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[Skyblade012]

Nightwriter wrote...

And yet Jack was mentally scarred, and didn't do the same thing. This isn't me disregarding what he went through, it was clear he was damaged mentally and emotionally, but to the extent he would do this? I do wonder. It's especially hard when Jack's standing right there, having went through the exact same thing, telling him he's totally nuts.

For one thing, they didn't go through the exact same thing.

For another, they were two different people.   Their minds would have different reactions to stress, and would not have the same level of stability.

Jack reacted to her trauma by wanting to wipe it off the galaxy, Aresh was trying to find some meaning behind it.

[Daewan]

For me, it's a tie between Administrator Anoleis and Warden Kuril. Both of them really should have known better. They knew Shepard, and what Shep was/is capable of, and yet they both still chose to go try and get in Shep's way. What did they think was going to happen?

[Nightwriter]

I think Kuril was much worse than Anoleis. Anoleis was a cutthroat corporate shark on a cutthroat corporate planet. Kuril chose to try and kidnap Shepard, knowing Shepard's power, knowing he'd saved the Citadel, knowing his powerful warship was docked with the facility, knowing the Illusive Man had nigh unlimited resources to throw at getting Shepard back, knowing there was no way Shepard could be confined without someone coming after him.

[Christmas Ape]

Anoleis also had the advantage of knowing that pulling a gun and puncturing his skull would do Shepard no actual good. ERCS guards are everywhere, and they still punish murder (I imagine) - how many cops doing their job is Shepard willing to gun down on his first mission?

However, this is a surety not offered to members of the Blue Suns, slavers, and people who make Shepard angry on purpose. To his misfortune, Kuril is all of these.

[Daewan]

I just don't understand why Anoleis didn't just try to bribe Shepard right up front? Hand over a pass. Anything to get Shepard out of the way as quickly as possible. Instead, he practically makes impossible for Shepard to do anything other than find some quality blackmail material on Anoleis in order to finish the mission. And then he still doesn't try to work with Shepard; he blusters and threatens and offers a piddly bribe - after he has his stupid wench try to kill Shepard. It's the continued process of making stupid decisions against all common sense that I don't understand.

I do agree, Kuril is a moron, too, but at least he still had a literal fighting chance. If he had won, Shepard would have been locked away forever and Kuril would have been well-paid. Anoleis should have been offering a big fat bribe, or poisoning Shepard's drink. Not shouting insults.

[lovgreno]

Anyone who pilots a gunship fighting Shepard. When It's clear that the defences of the gunship is being destroyed by Shepard while the gunship fails to seriously hurt Shepard it should be rather obvious that it's time to fly the heck away to fight another day. But nooo, they keep shouting villain cliche's as that would in any way shield them.

[Nightwriter]

Anoleis's prerogative was to keep Shepard away from his clients' facilities, including Peak 14. He couldn't be sure Shepard would accept a bribe, and he didn't want to give Shepard a pass as it might be exposing all manner of nasty corporate secrets that Shepard might find out in his investigation. Besides, he didn't like Shepard and Saren was a wealthy client. Council authority is not appreciated there.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Although I don't think he's the dumbest, I'd like to give a dishonorable mention to a buffoon that hasn't yet been mention in this thread: Elanos Haliat.

For those unfamilar with Elanos Haliat, he's a pirate that plots revenge on the War Hero Shepard for humiliating him on the doorstep to Elysium during the Skyllian Blitz. Granted, Shepard had not yet saved the Citadel but he was a Spectre and the savior of Elysium, a man who fought a near suicidal battle against overwhelming numbers of Batarians and their pirate and merc proxies, and emerged victorious as one of the greatest heroes in humanity's history. Having faced him in battle before Elanos should know Shepard isn't someone to be trifled with ,yet he decides one humiliating defeat wasn't enough and he tries to set a trap for Shepard on Agebinium. This results in yet another EPIC FAIL.

[lovgreno]

Yeah Haliat's trap was realy dumb. You would think the guy never watched a Bond movie.

[Nightwriter]

He probably figured the explosives were on his side. But Shepard is the Patron Saint of Explosives. All explosives are on Shepard's side. When explosives first come into this world, they rub their eyes, blink, look around at Shepard and say, "... Father?"

[Christmas Ape]

Nightwriter wrote...

Anoleis's prerogative was to keep Shepard away from his clients' facilities, including Peak 14.

15.

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Having faced him in battle before Elanos should know Shepard isn't someone to be trifled with, yet he decides one humiliating defeat wasn't enough and he tries to set a trap for Shepard on Agebinium.

To which he brings about...eight guys and a bomb, because Shepard hasn't had to disarm one of those before. And then he tries to steal your ride.

When I'm feeling generous, I think of it as a 'warrior's death' on his part, setting himself up so that Shepard will finish the job started at Elysium - his reputation is ruined, his fighters abandoned him, his power is gone, but he means to die on his feet.

[Tasker]

The dumbest bad guy for me has to be TIM.

He brought me back to life and gave me the most advanced ship in the universe, knowing that all I want to do is blow him away with it.

[Nightwriter]

I would never call TIM dumb.

[AntiChri5]

Just ethically challenged.

[Nightwriter]

Rofl, is that what we're calling it now? Ah, political correctness, you never fail to amuse.

[TonyTitan]

Not sure if they will do anything with this particular story in ME3....but if they do, then Cpl. Toombs will certainly get my vote for being the dumbest....Gathering his little merc group together to go after Shephard since he worked for Cerberus AFTER knowing what they did to Toombs with the Thresher Maw Attacks. IF he still opts to go after Shepard, even knowing that he stopped Saren and the Collectors, then yeah, I'd call that pretty dumb.

