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[Theagg]

Arttis wrote...

I am sure some women did.
It was too costly for a smith who works mainly on men to learn adn experiment making a female specific armor.
After all the battlefield where the men were needed the armor the most.

You don't actually know what you are talking about do you.

[Arttis]

Sphynx118 wrote...

InvisiShepard wrote...

If Dragon Age 2 has bars full of busty wenches that is fine but I wish they would not impose the indignity of making the female main character look like Red Sonja. I mean compare FemShep and the PC from DAO, the chicks from Jade Empire and KOTOR

Also, to all women comfortable with their large breasts. Good for you but you don't spend your day trekking for miles or partaking in close combat with demonic hordes. You know, the problem would be less so if FemHawke was an archer, I have seen well endowed Olympic level archers so there isn't a realism problem. But as a warrior it doesn't make sense.

Even if you were born busty, the sheer physical exertion and training required would give you musculature to match yet we don't even get that here. It's pure Fanservice

QFT
This is actually a good constructed post for a change.
Instead of just going on about pornstars or obvious biased boob envy.

We have onyl seen hawkes mother and sister.
Neither went through a ton of physical training as far as we can tell.

[Arttis]

Theagg wrote...

Arttis wrote...

I am sure some women did.
It was too costly for a smith who works mainly on men to learn adn experiment making a female specific armor.
After all the battlefield where the men were needed the armor the most.

You don't actually know what you are talking about do you.

I find that insulting.

[Faz432]

Theagg wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Theagg wrote...

Referring to actual artwork from the medieval and renaissance periods of women in armour also makes the point clearly. Ie, no armour shaped and moulded like massive cleavage to be seen anywhere.

Ergo, many of these people simply want to see boobage for its own sake and for the rise it gives them..

Erm how many women actually wore armor in the medieval and renaissance period?

Also an artist in thos periods would paint the subject in a way that was fashionable at the time.



In this painting we can see Anne Boleyn wearing a low cut top, if she had anything over a B cup we would see cleavage but the artist has painted her as having no breast what so ever.

You have not done your research very well. Try here, for starters.

http://www.larsdatte...en-in-armor.htm

Woemn did wear armor. That's a fact.

You obviously can't read very well, I said "how many"

Hey but I'd expect that from someone who thinks that modern women wearing period costume in amature events is an accurate reflection of the historical truth.

Also I'd like to put forward Corsets, these things were made with the specific reason of making the waste look tiny while accentuating the bosom so is that not realistic or accurate?

Modifié par Faz432, 04 septembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[Balvale]

Russalka wrote...
The poster before you summed it up.

Chris Readman wrote...

I mean, you belong to
the camp which has essentially reduced the identity of women to nothing
but their boobs, which is frankly insulting.

Indeed.
All this drama over a pair of breasts is ridiculous. It's a trivial
issue having very little to do with the game itself. To be so bothered over the
realism of a well-endowed woman not having back pain after slaying monsters with fire shooting from her fingertips...

I don't even see how the argument can be made that it's objectifying; she was covered up. No thigh-high fish net stockings, leather corsets, or high heels.

She showed a little cleavage, god have mercy on us all!

[Arttis]

As I said before.

BIG breasts do not impact the story at all.

small breasts do not impact the story at all.

[Arttis]

Illborne wrote...

Arttis wrote...

No one said its THE ONLY WAY.
It is simply the easiest.
Face and hair is not a good way as many men look very feminine.

You know, if you were a woman, I bet you would flip your argument around to advocate for the compulsory portrayal of beard growth on men.
...Would that it were...

How do you know I am not:blink:

[Theagg]

Arttis wrote...

Theagg wrote...

Arttis wrote...

I am sure some women did.
It was too costly for a smith who works mainly on men to learn adn experiment making a female specific armor.
After all the battlefield where the men were needed the armor the most.

You don't actually know what you are talking about do you.

I find that insulting.

Let me help you then, plate armour was 'custom made', ie, made for the person who ordered it. And only the very rich could afford it.

It wasn't pulled 'off the shelf' down at the local smithy as a one size fits all.

So women wearing plate would have had it custom made for them. Because they were wealthy. Got it now...

Perhaps you also need to go look at some real medieval armour and imagine how it possibly could be modified to feature 'boobage'. Try the Milanese Harness for example.

So again, do you actually know what you are talking about ?

[Chris Readman]

Arttis wrote...

As I said before.
BIG breasts do not impact the story at all.
small breasts do not impact the story at all.

