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[Vaalyah]

No, I had NWN with a normal edition as soon as it came into shops. :-( (of course, as for NWN2, I have to wait a looooooooooooong time before being able to play, due to hardware limitations!)

[Banshe]

You could probably buy the Diamond edition for very cheap now.

[Vaalyah]

But I don't think it is available in Italy. The problem is just that: buying computer games is each day more difficult. You can find game for PS, Xbox, Wii... but for the computer... And I can't buy it from digital delivery since my internet connection doesn't work well :-(

[Aathis]

@ dunniteowl 5* moderating.

[Banshe]

It is available in the UK and the US via Amazon. Do you know someone there who could buy it for you? A family member or a friend?

[Adam024]

I really enjoy both games. I particularly like Mask of the Betrayer and Hoardes of the Underdark. They have awesome plots and I am a fan of high level characters. Big fan of Vix'Ra!

[unclejoe1917]

@Valyaah-I think that the NPCs in the OC of NWN are better developed and that you get more closure with them. I noticed in NWN2 that once you got to a certain point, there were no more new dialogue options. Like I think I said before, I just didn't become attached to any of the NPCs in NWN2. By the time I had finished NWN, I felt like Tomi Undergallows was my best friend and that the conversation right before fighting Morag brought nice closure to our friendship. Aribeth is easily the most loved NPC from either versions of this game. Wait until you get to chapter 3 of Hordes of the Underdark, you will love that module. Believe me.

[Vaalyah]

@Banshe: errrr... no! I hope I could go to London for a week, in November, but I am not sure I could! However, is there any site that actually sells it?



@ Adam: I am playing HotU in these days... but I am a bit perplexed



SPOILER

everyone says it has a wonderful plot, but for now, chapter 1, in Undermountain, has been totally boring. Chapter 2... just enter each area, kill a lot of things, collect a lot of items (as in the chapter 1, first the bars to move the column, then the chains...) and change area...

Please, tell me that chapter 3 is far less boring that the previous ones!

END SPOILER



@UncleJoe: I played the OC with Tomi too, but I found awkward the fact that he would speak to my PC about himself only if the PC levels up. Plus, there isn't any "dialogue". He simply explains his story.

Instead, in NWN2, as soon as I met Kelgar, I immediately felt like he was an old friends of mine. You know, strange, a bit crazy, funny and amusing, but someone with whom you can always feel yourself. Is it clear? o_O I hope! :-D



Instead, in spite of everyone's opinion... I HATE ARIBETH! I can't stand her, she is so... useless! Should I feel pity for her? Not at all. I cannot prevent myself from thinking she has been stupid. From my PC point of view, Aribeth is a sort of stupid woman who has throw away all her life and rejected herself.

No, really, it is over my possibilities not to feel disgust for her... A bit strong, for a feeling? Well, I suppose a good game HAS to create in the player strong feelings! ;-)



However, you have convinced me: now I can't wait to see chapter 3 :-)

[Shallina]

you can buy a box from amazone, or from atari for NWN2.



Lastest NWN2 patch removed the CD check. NWN2 fully patched play without CD. And the game got a lot of improvement from patching, really a lot. And there is a lot of patch to download.

[Banshe]

Shallina wrote...

you can buy a box from amazone, or from atari for NWN2.

Lastest NWN2 patch removed the CD check. NWN2 fully patched play without CD. And the game got a lot of improvement from patching, really a lot. And there is a lot of patch to download.

Amazon has it (NWN1 Diamond) in both the UK and USA. However, they won't send it to Italy if the seller is a third party vendor. They will only deliver it in the USA and UK.

Isn't there an Italian amazon yet?

[Vaalyah]

Of course not. We are a sort of black sheep for the internet subject '

[Banshe]

Ahh,, I see. Well perhaps some UK people can recommend some game retailers that ship to Italy.

[unclejoe1917]

Vaalyah wrote...

@Banshe: errrr... no! I hope I could go to London for a week, in November, but I am not sure I could! However, is there any site that actually sells it?

@ Adam: I am playing HotU in these days... but I am a bit perplexed

SPOILER
everyone says it has a wonderful plot, but for now, chapter 1, in Undermountain, has been totally boring. Chapter 2... just enter each area, kill a lot of things, collect a lot of items (as in the chapter 1, first the bars to move the column, then the chains...) and change area...
Please, tell me that chapter 3 is far less boring that the previous ones!
END SPOILER

@UncleJoe: I played the OC with Tomi too, but I found awkward the fact that he would speak to my PC about himself only if the PC levels up. Plus, there isn't any "dialogue". He simply explains his story.
Instead, in NWN2, as soon as I met Kelgar, I immediately felt like he was an old friends of mine. You know, strange, a bit crazy, funny and amusing, but someone with whom you can always feel yourself. Is it clear? o_O I hope! :-D

Instead, in spite of everyone's opinion... I HATE ARIBETH! I can't stand her, she is so... useless! Should I feel pity for her? Not at all. I cannot prevent myself from thinking she has been stupid. From my PC point of view, Aribeth is a sort of stupid woman who has throw away all her life and rejected herself.
No, really, it is over my possibilities not to feel disgust for her... A bit strong, for a feeling? Well, I suppose a good game HAS to create in the player strong feelings! ;-)

