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[xzxzxz701]

Hey guys, I was just playing Mass Effect 2 again today and I realized something, all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs.It is know that the Collectors were created by the Reapers when the Protheans fell, so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers? And if so, would this explain why the Reapers harvest organics, so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers? So, what are your thoughts on this? Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers, evil lady bug people?

Modifié par xzxzxz701, 04 septembre 2010 - 06:49 .

[Chim3ra]

Bugs = Best form of life.



Genetically of course,

[Ramgigon]

Bugs are easier to indoctrinate and breed into obedience, perhaps?

[Marzillius]

Bugs are super effective!



Other life forms are not very effective...

[Nightwriter]

Yes, I've noticed this. Theoretically, a hive or swarm mind would be the easiest to control. Indoctrinate the queen, indoctrinate the race, right?

[Randy1012]

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes, I've noticed this. Theoretically, a hive or swarm mind would be the easiest to control. Indoctrinate the queen, indoctrinate the race, right?

That's probably exactly how they indoctrinated the rachni.

Don't the Reapers have some sort of shared consciousness? The way they're described at times makes me think they do, though I could be wrong. If they do, that could also be part of the reason why they tend to have more success with other hive mind species.

[Nightwriter]

Yes, comments like "we are each a nation" do put one in mind of shared consciousness, but after ME2 I took it more as, each Reaper is an entire liquified race. That could be totally wrong, however.



It could be that insects are just the most useful, and the easiest to control in general. An insect horde is like an extremely efficient and productive mindless army doing your bidding.

[atheelogos]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Hey guys, I was just playing Mass Effect 2 again today and I realized something, all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs.It is know that the Collectors were created by the Reapers when the Protheans fell, so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers? And if so, would this explain why the Reapers harvest organics, so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers? So, what are your thoughts on this? Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers, evil lady bug people?

Wow ur way off.

"all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs." The Geth arn't bugs

" so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers?" The Keepers yes. This was confirmed in the first game, but the Rachni are not a mutated race. The Rachni did not go through the cycle.

"so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers?" No that is not what Reapers do to most species. The speculation is that they only did that to the protheans because they couldn't/weren't made into Reapers. The Reapers use organics to make them into Reapers not bugs. If you've beaten ME2 you'd know this.

"Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers" I wouldn't use the term evil. The Reapers don't consider what they do or themselves evil.

Modifié par atheelogos, 04 septembre 2010 - 10:05 .

[Shadow_broker]

Bugs are reallly gross

[xzxzxz701]

atheelogos wrote...

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Hey guys, I was just playing Mass Effect 2 again today and I realized something, all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs.It is know that the Collectors were created by the Reapers when the Protheans fell, so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers? And if so, would this explain why the Reapers harvest organics, so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers? So, what are your thoughts on this? Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers, evil lady bug people?

Wow ur way off.

"all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs." The arn't bugs

" so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers?" The Keepers yes. This was confirmed in the first game, but the Rachni are not a mutated race. The Rachni did not go through the cycle.

"so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers?" No that is not what Reapers do to most species. The speculation is that they only did that to the protheans because they couldn't/weren't made into Reapers. The Reapers use organics to make them into Reapers not bugs. If you've beaten ME2 you'd know this.

"Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers" I wouldn't use the term evil. The Reapers don't consider what they do or themselves evil.

What I am saying is pure speculation, but what you are saying is just speculation to. Nothing really is know about the Repears, so my idea is not that absurd. You don't know if the Racnhi have been mutated by the Reapers, hell it was even the Rachni queen who said that is was the Reapers who caused the Rachni wars by controling the Rachni queen. The Keepers, Collectors and Rachni are all based on some form of bug or insect, so your wrong about them not being related to bugs. Also, what I was saying about a mastermind race contoling the Reapers was just a joke. So if anybody is way off, it is you.

[didymos1120]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Hey guys, I was just playing Mass Effect 2 again today and I realized something, all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs.

Um, no.  Pretty much all races, period, have had contact with the Reapers.  It just tends to end in annihilation for ~99.9999999999% of 'em.  As far as the bug thing goes, I don't think it means a whole lot.  They were able to indoctrinate the unmodified, non-buglike Protheans just fine back in the day, and we know they can do so just as easily to Salarians, Turians, Humans and Asari. I assume Krogan too, though it was never directly confirmed that the ones we fought that were working for Saren/Sovereign were indoctrinated.