Yeah it doesn't, so why not just have more realistically medium sized women instead?

That way, both sides win; the women aren't insulted because now they don't have to play as Double-D Diana, and the men still have something to look at.

[InvisiShepard]

Arttis wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

InvisiShepard wrote...

If Dragon Age 2 has bars full of busty wenches that is fine but I wish they would not impose the indignity of making the female main character look like Red Sonja. I mean compare FemShep and the PC from DAO, the chicks from Jade Empire and KOTOR

Also, to all women comfortable with their large breasts. Good for you but you don't spend your day trekking for miles or partaking in close combat with demonic hordes. You know, the problem would be less so if FemHawke was an archer, I have seen well endowed Olympic level archers so there isn't a realism problem. But as a warrior it doesn't make sense.

Even if you were born busty, the sheer physical exertion and training required would give you musculature to match yet we don't even get that here. It's pure Fanservice

QFT
This is actually a good constructed post for a change.
Instead of just going on about pornstars or obvious biased boob envy.

We have onyl seen hawkes mother and sister.
Neither went through a ton of physical training as far as we can tell.

Yes but Bioware seems to be using the same model for all females except Flemeth (why?). Now if they come out with a unique body model for FemHawke then there won't be any problems. In fact, lets hope the negetives end here and the actual story and characterization is up to the mark. 

[Arttis]

THink of the people making the armor.

they would have to figure out what would work well for a woman...that would mean experimenting=more money.It easier to push out a regular shaped armor made for a mans chest.

They would simply make it the right size.

[InvisiShepard]

Chris Readman wrote...

Arttis wrote...

As I said before.
BIG breasts do not impact the story at all.
small breasts do not impact the story at all.

Yeah it doesn't, so why not just have more realistically medium sized women instead?

That way, both sides win; the women aren't insulted because now they don't have to play as Double-D Diana, and the men still have something to look at.

Because Bioware seems to have lowered their standards with both ME 2 & DA 2 and is all FANSERVICE!!!

[Cutlasskiwi]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Chris Readman wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Idiocy? Again with the insults. Calm down its just a game

Uhm, did I mention any names? Did you feel touched? 

In fact, some of the things you have said can be considered insulting, so go figure.

EDIT: And way to go ignoring the rest of the post.

Did i say you mentioned any names? Your need to make use of insults however makes me think you take this a little too serious. Immature, idiocy etc etc. Again. Just a game m8

You do realise that the subject isn't even anywhere close to the game anymore right?

I mean, you belong to the camp which has essentially reduced the identity of women to nothing but their boobs, which is frankly insulting.

No i do not see women as walking boobs. Im just tired of all these threads about boob envy. Yeah yeah deny it all you want but the signs are clearly there.
 
"BOOHOO she has big boobs she must be a pornstar or a **** BOHOOO. "

"Look at this masculine looking woman! she has no boobs and shes wearing armurrr LULULUL" "Totally proves my point LUL"

I would not call that a mature way to argue your point. Simply saying that it's a case of "boob envy" doesn't make it so... Especially when people keep saying that they're not envies they simply don't like what we've seen so far when it comes to the females..

[Arttis]

Chris Readman wrote...

Arttis wrote...

As I said before.
BIG breasts do not impact the story at all.
small breasts do not impact the story at all.

Yeah it doesn't, so why not just have more realistically medium sized women instead?

That way, both sides win; the women aren't insulted because now they don't have to play as Double-D Diana, and the men still have something to look at.

As I said before.
Thats the small tid bit of fan service.
Women who are insulted should not have this game change simply because of that.

[Theagg]

Faz432 wrote...

Theagg wrote...

You have not done your research very well. Try here, for starters.

http://www.larsdatte...en-in-armor.htm

Woemn did wear armor. That's a fact.

You obviously can't read very well, I said "how many"

Hey but I'd expect that from someone who thinks that modern women wearing period costume in amature events is an accurate reflection of the historical truth.

Also I'd like to put forward Corsets, these things were made with the specific reason of making the waste look tiny while accentuating the bosom so is that not realistic or accurate?

Ok smart guy. Point me to some real world period armour, plate armour for example, that features pronounced boobage. There is plenty of real armour out there, in musuems, as worn by women.

But to your point, those were painting and ilustrations, created hundred of years ago. So not of modern women in 'amateur' armour. Or is your contention that those artists were lying, and that in reality the armour they were wearing had boobage ?

Modifié par Theagg, 04 septembre 2010 - 12:40 .

