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[Collider]

I don't know, I think a lot of ladies are into RPGs. Unlike, say, FPS and RTS games that are definitely more male-dominated. I'd be interested to know the real breakdown though.

I agree. However if I recall correctly, the 60-40 statistic seems to take into account the most casual female gamers who hardly play anything more complex than farmville or solitaire. Could very well be wrong though.



I'd be interested in the demographics of console gamers.

[Hattie]

Anarya wrote...

HarryThePlotter wrote...

MariSkep wrote...
Please accept another gesture of my disdain.

Why do people insist on pushing the fool idea all gamers are men and all games must therefore be made for men? It's stupid and flat out wrong in it's basic premise, that female gamers are an insignificant minority.

I read a Dev post (I think it was Mike Laidlaw) accepting that their audience of dominance was indeed Male. I will try and find that post now. But I would be obliged if someone knows where it is.

60% of your audience being male does not in any way mean the other 40% is unimportant.

40% of your profits is a huge percent.

Also, if this thread is anything to go by, lots of guys like strong and sensibly armoured women too. Which is really nice to see btw, I've always found something a bit needy and insecure about guys who like girls weak and exposed.

Modifié par Hattie, 04 septembre 2010 - 08:39 .

[Collider]

slimgrin wrote...

Character designers will rarely create female outfits based solely on practicality. The female figure invites embellishment, and that's not a bad thing.

Not inherently bad, but it often becomes bad.

[InvisiShepard]

If FemHawke has a large enough/muscular enough physique to carry those then it won't be a problem

The sad part is that Bioware probably doesn't care about all this.



It's surprising that they have no FemHawke trailers. They could go all the way and say PLAY OUR GAME AND LOOK AT THOSE BOOBS!!! I mean sex sells right?

[Collider]

InvisiShepard wrote...

If FemHawke has a large enough/muscular enough physique to carry those then it won't be a problem
The sad part is that Bioware probably doesn't care about all this.

It's surprising that they have no FemHawke trailers. They could go all the way and say PLAY OUR GAME AND LOOK AT THOSE BOOBS!!! I mean sex sells right?

That won't fly in a game that doesn't center around the female PC being sexy - not to mention the fact that the PC's gender is chooseable.

[Anarya]

Collider wrote...

I don't know, I think a lot of ladies are into RPGs. Unlike, say, FPS and RTS games that are definitely more male-dominated. I'd be interested to know the real breakdown though.

I agree. However if I recall correctly, the 60-40 statistic seems to take into account the most casual female gamers who hardly play anything more complex than farmville or solitaire. Could very well be wrong though.

I'd be interested in the demographics of console gamers.

It does take casual gamers into account, but the breakdown is similar at cons, which are way nerdier than your average Farmville-playing soccer mom is into. Granted not everyone at a con is into gaming but I always think this indicates there are more hardcore female fans of gaming and other nerdery than people think.

[HarryThePlotter]

Hattie wrote...
Also, if this thread is anything to go by, lots of guys like strong and sensibly armoured women too. Which is really nice to see btw, I've always found something a bit needy and insecure about guys who like girls weak and exposed.

Just to point out one important fact:

Comic female warrior icon: Red sonja
Console Female Icon: Lara croft..

Are hardly described as weak. Exposed ( )? yes! Weak... Noooooooooo....

[Icinix]

Anarya wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't know, I think a lot of ladies are into RPGs. Unlike, say, FPS and RTS games that are definitely more male-dominated. I'd be interested to know the real breakdown though.

I agree. However if I recall correctly, the 60-40 statistic seems to take into account the most casual female gamers who hardly play anything more complex than farmville or solitaire. Could very well be wrong though.

I'd be interested in the demographics of console gamers.

It does take casual gamers into account, but the breakdown is similar at cons, which are way nerdier than your average Farmville-playing soccer mom is into. Granted not everyone at a con is into gaming but I always think this indicates there are more hardcore female fans of gaming and other nerdery than people think.

Just a thought : Would it be fair to say that there are probably more male 'casual' gamers in the total male gamers and a higher 'hardcore' gamer in the female gamer field?  Not in total numbers, but in percentages?

