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[mellifera]

I just cannot grasp why it bothers people so much that others don't want their characters (who are fighters) to have muscles and not look like they stepped out of Playboy. They can still be idealized, but can we have a different ideal that isn't from the ******-book of a 15 year old boy?

[SDNcN]

Aristorum wrote...

I'm saying larger breasts aren't practical or plausible for a warrior, and their presense can suggest that this character might be a Mary Sue.

It is also not plausible to flip over enemies mid-combat (rogue ability for DA:2) or for a character to jump while wearing massive armors in Origins. Does that make the PCs in DA:O and DA:2 mary sues?

[SithLordExarKun]

Maverick827 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

[sic]

I mean this in the least inflammatory way possible, but those pictures are terrible.  I can barely see anything reliable due to the poor quality and mismatched positions.

Thats because you DONT want to be proven wrong.

[Anarya]

yukidama wrote...

I just cannot grasp why it bothers people so much that others don't want their characters (who are fighters) to have muscles and not look like they stepped out of Playboy. They can still be idealized, but can we have a different ideal that isn't from the ******-book of a 15 year old boy?

Don't you know, Yuki? We're spoiling all their fun and stealing their candy while we're at it. We are anti-fun(bags).<--couldn't resist. 

Modifié par Anarya, 04 septembre 2010 - 05:54 .

[TheMadCat]

SDNcN wrote...

Aristorum wrote...

I'm saying larger breasts aren't practical or plausible for a warrior, and their presense can suggest that this character might be a Mary Sue.

It is also not plausible to flip over enemies mid-combat (rogue ability for DA:2) or for a character to jump while wearing massive armors in Origins. Does that make the PCs in DA:O and DA:2 mary sues?

Actually it does.

[Onyx Jaguar]

"You know who else didn't like big boobs? HITLER!"

Sounds like something I would say

[Onyx Jaguar]

Anarya wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I just cannot grasp why it bothers people so much that others don't want their characters (who are fighters) to have muscles and not look like they stepped out of Playboy. They can still be idealized, but can we have a different ideal that isn't from the ******-book of a 15 year old boy?

Don't you know, Yuki? We're spoiling all their fun and stealing their candy while we're at it. We are anti-fun

True

[Maverick827]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

[sic]

I mean this in the least inflammatory way possible, but those pictures are terrible.  I can barely see anything reliable due to the poor quality and mismatched positions.

Thats because you DONT want to be proven wrong.

No, it's because I'm simply not wrong. 

Saibh has provided three images, of similar sizes, in remarkably similar positions.  You have provided three images, of varying sizes, in remarkably different positions.

Even still, proportionally, the type of body to which you would have to compare such a bust size would have to be something like this:

Modifié par Maverick827, 04 septembre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Deathispink]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

So you're basically saying, its OK for a fantasy to depict Men as large and as shredded as a champion bodybuilder despite the fact that in medival times, there wasn't proper nutrition nor the necessary drugs to stay and getTHAT shredded and at the same time big along.

But how is this "shredded"?

Concept Art:


Ingame:

Yes, look at concept art that does not display muscularity and then subsequently post a screenshot of him wearing an armor(No wonder competitive bodybuilders DONT wear clothes during a competition).




Firstly, the bodybuilder on the right(yes, i DO know who he is) sports 18-19 inch arms, secondly look at the "arm to head" ratio and compare that to hawkes, yes, like it or not, hawke DOES have massive arms.(The size is there, but the measurements are approximates)

Very releastic to have 18-19 inch arms in a medival setting where proper nutrition for bodybuilding doesnt exist eh? Along with having a very symmetrical physique that shows very good muscle seperation.




Yes, its releastic for men like hawke to sport 18 inch arms and subsuquently display great symmetry and muscle seperation where proper bodybuilding nutrition doesn't exist in such times.

I just had a somehat strange thought from looking at that picture of MHawke when compared to the one from the demo screen shot. Is it possible that they could be attempting something along the lines of Fable 2 in that your class helps to determine your appearance? The top photo is the beginnings of Hawke's story, the bottom comes from some unknown point, and he clearly looks older and more ripped. Perhaps, being a warrior gives you a more muscled physique as you progress, a rogue could be lithe and slimmer with leaner muscles, and a mage could be a bit softer...hmm.

[CrookedAsylum]

Maverick827 wrote...
No, it's because I'm simply not wrong. 

Saibh has provided three images, of similar sizes, in remarkably similar positions.  You have provided three images, of varying sizes, in remarkably different positions.

Even still, proportionally, the type of body to which you would have to compare such a bust size would have to be something like this:

(snipsnip)

I am all for this male equivalent.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I just had a somehat strange thought from looking at that picture of MHawke when compared to the one from the demo screen shot. Is it possible that they could be attempting something along the lines of Fable 2 in that your class helps to determine your appearance? The top photo is the beginnings of Hawke's story, the bottom comes from some unknown point, and he clearly looks older and more ripped. Perhaps, being a warrior gives you a more muscled physique as you progress, a rogue could be lithe and slimmer with leaner muscles, and a mage could be a bit softer...hmm.