[Arttis]

Depends how many females with huge breasts fought and were famous for it.

[Theagg]

Ps, I think I too shall leave this thread to the sexist trolls and their breast fantasies. Obviously they have their heads buried so deep in them that they cannot see.

[Chris Readman]

Arttis wrote...

Chris Readman wrote...

Arttis wrote...

As I said before.
BIG breasts do not impact the story at all.
small breasts do not impact the story at all.

Yeah it doesn't, so why not just have more realistically medium sized women instead?

That way, both sides win; the women aren't insulted because now they don't have to play as Double-D Diana, and the men still have something to look at.

As I said before.
Thats the small tid bit of fan service.
Women who are insulted should not have this game change simply because of that.

Maybe they don't have the right to expect the game to change over it, after all these things are probably not easy to change. But they do have a right to voice their opinions without being told that they're just being jealous of the big boobs, or have "boob envy" as it's been so lovingly put.

[Arttis]

Chris Readman wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Chris Readman wrote...

Arttis wrote...

As I said before.
BIG breasts do not impact the story at all.
small breasts do not impact the story at all.

Yeah it doesn't, so why not just have more realistically medium sized women instead?

That way, both sides win; the women aren't insulted because now they don't have to play as Double-D Diana, and the men still have something to look at.

As I said before.
Thats the small tid bit of fan service.
Women who are insulted should not have this game change simply because of that.

Maybe they don't have the right to expect the game to change over it, after all these things are probably not easy to change. But they do have a right to voice their opinions without being told that they're just being jealous of the big boobs, or have "boob envy" as it's been so lovingly put.

And you have the right to believe whatever you want....whats your point?

[Faz432]

Theagg wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Theagg wrote...

You have not done your research very well. Try here, for starters.

http://www.larsdatte...en-in-armor.htm

Woemn did wear armor. That's a fact.

You obviously can't read very well, I said "how many"

Hey but I'd expect that from someone who thinks that modern women wearing period costume in amature events is an accurate reflection of the historical truth.

Also I'd like to put forward Corsets, these things were made with the specific reason of making the waste look tiny while accentuating the bosom so is that not realistic or accurate?

Ok smart guy. Point me to some real world period armour, plate armour for example, that features pronounced boobage. There is plenty of real armour out there, in musuems, as worn by women.

But to your point, those were painting and ilustrations, created hundred of years ago. So not of modern women in 'amateur' armour. Or is your contention that those artists were lying, and that in reality the armour they were wearing had boobage ?

I was referring to your reinactments I thought that was obvious but with the paintings as pointed out with my Anne Boleyn example the artists of the past as with the ones of today will paint their subjects in a style that was popular at the time using a certain amount of artistic license.

Modifié par Faz432, 04 septembre 2010 - 12:48 .

[Chris Readman]

Arttis wrote...

And you have the right to believe whatever you want....whats your point?

My point is that your behavior is one contributing factors to putting female gamers off the internet.

Just dismissing their complaints as "boob envy" is just demeaning. Turn the chessboard around, it wouldn't be comfortable if you were told that men can only be identified by their privates, would you? Or would you like to play a game in which you're forced to play as a character with a big flopping donkey... you get my point. 

[Theagg]

Chris Readman wrote...

Arttis wrote...

As I said before.
BIG breasts do not impact the story at all.
small breasts do not impact the story at all.

Yeah it doesn't, so why not just have more realistically medium sized women instead?

That way, both sides win; the women aren't insulted because now they don't have to play as Double-D Diana, and the men still have something to look at.

Also his point seems to be that unrealistically BIG breasts are required to identify the character as female, rather than simply average sized breasts. ( and hasn't made any case why that should be so )

He kind of misses the point that the argument isn't that there should be no breasts at all.

[Arttis]

When did I dismiss their complaints as boob envy?

[Arttis]

Theagg wrote...

Chris Readman wrote...

Arttis wrote...

As I said before.
BIG breasts do not impact the story at all.
small breasts do not impact the story at all.

Yeah it doesn't, so why not just have more realistically medium sized women instead?

That way, both sides win; the women aren't insulted because now they don't have to play as Double-D Diana, and the men still have something to look at.

Also his point seems to be that unrealistically BIG breasts are required to identify the character as female, rather than simply average sized breasts. ( and hasn't made any case why that should be so )

He kind of misses the point that the argument isn't that there should be no breasts at all.

You must not be reading all my other posts....
Well I am not gonna give the same response a 3rd time so.....try taking away all the judgements you have made and think.