[Collider]

Just a thought : Would it be fair to say that there are probably more male 'casual' gamers in the total male gamers and a higher 'hardcore' gamer in the female gamer field? Not in total numbers, but in percentages?

I have a feeling it's the other way around, actually.

[Anarya]

Icinix wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't know, I think a lot of ladies are into RPGs. Unlike, say, FPS and RTS games that are definitely more male-dominated. I'd be interested to know the real breakdown though.

I agree. However if I recall correctly, the 60-40 statistic seems to take into account the most casual female gamers who hardly play anything more complex than farmville or solitaire. Could very well be wrong though.

I'd be interested in the demographics of console gamers.

It does take casual gamers into account, but the breakdown is similar at cons, which are way nerdier than your average Farmville-playing soccer mom is into. Granted not everyone at a con is into gaming but I always think this indicates there are more hardcore female fans of gaming and other nerdery than people think.

Just a thought : Would it be fair to say that there are probably more male 'casual' gamers in the total male gamers and a higher 'hardcore' gamer in the female gamer field?  Not in total numbers, but in percentages?

Hm interesting question. No idea.

[Merced256]

i find all of this funny. I wonder if girls take this as a sort of kick-in-teeth type thing because they've begged for female oriented marketing for so long and they still get some chick who was ultimately probably more designed around what the guys would want to see than anything else. Now thats pure speculation, but i find it poignant.

[Collider]

Hm interesting question. No idea.

I personally suspect that there are more casual gamers proportionally among female gamers.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

Collider wrote...

Hm interesting question. No idea.

I personally suspect that there are more casual gamers proportionally among female gamers.

I have to agree. I rarley find other female gamers and I get attacked by men every time I play online like they have never seen a girl playing video game.

[Icinix]

Collider wrote...

Hm interesting question. No idea.

I personally suspect that there are more casual gamers proportionally among female gamers.

It would probably be impossible to find out without extensive research.  From my own group I know, it's definitely the female gamers are more hardcore, where as most of the male gamers are casual.

Regardless, the divide is definitely thinning rapidly.

[Dave of Canada]

Collider wrote...

Hm interesting question. No idea.

I personally suspect that there are more casual gamers proportionally among female gamers.

While I do suspect there's a lot more "hardcore" male gamers overall, I suspect they stick more games like Modern Warfare 2 and Madden (year) than reaching out into foreign territory. But overall, I'd say that the Bioware fans tend to be pretty balanced between the genders.

[Icinix]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Hm interesting question. No idea.

I personally suspect that there are more casual gamers proportionally among female gamers.

I have to agree. I rarley find other female gamers and I get attacked by men every time I play online like they have never seen a girl playing video game.

Another thought: Wonder what the break up would look like between single player offline gamers and online gamers?

But that's off topic.

[CalJones]

There are a lot of women who started out playing Solitaire and now play Farmville. Those kind of casual games are more likely to attract women, like it or not.

But an increasing number of women are hardcore gamers. I'm about as hardcore as they come - I got my first PC in 1988 (a splendid thing that ran at 8MHz and didn't even have a hard drive) and played NetHack on it obsessively, then progressed to better machinery and more commercial games as time went on. Worked as a games journalist during the 90s and when the bottom fell out of the magazine market (the Internet made games mags more or less obsolete, sadly) I continued playing them just for fun. There hasn't been a time since 1988 when I haven't played games for several hours a day. It's an almost OCD thing, with me.

Then again I am more male-brained than the average woman - I pretty much rejected the idea of marriage and children, like to lift weights and don't much care for girly stuff, with a few exceptions. So I'm hardly typical.

[Collider]

But overall, I'd say that the Bioware fans tend to be pretty balanced between the genders.

On this website, maybe. In reality? Most of them are probably guys. That said, Bioware games tend to have a much less obtuse proportion, I'd wager.

[Merced256]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Collider wrote...

Hm interesting question. No idea.

I personally suspect that there are more casual gamers proportionally among female gamers.

While I do suspect there's a lot more "hardcore" male gamers overall, I suspect they stick more games like Modern Warfare 2 and Madden (year) than reaching out into foreign territory. But overall, I'd say that the Bioware fans tend to be pretty balanced between the genders.