[didymos1120]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
For those unfamilar with Elanos Haliat, he's a pirate that plots revenge on the War Hero Shepard for humiliating him on the doorstep to Elysium during the Skyllian Blitz.

You can run into him regardless of your background.  He just has a little extra dialogue for War Heroes. 

[Arijharn]

Sajuro wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

numotsbane wrote...

I think the eclipse guard in Thanes recruitment deserves a mention. though admittedly he does smarten up if you give him the opportunity.

Definitely this guy. Just so much of what he does is just plain moronic. 

Saying that he isn't going to say anything when standing in front of a huge window looking down on a drop from a skyscraper.

Pretty much, but he also had two people with guns drawn on him and he didn't have the element of surprise. He was just plain foolish really, even if Shephard didn't push him through the window he was still under threat from Shep's companions putting hypervelocity slugs into him and he had to know that even if the Assassin did breech the majority of their defenses (he was talking to his superiors about this very thing when shep interrupted him) this new absolute badass and his crew did the exact same thing.

To be flat out antagonistic at this part is plain stupid and it would seem almost a favour to the rest of humanity by preventing him from breeding and dragging down the collective quality of the human gene pool. In all seriousness though, who would act like that in that situation?

[Tao88]

Pretty much any of those 'thugs' in ME1 with a pistol who assault a fully armed commando squad practically dripping with weapons.

They're like the thugs who get confronted by Batman and instead of running or giving themselves up, think to themselves 'well, he's taken down supervillains and criminals and maniacs much more well equipped and smarter than me. But on the other hand, I have a length of chain! He doesn't stand a chance!'

Modifié par Tao88, 05 septembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[numotsbane]

you never know though. it could be the lengthy chain. plus batman won't kill you, he'll just give you some wicked scars. whereas if you kill him, you get like +1 billion street cred.

[Skyblade012]

Really, I have to agree that it's Warden Kuril. The guy is just stupid.

I mean, nevermind that his whole slavery thing makes no sense in the first place. I mean, slaves are availible at far less prices, and apt to be far less dangerous, all over the galaxy, why would anyone pay his premium prices? To "punish criminals personally"? Really? Yeah, no. The entire business model makes no sense. "Want a slave? Why not try our new Subject Zero! Guaranteed to SLAUGHTER YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN SECONDS!"

But, as I said, nevermind that. He decides the best thing to do is...capture Shepard. I mean, seriously, WTF? That plan makes no sense on any level.

He's flouting Cerberus and the Illusive Man (although this is a minor point, since, as we've discussed in other threads, unless Cerberus is doing orthodox R&D, they are woefully inept), which, if galactic rumor had any power behind it, is a one-way trip to the bottom of a lake with cement shoes on.

He's trying to take on the single most dangerous person in existence, who has single handly taken out basically every advanced combat entity known. And he didn't even remove her weapons. I mean, entertaining the idea is stupid enough, but he wasn't even smart enough to drop it when he couldn't convince Shepard to drop her weapons.

He's also ignoring the frelling Thanix Cannon that is pointed directly at his precious little prison ship. Does he think that the Normandy is just going to fly away peacefully when her captain is held on a ship that has a vastly inferior armament?

Modifié par Skyblade012, 05 septembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[gunswordfist]

Yeah, I commented about how freaking stupid the Warden is. But I still can't believe Shepard thought it was a good reason to release all the prisoners just to get a psycho. I love me some Jack, but I wouldn't have done the finest thing possible just to recruit a stranger. Shepard should have just went back to the ship.

[gunswordfist]

Pacifien wrote... I remember a thread comparing who was

dumber: Kuril or Jedore. I'm pretty sure Jedore

took the priiize on stupidity.

But releasing super psycho Korgan on your own men and deadly gas in the room you are in are such genius moves.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Ramgigon wrote...

 Everybody in Garrus' recruitment mission. Everybody.

Couldn't we just bump this up to, 'Anytime you bring Garrus, it's everyone in that mission?'

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 05 septembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[gunswordfist]

implodinggoat wrote... Oh come on guys there is one epic retard who

takes the cake. Ethan Jeong the Exo Geni rep on Feros from ME1. He knows you're a SPECTRE, and when you

confront him about what he's doing AFTER

you finish fighting your way through a couple

hundred Geth who had already killed most of

his staff and sent him and the surviving staff

running, he pulls out a gun and decides that he's going to take you and your squad down

despite the fact the he's just a paper pusher

with no combat training who has no armor

and is armed only with a pistol. And on top of

that all he has backing him up are a handful

of security guards who wisely choose not to screw with you after you blow their bosses

brains out. Oh yeah and you also drove up to his location

in a tank and you happen to be the

Commander of the only ship that can get him

off the planet and which is fully capable of

leveling his present location from orbit. That my friends is epically retarded.

magelet wrote... Seriously though, probably that Exogeni

guy (Jeong I think was his name?) on Feros.

I...never really got what

his deal was.

I think the idea behind Jeong pulling the gun

on you was that he panicked when he realized

that he was going to be exposed for the

Thorian experiments and made the incredibly

dumb decision to take you on. So on the one

hand he didn't plan out his stupidity ahead of time like Warden Kurill; but he still made a

decision which puts Kurill's scheme to shame. I mean think about it, Kurill had a whole

prison full of Blue Suns at his back and was a

pretty tough SOB himself. Jeong was a

beaureaucrat with a pistol and a handful of

tired security guards who aren't being paid

anywhere near enough to back him up in a fight against a SPECTRE.

This post wins the internet.