And a female Mage would have giant boobs, a female rogue would have a slender figure, while a female warrior would have a lean and cut body

[Maverick827]

Deathispink wrote...

I just had a somehat strange thought from looking at that picture of MHawke when compared to the one from the demo screen shot. Is it possible that they could be attempting something along the lines of Fable 2 in that your class helps to determine your appearance? The top photo is the beginnings of Hawke's story, the bottom comes from some unknown point, and he clearly looks older and more ripped. Perhaps, being a warrior gives you a more muscled physique as you progress, a rogue could be lithe and slimmer with leaner muscles, and a mage could be a bit softer...hmm.

While this is an interesting observation, it appears as if the "normal" Hawke is using a two-handed sword, meaning he is more than likely a warrior.

[Ortaya Alevli]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Now why on earth do people think that Bioware needs to put in large breasts in order to make good game sales? Why not average sized breasts proportionate to the body? I highly doubt many people are going to complain that a C cup is too small.

Women do play this game, too. Many of us dislike the Pamela Anderson standard for every female character. In fact, many men do, too.

Well, I myself don't think BioWare needs to do that. I'm simply saying I wouldn't be surprised if BioWare, being commercial and all, went along with it.

[SithLordExarKun]

Maverick827 wrote...


No, it's because I'm simply not wrong. 

I sure love denial.

Maverick827 wrote...
Saibh has provided three images, of similar sizes, in remarkably similar positions.  You have provided three images, of varying sizes, in remarkably different positions.

  Which is why i told you to look at the "arm to head" ratio. Notice how wide the bodybuilders biceps are when compared to his head? Notice how it applies  to Hawke as well?  Notice how BOTH these guys display muscle sepration and muscle thickness?

Let me answer for you: no you don't. Because you don't want to be proven wrong and cant live with that.

Maverick827 wrote...
Even still, proportionally, the type of body to which you would have to compare such a bust size would have to be something like this:

Do you really think im an idiot? That picture was photoshopped.

[Riona45]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

And a female Mage would have giant boobs...

Why?

[Aristorum]

SDNcN wrote...

Aristorum wrote...

I'm saying larger breasts aren't practical or plausible for a warrior, and their presense can suggest that this character might be a Mary Sue.

It is also not plausible to flip over enemies mid-combat (rogue ability for DA:2) or for a character to jump while wearing massive armors in Origins. Does that make the PCs in DA:O and DA:2 mary sues?

I never said they were?
What I've been trying to say, and maybe I just haven't been saying it well enough, is that I want her physique to match the lifestyle she chose. Since Hawke actively takes part in combat, I'd expect her to be well muscled with average sized breasts. If her character model is slender with large breasts, it feels like she shouldn't even be able to lift a weapon. When she IS able to lift a weapon and do all those fancy flips and charges and still have that model body, I start to think she just has that body for the sake of eyecandy, and that's when I see that there was no tradeoff.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Riona45 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

And a female Mage would have giant boobs...

Why?

Lack of exercise

[Lord_Valandil]

filaminstrel wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

SDNcN wrote...

Aristorum wrote...

I'm saying larger breasts aren't practical or plausible for a warrior, and their presense can suggest that this character might be a Mary Sue.

It is also not plausible to flip over enemies mid-combat (rogue ability for DA:2) or for a character to jump while wearing massive armors in Origins. Does that make the PCs in DA:O and DA:2 mary sues?

Actually it does.

Like I said, it seems DA2 in general is taking a departure from realism. (or going in that direction at least)

Maybe because the story is told from Varric's point of view, and he exaggerates a little.

[Dave of Canada]

Deathispink wrote...

I just had a somehat strange thought from looking at that picture of MHawke when compared to the one from the demo screen shot. Is it possible that they could be attempting something along the lines of Fable 2 in that your class helps to determine your appearance? The top photo is the beginnings of Hawke's story, the bottom comes from some unknown point, and he clearly looks older and more ripped. Perhaps, being a warrior gives you a more muscled physique as you progress, a rogue could be lithe and slimmer with leaner muscles, and a mage could be a bit softer...hmm.

The above pictures are pictures of Hawke when they were more working out the kinks, you can see this when you compare both the models from exaggerated footage and such (also you can compare Bethany, her breast size was average in those screenies). Both pictures come from the start of the game itself (same demo).

[Maverick827]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Do you really think im an idiot?

Do you think you aren't? 

[Onyx Jaguar]

At least Flemeth still looks like an old lady

[SithLordExarKun]

Dave, respond to my post on page 8.

[Riona45]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

And a female Mage would have giant boobs...

Why?

Lack of exercise

A mage PC will NOT lack for exercise.  Neither would any mage that happened to be traveling with you.

And, there's no reason to assume Hawke lived a sedentary lifestyle even before the adventure.

Modifié par Riona45, 04 septembre 2010 - 06:03 .