Sovereign also worked with the geth which, however idiosyncratic their consciousness is, aren't practitioners of Rachni-style, pseudo-hivemind eusociality.  Or, you know, even organic creatures at all. We also don't know that the Keepers were or are eusocial, and in any case, the Reapers don't directly control them anyway.  They just wander about of their own accord and maintain the Citadel. 

As to ex-Prothean Collectors, they're heavily modified with cybernetics, and it's those which allow the assumption of direct control.  They also don't reproduce or do any number of other things you'd expect of a normal species, mostly because they're not.  They're really just organic robots, and the Collector-General has more in common with an ethernet hub than with the royal caste of any eusocial species. And until control is assumed, the other Collectors operate more or less autonomously and simply follow spoken orders if a Harbinger happens to be present.  They're not all that bright, but they also aren't being constantly directed by psychic waves or whatever.

Lastly, there're are plenty of real life bugs that aren't eusocial.  The vast majority of them in actuality, so the mere fact of "buglikeness" doesn't really tell us anything about what sort of minds they might have.

Modifié par didymos1120, 04 septembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Bad King]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Hey guys, I was just playing Mass Effect 2 again today and I realized something, all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs.It is know that the Collectors were created by the Reapers when the Protheans fell, so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers? And if so, would this explain why the Reapers harvest organics, so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers? So, what are your thoughts on this? Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers, evil lady bug people?

Wow ur way off.

"all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs." The arn't bugs

" so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers?" The Keepers yes. This was confirmed in the first game, but the Rachni are not a mutated race. The Rachni did not go through the cycle.

"so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers?" No that is not what Reapers do to most species. The speculation is that they only did that to the protheans because they couldn't/weren't made into Reapers. The Reapers use organics to make them into Reapers not bugs. If you've beaten ME2 you'd know this.

"Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers" I wouldn't use the term evil. The Reapers don't consider what they do or themselves evil.

What I am saying is pure speculation, but what you are saying is just speculation to. Nothing really is know about the Repears, so my idea is not that absurd. You don't know if the Racnhi have been mutated by the Reapers, hell it was even the Rachni queen who said that is was the Reapers who caused the Rachni wars by controling the Rachni queen. The Keepers, Collectors and Rachni are all based on some form of bug or insect, so your wrong about them not being related to bugs. Also, what I was saying about a mastermind race contoling the Reapers was just a joke. So if anybody is way off, it is you.

About the Rachni- it is unlikely that they were created/mutated by reapers. Compare them with the collectors and keepers for example. The collectors are mindless slaves who have been indoctrinated for so long, their intelligence had diminished and had to be replaced by cybernetic implants. The Keepers also seem to lack any mind of their own or any will of their own.

However the Rachni appear to be a highly intelligent species- the queen speeks to you and seems to have her own personality and will- she isn't a mindless slave like the collectors are, it would appear that the rachni were merely indoctrinated- not engineered by the reapers.

[atheelogos]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Hey guys, I was just playing Mass Effect 2 again today and I realized something, all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs.It is know that the Collectors were created by the Reapers when the Protheans fell, so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers? And if so, would this explain why the Reapers harvest organics, so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers? So, what are your thoughts on this? Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers, evil lady bug people?

Wow ur way off.

"all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs." The arn't bugs

" so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers?" The Keepers yes. This was confirmed in the first game, but the Rachni are not a mutated race. The Rachni did not go through the cycle.

"so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers?" No that is not what Reapers do to most species. The speculation is that they only did that to the protheans because they couldn't/weren't made into Reapers. The Reapers use organics to make them into Reapers not bugs. If you've beaten ME2 you'd know this.

"Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers" I wouldn't use the term evil. The Reapers don't consider what they do or themselves evil.

What I am saying is pure speculation, but what you are saying is just speculation to. Nothing really is know about the Repears, so my idea is not that absurd. You don't know if the Racnhi have been mutated by the Reapers, hell it was even the Rachni queen who said that is was the Reapers who caused the Rachni wars by controling the Rachni queen. The Keepers, Collectors and Rachni are all based on some form of bug or insect, so your wrong about them not being related to bugs. Also, what I was saying about a mastermind race contoling the Reapers was just a joke. So if anybody is way off, it is you.

