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[PSUHammer]

I disagree with the entire premise of the OP. I think I can speak for the majority of DAO fans and say Claudia's performance was one of the best in the game, and totally fitting.



Watch the Sacred Ashes trailer....perfect for her personality. Guess this proves that there will always be SOMEONE who doesn't like something.

[UberDuber]

Claudia Black's voice suited Morrigan......!

[Original182]

OP, I'm one of the few people who agree with you. Don't cave in to the peer pressure of these Morrigan cheerleaders. Hold strong to your opinion.

[Daewan]

The whole point of seduction is to act like something appealing to the person you are seducing. If she spoke like a filthy Chasind barbarian, the only men she would be able to draw into Flemeth's hut would be filthy Chasind Barbarians and creepy men who like uneducated barbarian women. But to seduce a Templar or a Grey Warden, something different would be needed, to say the least.

And as for little girls learning to talk, there's a reason Raven doesn't talk like a Detroit gangland brat, and why Hannah Montana enunciates clearly (for the most part). It's because Disney knows what the little girls who feed on their shows will do. They will copy every word, every gesture, every mannerism, that the see their little stars do on the show. They copy their mothers, they copy what they admire, they copy whatever they think is interesting.

I'm pretty sure Flemeth groomed Morrigan to fit into her expected role since she was old enough to talk. Morrigan didn't just decide to start talking like a countess one day. Knowing Flemeth, she probably had it beaten into her. It never occurred to you to wonder why Flemeth was dressed in clean, normal Fereldan clothing while her daughter was dressed up like a Chasind?

[jermungand]

Original182 wrote...

OP, I'm one of the few people who agree with you. Don't cave in to the peer pressure of these Morrigan cheerleaders. Hold strong to your opinion.

Thank you so very much!!! :happy:  Feel free to respond to a few of these cheerleaders yourself, if you'd fancy to.  There appears to be quite a horde of them and I have my hands full with their angry snappings.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 06:47 .

[Khayness]

Wow, a perfectly good argument instead a senseless hate thread!

<3Dragon Age Forums<3

[jermungand]

Daradain wrote...

And lets face it, if Morigan sounded like a red-neck, no one would like her. Red-necks are funny, evil superior red-necks are impossible to stand. 

  Haha!  Very true.  However, I NEVER once even suggested that she should sound like a redneck, of all things.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 07:05 .

[bloodreaperfx]

jermungand wrote...

Original182 wrote...

OP, I'm one of the few people who agree with you. Don't cave in to the peer pressure of these Morrigan cheerleaders. Hold strong to your opinion.

Thank you so very much!!! :happy:  Feel free to respond to a few of these cheerleaders yourself, if you'd fancy to.  There appears to be quite a horde of them and I have my hands full with their angry snappings.

Wow, calling counter-arguments angry snappings. There goes your credibility.

Troll away.

[jermungand]

bloodreaperfx wrote...

jermungand wrote...

Original182 wrote...

OP, I'm one of the few people who agree with you. Don't cave in to the peer pressure of these Morrigan cheerleaders. Hold strong to your opinion.

Thank you so very much!!! :happy:  Feel free to respond to a few of these cheerleaders yourself, if you'd fancy to.  There appears to be quite a horde of them and I have my hands full with their angry snappings.

Wow, calling counter-arguments angry snappings. There goes your credibility.

Troll away.

Really though, many people have been unprecedentedly abrasive.  I'm not referring to the material of their arguements so much as the aggression with which they've been delivering them.

Your first post was refreshingly respectful I might add.   Thanks for that!  Not to mention that you were actually on the same page when you made your counter-arguement.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[jermungand]

SmokePants wrote...

jermungand wrote...

It's still an aristocratic accent.  Regardless of what the writers choose to write about it, it still is a very posh accent to all of us here on Earth, and is therefore a bad choice in trying to make this character believable to people. Sorry but you've missed the mark and my point still stands.

Not believable to people? What people? You mean you? This game came out 10 months ago and nobody had an issue with the performance until you decided to post this ill-conceived train of thought.

The fact is, Morrigan is not aristocratic. She does not sound aristocratic. And she is not intended to sound aristocratic. What she is is the most memorable character of the entire game. Not believable?

Get out more. Brave the stench and visit a renaissance fair. You'll find plenty of filthy people talking like "aristocrats." Go tell them that it's not believable.

I promise you this: the writers and Claudia Black are smarter than you and they've forgotten more about suspension of disbelief than you'll ever know. That is a straight-up fact.

