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[Tazzmission]

javierabegazo wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

ME didn't sell well. I'm not saying that the Japanese have bad tastes in games, but Dynasty Warriors is a big deal in Japan while Mass Effect went unnoticed.

Lol, I'd go out of my way to call that bad taste.
But in seriousness, it seems Japan's video game market stops catering to audiences past the age of 20.  *Sad face* It's a shame because there's a lot of talent in artistry over there, alot of great story creators  but they're stuck in their old ways with their old consumer base.

the japanese rpg fanbase is waaay diffrent than ours. as much as i love mass effect 2 and al but i dont see any of the japanese rpg gamers take a crack at it because  i think it may not be there prefered style. ive played ff13 and honestly the franchise died after 7

[MisterDyslexo]

CARL_DF90 wrote...


As I was going through the release info for Mass Effect 2 something caught my eye. SO far there has been no release for the Japan territory. I was curious because Mass Effect 1 was released in Japan, so why not the follow up?

Because they're big stupid jellyfish!

[Sand King]

Alexine wrote...

Looking at it, it takes a while to get games ported to other regions. I mean, I knew the earliest Final Fantasy games didn't get ported to North America until two years later. In another case, Persona 3 (which is a brilliant game) did not get ported until another year. If porting games is just changing languages and code, you are wrong. There's a lot of work, such as getting a publisher, publisher rights, political issues, legal issues, marketing, etc, etc.

Even the Russian version of Mass Effect 1 didn't come out until this year. So I don't think the lack of a target market is the reason why Mass Effect 2 didn't come out in Japan.

I'm glad that I'm the not the only one who understands this.

[CARL_DF90]

Holy cow! Lots of responses to this one. Although there have been many differing views on the subject it did put some perspective on some things.

[cachx]

Mmm I was under the impression that ME1 did reasonably well, but then again, there are not enough 360's in Japan to make it a smash hit.

And they did got some kick-ass cover art.


Also, can't help but feel sad that so many posters missed the great JRPGs from the 16 and 32 bit eras.

[Alexine]

Tazzmission wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

ME didn't sell well. I'm not saying that the Japanese have bad tastes in games, but Dynasty Warriors is a big deal in Japan while Mass Effect went unnoticed.

Lol, I'd go out of my way to call that bad taste.
But in seriousness, it seems Japan's video game market stops catering to audiences past the age of 20.  *Sad face* It's a shame because there's a lot of talent in artistry over there, alot of great story creators  but they're stuck in their old ways with their old consumer base.

the japanese rpg fanbase is waaay diffrent than ours. as much as i love mass effect 2 and al but i dont see any of the japanese rpg gamers take a crack at it because  i think it may not be there prefered style. ive played ff13 and honestly the franchise died after 7

I'm going to poke a hornet's nest and say that could be applied to ME2 in many cases from ME1 as well, but that's another argument altogether.

On-topic: Some people got to understand that we all live in different cultures. Japanese cultural identity is much different to American cultural identity, despite the fact that both of them tries to take ideas from both sides and warp them to meld with their traditions. But there are always similarities despite that. I mean, the reviews for ME for Japanese seemed very much similar to people who liked ME1 (the translation would be butchered quite a bit)

Modifié par Alexine, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:24 .

[Tazzmission]

Alexine wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

ME didn't sell well. I'm not saying that the Japanese have bad tastes in games, but Dynasty Warriors is a big deal in Japan while Mass Effect went unnoticed.

Lol, I'd go out of my way to call that bad taste.
But in seriousness, it seems Japan's video game market stops catering to audiences past the age of 20.  *Sad face* It's a shame because there's a lot of talent in artistry over there, alot of great story creators  but they're stuck in their old ways with their old consumer base.

the japanese rpg fanbase is waaay diffrent than ours. as much as i love mass effect 2 and al but i dont see any of the japanese rpg gamers take a crack at it because  i think it may not be there prefered style. ive played ff13 and honestly the franchise died after 7

I'm going to poke a hornet's nest and say that could be applied to ME2 in many cases from ME1 as well, but that's another argument altogether.

 its easy to say that oh japan will buy into it but truth is look at how me2 got trashed basicly by alot of fans of the franchise, i mean if fans here in america say well me2 isnt a rpg than whos to say japanese gamers wont say the same? i agree with you that both american and japenese gamers are 2 very diffrent groups when it comes to gaming

[Beocat]

The licensing part is a good point, however, in general Japanese audiences are not too receptive to Western games. Many of the cultural points people have noted are part of that reason.



I think another big reason is that most Japanese RPGs are also turn-based. They have some action based games, but it is not mainstream when it comes to RPGs in that country. With this in mind, a game like Mass Effect, while easy for us to pick up, adjust to, and play, would have a steep learning curve for the average Japanese gamer, one that many I doubt are willing to go through in order to play an amazing game when they could just get an easier game for the same price. I think their ME community is likely made of the more hardcore gamers since most would not have the patience to learn how to play it.

[KenLyns]

The ME1 Japanese port came out a whole year after the NA release. The ME2 port may take even longer due to the greater amount of voice acting, if it gets ported at all. The Japanese tend to be ethnocentric and often shun non-Japanese products (with the iPod being a notable exception). How well is the X360 selling in Japan?

[LPPrince]

What's Japan? Is that how people in the hood say, "Your pan"?

[Alexine]

Beocat wrote...