"The Keepers, Collectors and Rachni are all based on some form of bug or
insect, so your wrong about them not being related to bugs."
No my bad I left a word out there.

Here's what I meant. You said " all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs." I meant to say The Geth aren't bugs. And I mention them because they've had contact with the Reapers.

"Also, what I was saying about a mastermind race contoling the Reapers was just a joke." lol strange that was the part I took most seriously. I have a feeling there could be another race out there that works with ther Reapers. You may have been joking but I wasn't. That's why I corrected you.

Also when you said," so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the
Reapers?" I comented on this because of the way you framed it. Mentioning Keepers and Rachni in the way you did made it look like you were suggesting their level of mutation was the same or similiar. In all probababilty the Keepers where changed in ways similiar to the Collectors. By that I mean their entire race was repurposed for certain goals. On the other hand the Rachni were only indoctrinated. There isn't any evidence to say it was anything more than that.

[atheelogos]

Bad King wrote...

xzxzxz701 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Hey guys, I was just playing Mass Effect 2 again today and I realized something, all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs.It is know that the Collectors were created by the Reapers when the Protheans fell, so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers? And if so, would this explain why the Reapers harvest organics, so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers? So, what are your thoughts on this? Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers, evil lady bug people?

Wow ur way off.

"all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs." The arn't bugs

" so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers?" The Keepers yes. This was confirmed in the first game, but the Rachni are not a mutated race. The Rachni did not go through the cycle.

"so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers?" No that is not what Reapers do to most species. The speculation is that they only did that to the protheans because they couldn't/weren't made into Reapers. The Reapers use organics to make them into Reapers not bugs. If you've beaten ME2 you'd know this.

"Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers" I wouldn't use the term evil. The Reapers don't consider what they do or themselves evil.

What I am saying is pure speculation, but what you are saying is just speculation to. Nothing really is know about the Repears, so my idea is not that absurd. You don't know if the Racnhi have been mutated by the Reapers, hell it was even the Rachni queen who said that is was the Reapers who caused the Rachni wars by controling the Rachni queen. The Keepers, Collectors and Rachni are all based on some form of bug or insect, so your wrong about them not being related to bugs. Also, what I was saying about a mastermind race contoling the Reapers was just a joke. So if anybody is way off, it is you.

About the Rachni- it is unlikely that they were created/mutated by reapers. Compare them with the collectors and keepers for example. The collectors are mindless slaves who have been indoctrinated for so long, their intelligence had diminished and had to be replaced by cybernetic implants. The Keepers also seem to lack any mind of their own or any will of their own.

However the Rachni appear to be a highly intelligent species- the queen speeks to you and seems to have her own personality and will- she isn't a mindless slave like the collectors are, it would appear that the rachni were merely indoctrinated- not engineered by the reapers.

damn beat me to it.

[Nightwriter]

atheelogos wrote...

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Hey guys, I was just playing Mass Effect 2 again today and I realized something, all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs.It is know that the Collectors were created by the Reapers when the Protheans fell, so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers? And if so, would this explain why the Reapers harvest organics, so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers? So, what are your thoughts on this? Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers, evil lady bug people?

Wow ur way off.

"all races that have had some form of contact with the Reapers are bugs." The Geth arn't bugs

" so could the Keepers and Rachni just be mutated races that fell to the Reapers?" The Keepers yes. This was confirmed in the first game, but the Rachni are not a mutated race. The Rachni did not go through the cycle.

"so they can make them into a bug race that will serve the Reapers?" No that is not what Reapers do to most species. The speculation is that they only did that to the protheans because they couldn't/weren't made into Reapers. The Reapers use organics to make them into Reapers not bugs. If you've beaten ME2 you'd know this.

"Could this eventually lead to the evil mastermind race the controls the Reapers" I wouldn't use the term evil. The Reapers don't consider what they do or themselves evil.

Pretty sure the OP is referring to organic races which were forced into long term servitude. If so, yes, OP's theory has weight. All species which were repurposed for a specific goal seem to be insectoid.

It was never confirmed in ME1 that the Reapers were a mutated race that fell to the Reapers, just that they might have been the very first race that fell. We have no idea if they were mutated or if they always looked like bugs.

Clearly the Reapers don't Reaper-fy all species, but we really have no data to suggest that they only mutate races which fail Reaper-fication. For instance the Citadel would always have needed a technician keeper race.