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[Ayanko]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

Sisters? If you don't know your Disney then Ladies and Gentlemen I like to introduce you to maleficent, the darkest Disney Char created. Whose Also a Witch and a shapeshifter, she also likes talking to strange mirrors.

I was going to post this example some time ago but thought better of it.

I think it looks just like her.

Nah, new flemeth is a mix between malificent and the evil step mother. Except kinda hot in the "I'm going to lose my man parts trying to have sex with her but worth it" way.

Probably the best comment ive seen today.

[Riona45]

ninja0809 wrote...

Flemeth > Archdemon

Being an actual character instead of just a monster tends to help with that.

[Lord_Valandil]

I think that we haven't seen anything. Pretty sure that Flemeth won't die in DA2.

[Count Viceroy]

I doubt she can die at all, Regardless, I don't think she's motivated by malice or power, that'd be too simple.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I doubt she can die at all, Regardless, I don't think she's motivated by malice or power, that'd be too simple.

Hmmm...Yes, I agree. She doesn't seek power.
I wonder what's her real form, I really doubt that she really looks like an old lady.

[xxxestaxxx]

Abit of what I posted before on my thoughts of Flemeth.



As for Flemeth's intentions, to me it's simple. The same goals she's had since she started down the path she's on so long ago. Power and Revenge. She seems to me to have the power part down pretty well. As for revenge, in my opinion, when you have the need of revenge, it's because of a great loss in some form or another. Revenge is a substitute for that hole left in someone from that loss, but it will never ever be filled. Like the Keeper in the Dalish quest ( his name escapes me, Zathrian I believe) his hurt was so great, that no matter what he did to fill the void through revenge, he never felt at peace (or does depending on your actions) and he is willing to go through great lengths to achieve his revenge, even sacrificing his own clan members in a round about way. Flemeth seems to me to be some one who is way past the point of peace, and revenge is all she knows. She states that she is at odds with what the world has done to her, and over her life time, it could've been a great number of things. So maybe Flemeth wants to finally make her move again. Rally her daughters and any who will join her cause. Not to free the mages from the chantry's power, not to conquer land and such (though it'd feed into her power to do so) but for pure revenge. To bring a hurt to the world like she's suffered. Thats just my thought.



The biggest game changer in my mind is Morrigan. She's obviously going to be a huge factor to Flemeth, more so than our Warden as shown by her story being almost guaranteed to continue compared to our Warden's who ends with Witch Hunt (I'm still unsure of how to feel about that) She is a complex creature like her mother, but not driven by revenge like Flemeth, though she strives for power. I believe her biggest goals as I see them are power and freedom. As a child, Morrigan always strove to explore and see the world for all it had to offer, but was always stopped short via fear, Flemeth, homesickness etc. Morrigan hasn't had the long life to experience all the negative aspects of life like Flemeth, and that brings to Morrigan a surprising amount of unhinted innocence for lack of a better way to put it. But like Flemeth, Morrigan values power, maybe because she needs it to achieve the freedom she's wanting? But Morrigan leaves so much unsaid and is extremely capable of manipulating others to achieve her goals. Who knows if she truly cared for our wardens, friendship or more that made that choice, maybe it was a front from the beginning to outmaneuver Flemeth? Maybe she truly did care, and that is the reason she warns you never to follow her after the Ritual, if players chose that path. The only absolute thing in my mind about Morrigan is the dark ritual. She wanted the Old God's soul, Flemeth's orders or no, and that was her sole purpose to be with the Warden. But again, because of player choice, the OGB plays a very, very tricky role in the DA universe. It could be nonexistent, or it could be a huge role player in Thedas history and everywhere in between. To me, Morrigan brings more questions than Flemeth.

[Ayanko]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I doubt she can die at all, Regardless, I don't think she's motivated by malice or power, that'd be too simple.

Then what the "Good of Humanity"? She wants something for her own gain. She's pretty much the player in a giant chess game and were just the pieces.

[Count Viceroy]

Ayanko wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

I doubt she can die at all, Regardless, I don't think she's motivated by malice or power, that'd be too simple.

Then what the "Good of Humanity"? She wants something for her own gain. She's pretty much the player in a giant chess game and were just the pieces.

I meant power in the sense that she doesn't aim to rule over people and land like a tyrant. Obviously she has her motives, and if my theory is correct and she's merged with one of the old gods, then who knows what motivates those things, destruction of the chantry could be a possibility.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:15 .

[ErichHartmann]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I doubt she can die at all, Regardless, I don't think she's motivated by malice or power, that'd be too simple.

I don't know.  I will be very disappointed if the writers decide Flemeth can't be destroyed.  I would hate to see her pop up in every DA they have planned.   

[Ayanko]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

I doubt she can die at all, Regardless, I don't think she's motivated by malice or power, that'd be too simple.

Then what the "Good of Humanity"? She wants something for her own gain. She's pretty much the player in a giant chess game and were just the pieces.

I meant power in the sense that she doesn't aim to rule over people and land like a tyrant. Obviously she has her motives, and if my theory is correct and she's merged with one of the old gods, then who knows what motivates those things, destruction of the chantry could be a possibility.

I pretty much believe that she's the old god Dumat, or part of her (Old gods are female). But the whole destorying the chantry? Thats pretty much Morrigan. Not destroying the whole of  the chantry but just the white devine. So the imperial chantry can take over, which to me sounds the better of the two.