I definitely agree with this. My first jaunts to the bioware forums back when NWN first hit shocked me with the amount of female posters, or at least percieved female posters. Then i thought gaming was almost purely a male hobby and even then one most of them were probably embarassed about. Which i think opens another interesting can of worms on the subject. Do women feel some kind of social pressure to adhere to certain hobbies such as men and sports or fixing cars, and any other stereotypical male hobbies?

Modifié par Merced256, 04 septembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[Hattie]

MariSkep wrote...

HarryThePlotter wrote...

Hattie wrote...
Also, if this thread is anything to go by, lots of guys like strong and sensibly armoured women too. Which is really nice to see btw, I've always found something a bit needy and insecure about guys who like girls weak and exposed.

Just to point out one important fact:

Comic female warrior icon: Red sonja
Console Female Icon: Lara croft..
Are hardly described as weak. Exposed ( )? yes! Weak... Noooooooooo....

It depends what you mean by weak. Can't speak for Sonja but Lara Croft really doesn't do much to assert herself or make herself known. It's essentially 'bad guys. shoot them.repeat.' She's not interesting except for the fact she had big jugs back in the day.

Plus they both have twig arms. Their "strength" is clearly fictional, very nice and gentle on fragile masculinities.

Modifié par Hattie, 04 septembre 2010 - 09:04 .

[InvisiShepard]

If a MAN fears a strong woman then he is not a man but a BOY
I for one like a chick who can kick my ass. I find it hot

Again if people want games to be taken seriously we have to stop appealing to the immature teenage males
I mean the X-Box 360 was marketed as something all cool frat boy college kids would want to buy

Modifié par InvisiShepard, 04 septembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[Icinix]

Merced256 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Collider wrote...

Hm interesting question. No idea.

I personally suspect that there are more casual gamers proportionally among female gamers.

While I do suspect there's a lot more "hardcore" male gamers overall, I suspect they stick more games like Modern Warfare 2 and Madden (year) than reaching out into foreign territory. But overall, I'd say that the Bioware fans tend to be pretty balanced between the genders.

I definitely agree with this. My first jaunts to the bioware forums back when NWN first hit shocked me with the amount of female posters, or at least percieved female posters. Then i thought gaming was almost purely a male hobby and even then one most of them were probably embarassed about. Which i think opens another interesting can of worms on the subject. Do women feel some kind of social pressure to adhere to certain hobbies such as men and sports or fixing cars, and any other stereotypical male hobbies?

Not being a woman, I can't comment! HOWEVER, there is definitely still a social pressure on males to adhere to certain traditional 'male' orientated hobbies.  Which I try to shirk as much as possible, so a fair assumption would be to say it works both ways indeed.

[Nowshin]

Aristorum wrote...

For all we know, Varric might just be exaggerating.

In all seriousness, I'm a little disappointed the breasts are so large, but I don't particularly care enough to really argue either side.

*toasts*

[Merced256]

Icinix wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Collider wrote...

Hm interesting question. No idea.

I personally suspect that there are more casual gamers proportionally among female gamers.

While I do suspect there's a lot more "hardcore" male gamers overall, I suspect they stick more games like Modern Warfare 2 and Madden (year) than reaching out into foreign territory. But overall, I'd say that the Bioware fans tend to be pretty balanced between the genders.

I definitely agree with this. My first jaunts to the bioware forums back when NWN first hit shocked me with the amount of female posters, or at least percieved female posters. Then i thought gaming was almost purely a male hobby and even then one most of them were probably embarassed about. Which i think opens another interesting can of worms on the subject. Do women feel some kind of social pressure to adhere to certain hobbies such as men and sports or fixing cars, and any other stereotypical male hobbies?

Not being a woman, I can't comment! HOWEVER, there is definitely still a social pressure on males to adhere to certain traditional 'male' orientated hobbies.  Which I try to shirk as much as possible, so a fair assumption would be to say it works both ways indeed.

Yea, in the past i've had some friends duck out on going to QuakeCon because it was "too nerdy" and its the same reason none of us ever went to a midnight release of TBC, WotLK, or SC2. Although for some reason we all went to the midnight showing of SW:EP3.