I think you are approaching my arguement from an entirely different wavelength than that of the arguement itself, my good sir.  With respect.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Nightwriter]

Actually, in the interests of preserving her character, I honestly could see this as something Morrigan may have chosen to adopt all on her own.

Children who live in isolation from people sometimes take to imitating them, watching them, becoming fascinated with their mannerisms and behavior, and may attempt to mimic what they see.

We know Morrigan was fascinated with people, high born women in particular, and I can honestly see her trying to talk like them, act like them, and become the image of beauty and opulence she sees in her head.

[RGC_Ines]

jermungand wrote...

Despite all the character and detail Bioware lavished upon the witch, I could never really find Morrigan believable enough to be interesting, and now I know why.  They gave her a ladylike, upper class accent. What ON EARTH were the creators even THINKING?  She's a complete outsider to society, raised in a shack in the woods by a crazy witch-mom where she does her freaky wierd-sister stuff, but as soon as she opens her mouth she's some stuck up countess. <_<

You thing, that it's bad? So You NEVER heard it in my native language..It was terrible, belive me...here is an sample of Morrigan's voice in polish version ( just click on red Morrigan #1, #2 etc) if You want to hear something really bad
http://bioworld.ea.pl/?p=690

[Ravenfeeder]

Morrigan sounds like an Australian - ie like a barbarian criminal from the sticks, so I don't see what your point is.



[I jest, I jest, in case any Australians take offence]

[jermungand]

TJPags wrote...

jermungand wrote...

TJPags wrote...

jermungand wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Umm, children imitate their parents. MOrrigan likely picked up whatever characterisitcs of "I'm better than you" you're sensing from Flemith.

Keep in mind, also - you're judging an accent by your own values/thoughts. Not everyone finds Claudia Blacks accent - not sure if it's British or Aussie or what - to be a "nobles" accent. Just because you do, well, you do.

Just going by the few responses here, it doesn't seem like everyone shares that opinion.

Yeah, but who has she practiced this "I'm better than you" demeanor on??  Obviously not on her mother.

Anyway, noble or not, her particular brand of British accent and mannerism are definitely too refined for someone who has lived that sort of life,  and that's not just "my values/thoughts"

Why do you think she needs to practice it?  You need to practice something that doesn't come naturally.  As she was raised by Flemith, who has that attitude herself, it likely comes naturally to her - assuming it's there at all.  I'm not sure I even agree with that.

As for her accent - if it's not just your values/thoughts, then where does it come from? 

A manner of speaking to other people only comes naturally if you actually speak to other people.  She's been in near total seclusion from everyone but her mother, to whom she would never speak in that manner.  It may be hard to imagine, but if you never had real contact with other people for your entire life except one harsh domineering mother, you would not be on your feet while talking to people.

As for her accent - these values/thoughts of mine are pretty well established and understood within the English speaking world I should tell you.  They have for many generations over hundreds of years, during which time people's have had accents derivative of the societies and locations in which they lived. 

Insofar as you are completely oblivious to this, I can only suppose that you haven't been exposed to the culture of the English speaking world for very long.  Perhaps you're really young or you're not from the western world, I don't know.

Wow.  Have you missed the mark, and contradicted yourself, all in one voice.

First - I am indeed from the English speaking world.  Born, raised, and still live in a small city on the east coast of the United States - you may have heard of it.  New York City. 

Second - I have heard, and interacted with people who have, a large variety of accents, in the 40+ years I've been on this Earth, and in this city.  So I assure you, I've not only been exposed to the culture of the English speaking world, but I have been for a long time.

Now - you mention that a person's accent is derivitive of the society in which they live.  I've mentioned that children learning to speak immitate their parents - I'll add that the imitate their neighbors and other relatives, as well.  That, my friend, is fact, otherwise, why would everyone from a particular family/geographic area sound so much alike.

Agree so far?  Good.

Flemith is a highly educated woman.  Was married to a lord, before that a successful merchant.  Clearly, powerful, upper crust people.  Her accent shows that, albeit that her voice is somewhat more raspy than Morrigan's.  I, personally, see some similiarity in the cadence, pronunciation and enunciation between Flemith and Morrigan.  Which makes sense, as her model for speaking when she was learning to do so was Flemith - a highly educated person who spent a long part of her life interactig with and being one of the powerful - the high society people, you know, like all of the British are. 

Obviously, you would prefer he to sound like some uneducated hill-billy-redneck from the backwoods of Mississippi or something, just because she 'grew up in a swamp'.  That's not the case, and I - and a lot of other people in this thread - think it makes sense.