[Count Viceroy]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

I doubt she can die at all, Regardless, I don't think she's motivated by malice or power, that'd be too simple.

I don't know.  I will be very disappointed if the writers decide Flemeth can't be destroyed.  I would hate to see her pop up in every DA they have planned.   

If she's indeed merged with an old god, simply having a warden killing her obviously didn't work. I truly doubt they'd make her immortal, but it'd probably involve a lot of work involving more than just vanquish her host form.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:23 .

[Count Viceroy]

Ayanko wrote...

I pretty much believe that she's the old god Dumat, or part of her (Old gods are female). But the whole destorying the chantry? Thats pretty much Morrigan. Not destroying the whole of  the chantry but just the white devine. So the imperial chantry can take over, which to me sounds the better of the two.

Well, before the chantry, the old gods were revered as ... well gods, if she's one, it'd make sense to want to return to that no? 

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:21 .

[Ayanko]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

I pretty much believe that she's the old god Dumat, or part of her (Old gods are female). But the whole destorying the chantry? Thats pretty much Morrigan. Not destroying the whole of  the chantry but just the white devine. So the imperial chantry can take over, which to me sounds the better of the two.

Well, before the chantry, the old gods were revered as ... well gods, if she's one, it'd make sense to want to return to that no? 

Well she did mention that if you romanced her what she planned to do with the child, Me? I Think she's already copied the infants soul and become an old god herself just like her mother may or may not have done herself. But after that, wouldn't that mean the child has served it's purpose? This is where the warden comes in, he/she vanishes for years but by looking at the epiloges and what we've been told from DG we can presume he/she is alive location unknown, where? Raising God baby. Also DG mentioned something about DA:O charecters will bring up the warden, could be talking about what he's did or maybe asking hawke if he knows his location.

[Count Viceroy]

See, this is why I can't wait for Witch hunt, there's so many possibilites...

[Ayanko]

Count Viceroy wrote...

See, this is why I can't wait for Witch hunt, there's so many possibilites...

Personally I want the child, So I can raise it away from Anora (Wardens wife) But I digress. FLEMETH IS

[thegreateski]

She's a body stealer! Of course she's evil. All she's missing is a top hat and mustache.

Modifié par thegreateski, 05 septembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[Ayanko]

thegreateski wrote...


She's a body stealer! Of course she's evil. All she's missing is a top hat and mustache.

Indeed she would look amazing in a tophat, but seriously if I Am right i'm just going to stroll in here with a grin on my face looking smug.

[finnugold]

Ayanko wrote...

I pretty much believe that she's the old god Dumat, or part of her (Old gods are female). But the whole destorying the chantry? Thats pretty much Morrigan. Not destroying the whole of  the chantry but just the white devine. So the imperial chantry can take over, which to me sounds the better of the two.

Where'd you see this? Yes, Old Gods resemble High Dragons and all High Dragons are female, but it's make pretty clear throughout the game that no-one knows if Old Gods really are dragons.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

Since there is no universal system of morality in Theldas, could we argue that there is no OOC/objective evil in Theldas ? In that case, there is simply no point arguing if a character was evil.
To illustrate the point: there is no clear system of morality for microbes. Therefore we couldn't say certain species of fungus was evil was evil.

Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 05 septembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[UberDuber]

I think she is an old god, free of the taint (like the old god baby)



Prove me wrong!

[Pritos]

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Since there is no universal system of morality in Theldas, could we argue that there is no OOC/objective evil in Theldas ? In that case, there is simply no point arguing if a character was evil.
To illustrate the point: there is no clear system of morality for microbes. Therefore we couldn't say certain species of fungus was evil was evil.

Is it even possible to classify an unthinking being as good or evil like if it had a choice on his actions?

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

UberDuber wrote...

I think she is an old god, free of the taint (like the old god baby)

Prove me wrong!

But I agree with you. wouldn't proving you wrong make me a hypocrite? 

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

Pritos wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Since there is no universal system of morality in Theldas, could we argue that there is no OOC/objective evil in Theldas ? In that case, there is simply no point arguing if a character was evil.
To illustrate the point: there is no clear system of morality for microbes. Therefore we couldn't say certain species of fungus was evil was evil.

Is it even possible to classify an unthinking being as good or evil like if it had a choice on his actions?

My point exactly. To classify something, there must exist a system of measurement. Such a system does not exist in Theldas, therefore Characters in DA cannot be any more good or evil then bags of potatoes.

Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 05 septembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[finnugold]

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Pritos wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Since there is no universal system of morality in Theldas, could we argue that there is no OOC/objective evil in Theldas ? In that case, there is simply no point arguing if a character was evil.
To illustrate the point: there is no clear system of morality for microbes. Therefore we couldn't say certain species of fungus was evil was evil.

Is it even possible to classify an unthinking being as good or evil like if it had a choice on his actions?

My point exactly. To classify something, there must exist a system of measurement. Such a system does not exist in Theldas, therefore Characters in DA cannot be any more good or evil then bags of potatoes.

There's no game mechanic for measuring good or evil. That doesn't mean Thedas has standards of "good" and "evil"...
In fact, people in DAO frequently refer to "evil" so I think your point is moot.
And regardless, we're attempting to judge Flemeth by OUR standards of good and evil.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

I think people are judging DAO characters with player's own standard of morality.

Which may or may not be applicable to that world. It's very dangerous to assume parallel between us and things that we observe, even if they are superficially similar.

Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 05 septembre 2010 - 02:43 .