However, you have convinced me: now I can't wait to see chapter 3 :-)

OH THE BLASPHEME VAALYAH!!!!  To say you hate Aribeth???  You have just turned a whole game's fanbase against you.  LOL!!!  No, that is awesome and you are right.  If a game makes you feel strongly about a character, it is doing its job.  You actually make a good point about her also. 
I liked that it took a while to get to know Tomi Undergallows and that up to the very last battle there was still a little bit of fresh dialogue to share with him.  The reason that you can only speak after levelling up is that the game wants to pace the advancement of your relationship.  It doesn't really make sense, but in video game world, it works I suppose. 
I know exactly what you mean about Hordes of the Underdark.  The first time I played it, I often felt like I was walking around killing things for reasons that I weren't even sure of.  I urge you to keep playing it though.  I didn't even like it at first.  Now it is my favorite module and the only one that I can play over and over.  In chapter three, there are things that still won't make sense at first, but there is something about the way the story finally comes full circle that really struck a chord with me.  If you finish it and still don't like it, I recommend going back and playing it again.  Really, Vaalyah, it's that good.  From reading your posts, it seems like we might have somewhat similar preferences in games and if I am right about that, then you will almost surely like HofU. 
Anyway, this post is starting to border on wrong-forumness. 
One thing I will say in NWN2's favor is that I LOVE having the subraces and more class options.  Then again, they messed that up by putting the ceiling at level 30.  I actually get more pleasure out of spending time making level 18 characters for MotB and getting in a couple fights and then quitting than I do out of playing the games through.  I guess I just like getting to sample all the race and class options more than I like the storylines.  I am always thinking things like, "If only I could take my yuan-ti stormlord through HotU"

[The Fred]

Vaalyah wrote...
@ Adam: I am playing HotU in these days... but I am a bit perplexed

SPOILER
everyone says it has a wonderful plot, but for now, chapter 1, in Undermountain, has been totally boring. Chapter 2... just enter each area, kill a lot of things, collect a lot of items (as in the chapter 1, first the bars to move the column, then the chains...) and change area...
Please, tell me that chapter 3 is far less boring that the previous ones!
END SPOILER

Personally, I found HotU kinda similar. Chapter 1 got boring quickly. Chapter 2 was kinda cool, but a lot of crazy hack 'n' slash. Some nice features, though. Chapter 3 was different. A lot less hack 'n' slash. Personally I felt it lacked a lot of polish, though. Also there's one point where if you go on, you can go back, and because my dodgy character build and poor choice of henchmen (for some reason it didn't pull Deekin through with me) meant I couldn't do a certain rather overpowered fight, I was basically stuck. Not that there's anywhere really to get more XP even if you could get back.

Vaalyah wrote...
Instead, in spite of everyone's opinion... I HATE ARIBETH! I can't stand her, she is so... useless! Should I feel pity for her? Not at all. I cannot prevent myself from thinking she has been stupid. From my PC point of view, Aribeth is a sort of stupid woman who has throw away all her life and rejected herself.

It's true that Aribeth never seemed to do anything in the first couple of chapters, then suddenly made a radical spoilery decision (which I'm guessing most people know, but this IS meant to be a no spoilers forum, and some people get picky about that). I think there was cut stuff which would have given a bit more substance to the story, though. Unfortunately it wasn't really develloped as much as it could have been.

[Shallina]

yup I don't know how you can find NWN NPC better than NWN2 one. That warlock is really cool in the OC for exemple, the dwarf and the thieve are very classic. The wizard is just super cool as well

And NWN2 MOTB compagnion are on a whole new level.

One of many, Dove and that hagspawn are awesome. And the one you think is normal is the crepyest of them all when you know the whole story. NWN can't compare at all in that department.

It's one of the main point beetwen NWN2 and NWN1. NWN1 is based around the main char only while NWN2 is party based with compagnion.

it's 2 differents approach with + and - for each. And the better system only depend on your taste for gaming.


Now when you are creating a mod for that aspect NWN2 is 10 time superior to NWN1. With NWN1 full party is impossible. With NWN2 you can do both. Something with only the PC or something with a party. NWN2 is powerfull enought to give you the choice beetween the 2 while NWN1 can't.

Modifié par Shallina, 17 septembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[The Fred]

The OC NWN2 companions aren't actually that awesome imo. They get better introductions and a bit more inital backstory, and their personalities are great, but the standard conversations with them are a bit meagre - no better than the NWN1 ones, really, and in fact sometimes worse (like being able to ask Elanee if she was responsible for the badger, repeatedly, and in Chapter 3...). Personally, I think there's a lot more that could be done in this field, but of course it's a lot of hard work and I guess the devs have to prioritise a bit.

Also, while I love being able to control my whole party, that feature is far from synonymous with good character writing. For example, full party control is one of the things I missed most from BG when playing NWN1, but the characters in BG had pretty much no conversations at all after you recruited them. If anything, your characters make more sense as individuals when you *can't* control them.