I think another big reason is that most Japanese RPGs are also turn-based. They have some action based games, but it is not mainstream when it comes to RPGs in that country. With this in mind, a game like Mass Effect, while easy for us to pick up, adjust to, and play, would have a steep learning curve for the average Japanese gamer, one that many I doubt are willing to go through in order to play an amazing game when they could just get an easier game for the same price. I think their ME community is likely made of the more hardcore gamers since most would not have the patience to learn how to play it.

I agree that turn-based RPGs are more appealing to Asian masses due to liking strategy. But there are a few exceptions, such as MW2 which sold well in Japan (as it was published by SquareEnix in Japan) even if it's a bad example to use.

KenLyns wrote...

The ME1 Japanese port came out a whole year after the NA release. The ME2 port may take even longer due to the greater amount of voice acting, if it gets ported at all. The Japanese tend to be ethnocentric and often shun non-Japanese products (with the iPod being a notable exception). How well is the X360 selling in Japan?

Actually, it came out nearly two years after the NA release. And ME1 didn't get a voice re-dubbing, they just localised it (Japanese subs). And while I do agree to a point that Japan does shun non-Japanese products, I think another part is the how the industry works, in theory to protect its industry (but I don't believe so, since all the video game developers in Japan get paid rather badly). It doesn't just apply to video games, but also to other entertainment mediums as well. You rarely see any Western films in Japan, unless they are huge blockbusters in the US or have huge backing from strong Japanese film companies, such as Sony.

The xbox360 version of Mass Effect actually did pretty well in it's first week. 18 000 copies on first week (I'll find the article that says so...) It's pretty good, considering how PS3, PSPs and Nintendo DS dominate the market in consoles in Japan. I think the reason why Mass Effect 1 was released in Japan was to boost the xbox360 sales, which did, but only slightly.

Modifié par Alexine, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:26 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Question



Did they do anything in regards to Optimization for the Original ME 1 localization in Japan?

[xlavaina]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

xlavaina wrote...



Seconded. The Wii is a great example: its a joke and pretty much every game that comes out of Japan is designed to do one thing only: make money. They generate huge amounts of anticipation for absolute crap (like Wii Sports) and then pretty much take advantage of the extremely young or old (like 30+) gamers by selling them said crap.



JRPGs... I won't even go into that. Mass Effect 1 beats any Japanese RPG out to date.



I'm not a racist or anything, its just the truth. Honestly. I feel bad for those in Japan who actually appreciate ME2. Maybe it will be available online somehow.



EDIT: exception is the original Mario game. But thats not an rpg so whatever

You are talking crap right there. I won't go into the details and I certainly don't want this thread to get derailed into some fanboy flame war on what Console/Game is the better/worst, but you display a highly irrational sight on the Wii. As if XBox/PS2;3 and the PC don't have loads of said games either. You are enticing doublestandards right there.



Ontopic:

My original question still stands. What would cause a port for Japan to take so long?

Yeah yeah I was being a little harsh I'm sorry, you're right. I don't want to derail this either but I believe I should justify this post: what I meant was that in my experience in video games the Wii is the worst for the hardcore gamer and the one most likely to screw you for your money. Thats all. I guess I was a little overbearing though. I am also biased against the Wii, so don't take anything I say in this thread to heart.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Its got games if you look for them. Not any different from any other system.

[Katamariguy]

The funny thing is that the Korean version came with a free Korean manual and game guide.

[Esbatty]

The first time I bought Mass Effect 2 it was off a gaming site that assured me they sold the US version of games in addition to the international releases. Lo and behold they sent me the damn NTSC-J English Language Version. I was furious. I had to just break my cheapness streak and buy it off of Amazon... it was a 2 dollar difference but dammit... I'm am cheap bastard. Anywho totally got my money back from that other site. And I will never trust them again. Can't go wrong with Amazon.

[Schuback]

What's up with the big eyes, funny hair, and cartoonish reactions in JRPGs? Grow up, kids!

[Esbatty]

Schuback wrote...

What's up with the big eyes, funny hair, and cartoonish reactions in JRPGs? Grow up, kids!

I figure Jrpg character designs are like coloring books, whoever is going outside the lines thinks they're being "unique".

[KenLyns]

Alexine wrote...
Actually, it came out nearly two years after the NA release. And ME1 didn't get a voice re-dubbing, they just localised it (Japanese subs). 

Wait, what? Then the cost of localization is peanuts. There is no excuse for taking two damn years. 

[Destroy Raiden_]

Do you have any idea how many times I've asked that question? Why can't that kick ass Japanese game come over to America?

It's about time we got something exclusive to our region! The Japanese have so many uber cool games they don't release over here because they think” it won't sell well” then I have to buy a $1,000 import system just to play the game!

I mean Siren 1 was released here but Siren 2 was released everywhere even Europe but did they bring it here? NO I have to buy either a European ps2 or a Japanese ps2 inorder to play it and According to my friend in Germany she says it speaks British English to her!

So yeah I'm not loosing sleep over the fact Japan has to buy any other regions 360 just to play ME2 maybe they'll get the point and make all their games region free.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 05 septembre 2010 - 04:43 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I don't really think the Japanese are into sci-fi at all anyway, let alone ME.



I can see them liking DA, but not ME.

[MarchWaltz]

I like JRPGS.



Tales of Vesperia? JRPG.



One of the rare "next gen" games that allow 4 player coop on the same console.



Off topic though.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

There will likely be a Japanese Version of the PS3 Version of ME2, seeing as PS3 sells much better in Japan.

[Freakaz0idx]

If they put Samara and her blue cleavage being groped by the tentacles of a Hanar on the front cover of ME2, it might breaks sales in Japan.

Bioware don't you dare steal my idea.

Modifié par Freakaz0idx, 05 septembre 2010 - 07:13 .