So, again, perhaps your own values are coloring your impression here, and perhaps those values are not as based in fact - or as wide spread - as you may think. 

There are many British accents.  This seems to be what you're not grasping.  If I sound like I've contradicted myself, it's because your problem with realizing this is really quite baffling to me.  (shrug) Sorry.

But anyway, you make a point that a lot of people have been making:  that Morrigan acquired her accent and high society manner from Flemeth.  That's not really enough of a reason if you think about it.  Her mother did all that by herself?  Yeah right.

[nathaneresilem]

Why do most people believe all english people or british ( as thats the most common name for the people of Britain or england ) people think all us english have posh aristocratic accents?. When really thats only upper class or the middle class part of english society when those of us in the north have accents closer to the scottish.



also Cladia black is from Austrailia so her accent may be simillar to a upper class british accent.



just to let you all know im from England and I live in the Northern City of Newcastle upon tyne or just Newcastle.

[jermungand]

nathaneresilem wrote...

Why do most people believe all english people or british ( as thats the most common name for the people of Britain or england ) people think all us english have posh aristocratic accents?. When really thats only upper class or the middle class part of english society when those of us in the north have accents closer to the scottish.

also Cladia black is from Austrailia so her accent may be simillar to a upper class british accent.

just to let you all know im from England and I live in the Northern City of Newcastle upon tyne or just Newcastle.

Thanks for saying it.

Everybody who's having such a hard time understanding my arguement, listen to this.

Modifié par jermungand, 04 septembre 2010 - 08:32 .

[nathaneresilem]

Also the game form what i've heard is based partly on medival england so her accent doe's at times not fit as an accent for that sort of time period.



( and yes i know its a RPG fanatsy game i just pointing out what i know )

[nathaneresilem]

jermungand wrote...

nathaneresilem wrote...

Why do most people believe all english people or british ( as thats the most common name for the people of Britain or england ) people think all us english have posh aristocratic accents?. When really thats only upper class or the middle class part of english society when those of us in the north have accents closer to the scottish.

also Cladia black is from Austrailia so her accent may be simillar to a upper class british accent.

just to let you all know im from England and I live in the Northern City of Newcastle upon tyne or just Newcastle.

Thanks for saying it.

Everybody who's having such a hard time understanding my arguement, listen to this.

I don't mind explaining the differences between the most stereotyped accent from the real modern day to the accent that is about 300 - 200 or even 100 year old lol

[nathaneresilem]

best example i think of a northern english accent would that singer cheryl cole listen to her talk thats a northern accent though not as strong as it once was but that is a northern english accent



only giving her name as and example don't **** about it cause thats just to give an idea about who wrong people are about english accents lol

[Squareinc]

well 3 of my 4 friends who play this game religiously every day all say they love morrigan's voice and personality while the fourth one is a little saint who only romances leliana and loathes morrigan (because of her being evil), but even him says that she has a great voice (better than leliana at least)

[DarthCaine]

The only problem I had with Morrigan's VA is that I knew that it was Claudia Black and kept imagining her face whenever Morrigan spoke

[errant_knight]

I've always enjoyed Claudia Black's work, well mostly. Loved her in Farscape, but I wasn't so keen about SG-1. Don't get me wrong, she did a good job, I just didn't care for the character. I did go from hating her to feeling a certain empathy, though, and that took some doing. I thought she did a wonderful job of portraying Morrigan.

Regarding her accent, she's been almost entirely alone for her whole life. All her speech influences are from Flemth, who has no doubt learned to sound in any way she desires over her long and many lives. One presumes that Morrigan speaks the way she does because that's how Flemeth wanted her to sound, for reasons of her own.

Modifié par errant_knight, 05 septembre 2010 - 03:10 .

[errant_knight]

DarthCaine wrote...

The only problem I had with Morrigan's VA is that I knew that it was Claudia Black and kept imagining her face whenever Morrigan spoke

That was a problem for me initially, too. Well, through the whole thing--I just got used to it. She has a ver distinctive voice. It didn't detract from my enjoyment, though. Interestingly, I had no idea that Steve Valentine was voicing Alistair, although, I was very familiar with his work.

[Kail Ashton]

Allrighty then, jermungand you are wrong, there is no debate or philosophical discussion on one's preffrences, every word you typed is simply wrong.



The fact you baby this thread and reply to everything makes me believe you are simply a troll, which i really hope is the case