Unfortunately, actual henchmen (i.e. ones you can't control) are apparently bugged in NWN2, they cause crashes.

Modifié par The Fred, 17 septembre 2010 - 06:27 .

[Vaalyah]

@UncleJoe: I knew someone would have said that! :-D

Oh, don't be angry, I simply don't like her (that a reason why I hate that she is almost the only female avatar on this site) plus, being a female, I can do my saving throw against her beauty without problems! :-P

Don't worry, I am going to finish HotU, as soon as I can! Also because I can't do anything else till my gpu has not come back from the shop (broken under warranty, so I have to wait CENTURIES to have back a new gpu)



I noticed I am stuck to a single character type. Or better, a single character! I put in all the D&D related game, my P&P character, because I perfectly know her, and I can "feel and think" as her. This thing provides to me more realism while approaching the game.

In fact, I just got my DA:O (today is my birthday, it was a gift) and I am confused because I don't know which kind of character I should create! :-D



@ The Fred: the most important NPC in NWN are Aribeth and Ariin (wrong spelling I suppose). Both of them, seem just there to give you quests and tell you their more or less pitiful story. From my point of view, they aren't round characters.

I mean, looking to NWN2 NPCs, there is Grobnar who is completely crazy (and sometimes you just ask yourself if it's stupid too ' ), Qara that behaves like a childish girl, Sand and all his sarcasm, Casavir who seems so worried about doing too much or too less or too wrong, Bishop who hates everyone and everything, Kelgar just looking for a fight, etc.

Characters have their own strong personality, while in NWN you just see two people (Aribeth and Ariin) who are just there, standing in front of you and telling their story.



I cannot sense feelings behind their words or their actions and this is my problem with them.



@ Shallina: "NWN1 is based around the main char only while NWN2 is party based with compagnion. " perfect! And I can say that this is the main reason because I love NWN2 and I don't like NWN1!



@ The Fred: I think too that NWN2 companions are not perfect... but I also like the idea of modding the OC, and this is the reason why lately I am study so hard toolset and scripting :-D

[The Fred]

The NWN1 henchmen also had a fair deal of personality, the humorous Tomi, the creepy Grimnaw, Daelin who was a bit of an outsider, clumsy but friendly Linu, even Sharwyn and Boddyknock had character. It was just that they hadn't really invented interjections or anything then, so your henchmen really were just henchmen, and only spoke to you when you spoke to them. Once you realised their story was based on levels, too, it lost the immersion.



HOWEVER, while there were some good character concepts in NWN2, like Khelgar in particular, I don't think it's fair to say that NWN1's concepts were much worse, and though the guys in NWN2 actually speak a bit when things happen, the conversations you initiate with them are still pretty "henchmanny" (if that's a word). I mean, yeah, the overall effect *was* better in NWN2, but when you look at it, it was really just that they used some interjections (which they already had by Shadows of Undrentide) and anything else is just personal preference over who you liked best (Khelgar for example *is* a favourite - personally, though, I found Casavir a little "un-fleshed-out" (or "lame", you could say) and Qara really annoying - though I suppose it's argueable that that's still good character writing).

[Lugaid of the Red Stripes]

OEI should've made Deekin into a companion for the NWN2 OC, or at least into a major. In fact, maybe they should've just had the whole plot revolve around Deekin, and his sidekick the Knight Captain. It's just that the jumping kobolds of SOU were the highpoint of the whole series, it's all been downhill since then.

[unclejoe1917]

Ugh, I can't believe I am saying this, but I played HotU today. It was the first time I played a NWN game in about 8 months and I actually missed the screwy camera controls of NWN2. I feel dirty.

[Vaalyah]

:-D :-D :-D

UncleJoe, you made my day!



I would have liked Deekin not as companion in NWN2, but maybe more involved in the game, like a side quest or something like that. Please, in case there is a side quest with Deekin, don't tell me! I haven't finished the OC yet.

[The Fred]

Also it seems crazy that Deekin not only went from being a funny but kind of useless kobold into being an awesome, (literally) epic, fire-breathing half-dragon monster of destruction (on my sister's game, he fought the old blue dragon in Undermountain *by himself* with tiny short swords while she and Daelen were cowering with fear) but then *back* into a fairly unexciting merchant dude. I do miss Deekin, though, I feel he should have been the hero. Maybe next time *you* can get captured and Deekin can rescue you.

[Vaalyah]

@ Sieben: of thank you, it's very kind from you! ^^

I was a bit unsure too about DA:O (about 80% of my videogames are actually birthday presents so... :-P sure, I have wonderful friends! :-D ) however, I hope that the story would be nice, I don't pretend wonderful as NWN2 (in my opinion), but at least enjoyable. Plus... finally I'll be able to have a decent avatar on this forum :-D



If I can give you a suggestion, I would tell you to install the romance pack mod. It really adds a lot of depth to the characters involved in it. So, have a try, in case you hadn't already tried it!