She is an outsider but she did study people. Morrigan has a low opinion of the Chasind people because they are barbaric, and she admired the pretty things that the noble woman, she stole the mirror from, had. So it'd make sense, since some people go out of their way to give her "shiny, pretty" gifts that deep down she wish she had grown up to be a noble woman. Thus the voice. The End.

Not enough.

[Esbatty]

jermungand wrote...

Esbatty wrote...

The Golden Mirror is the key to this... she sometimes wonders what that little girl with the golden mirror would've turned out like if she didn't grow up under Flemeth's thumb. She likes to become animals and watch and observe people. She is an outsider but she did study people. Morrigan has a low opinion of the Chasind people because they are barbaric, and she admired the pretty things that the noble woman, she stole the mirror from, had. So it'd make sense, since some people go out of their way to give her "shiny, pretty" gifts that deep down she wish she had grown up to be a noble woman. Thus the voice. The End.

Not enough.

Then you sir, shall never be pleased. For I have said "The End" and will leave it as such. And thus I say to you, 'Good Day, Sir.'

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I SAID GOOD DAY!

[night0205]

jermungand wrote...

night0205 wrote...

Morrigan is anti-social in all regards, and has a deep mistrust and hatred for others because of that insecurity. I don't know why you would make fun of the voice actress for playing the role that has been written for her, and not only that but become the most popular character in Dragon Age.

Whoa!  Hey, I'm not attacking Claudia Black.  She's magnificent, but I don't think she (or the way she was expected to behave) was the right choice in portraying someone with Morrigan's kind of background.

Easy....    I didn't mean to insult your <3special<3 Claudia!

Must of got the wrong idea from a thread that's called "MORRIGAN'S BAD VOICE ACTRESS".

[jermungand]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

jermungand wrote...

I'm sorry Lord Anthonior, but could you maybe revise that middle paragraph and try to divide it into sentences with periods? I would really like to hear your opinion but I can't understand what you've written.

Lol , sorry for that, I was on a rant and it clearly showed that English is not my first language, sometimes it could be difficult to say all what one is thinking while translating from one language to another.

As for the nature of the this thread, maybe you could mention who would you have chosen to cast for Morrigan's voice? and why?

Haha:lol:, this is kind of funny.  LOL

Perhaps if English were your first language you might have gotten the point I was trying to make.  What I'm saying is that the particular WAY in which Morrigan speaks her English is the way very thatt very civilized people speak English.  She was raised in a hut in the wilderness where there are no civilized people to talk to, so why would she sound so civilized?

[jermungand]

night0205 wrote...

jermungand wrote...

night0205 wrote...

Morrigan is anti-social in all regards, and has a deep mistrust and hatred for others because of that insecurity. I don't know why you would make fun of the voice actress for playing the role that has been written for her, and not only that but become the most popular character in Dragon Age.

Whoa!  Hey, I'm not attacking Claudia Black.  She's magnificent, but I don't think she (or the way she was expected to behave) was the right choice in portraying someone with Morrigan's kind of background.

Easy....    I didn't mean to insult your <3special<3 Claudia!

Must of got the wrong idea from a thread that's called "MORRIGAN'S BAD VOICE ACTRESS".

Haha, yeah.  You're right, it's a bad name.  I wish I could change it right now.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 08:40 .