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[The Masked Rog]

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

It's unwise to feed the voice of reason?

I see a lot of personal preferences, very little reasons.
Yes, you like a tactical challenge, it's good to know.
I am also willing to duel you in Empire total war or DoW II to find out just how much you like tactics...

Whether or not people are around to appreciate them the great pyramids will not be great because of 'personal preference'. They're great, that is all.

Whether or not I consider something great has no inpact in their greatness. I say my house is great because it's over 100 years old. People look and just see an outdated building.

If the general population considered the pyramids lame, they'd only be great as in size, not as in awesome.

[FatsMarvellous]

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Picking a bad line of spells and not min/max is not an intelligent strategy. 
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Well it's playing the game without doing aspergers level research before hand but then adapting and using what you have which I like.

[FatsMarvellous]

The Masked Rog wrote...

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

It's unwise to feed the voice of reason?

I see a lot of personal preferences, very little reasons.
Yes, you like a tactical challenge, it's good to know.
I am also willing to duel you in Empire total war or DoW II to find out just how much you like tactics...

Whether or not people are around to appreciate them the great pyramids will not be great because of 'personal preference'. They're great, that is all.

Whether or not I consider something great has no inpact in their greatness. I say my house is great because it's over 100 years old. People look and just see an outdated building.

If the general population considered the pyramids lame, they'd only be great as in size, not as in awesome.

Pretty much as wrong as you can get: some things are so good they transcend opinion

[Lyssistr]

Dude, BG was not hard either, only Sarevok was hard and that only without tosc

[Dave of Canada]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Merlin Dawnweaver]

FatsMarvellous wrote...
Picking a bad line of spells and not min/max is not an intelligent strategy. 

Well it's playing the game without doing aspergers level research before hand but then adapting and using what you have which I like.

Unfortunately failing to plan...






... is planning to phail.

Strategy implies planning to make use of resources efficiently, regardless what you would rather prefer.

Modifié par Merlin Dawnweaver, 05 septembre 2010 - 12:59 .

[FatsMarvellous]

Lyssistr wrote...

Dude, BG was not hard either, only Sarevok was hard and that only without tosc

Dude, a post( not mine):



Quite simply, level 1 AD&D (2nd ed.) is bull****. I don't think I've
played a single pen & paper game of it where there wasn't some sort
of house rule starting everyone at level 3 or 4, and this was with DMs
who were merciless toward players trying to game the system or otherwise
disrupt their campaigns by abusing game mechanics. Why do you think you
start at level 4 in Planescape: Torment? You can't even die in that
game and they won't even start you at level 1.



I know how everyone says it's not so bad once you level a few times, but
that's kind of my point. There's a lot of people I know who will never
play BG2 because of that stupid wolf or the mage assassin on the way to
the friendly arm inn. He casts horror for crying out loud, right after
he instantly casts mirror image (remember BG1 mirror image? You *have*
to go through each one of them before you can land a hit) You're
guaranteed to fail that save and, unless your PC is a cleric, you have
no way to prevent it from loving you over other than sheer luck.



That's the problem with the game in a nutshell: do you feel lucky?
Because even if you do everything perfectly thanks to foreknowledge
you'll still get hosed over by that kobold who respawned (boy does BG1
love aggressively respawning gnolls and kobolds and poo poo) behind your
party and landed a 12 damage critical arrow on your mage. There's also a
lot of nasty debilitating effects enemies love to use to which the game
provides no means of prevention, and for many of them, no means of
curing other than waiting the duration out. Remember BG1 charm? It lasts
loving forever.

Yeah, you're wrong

[The Masked Rog]

FatsMarvellous wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

It's unwise to feed the voice of reason?

I see a lot of personal preferences, very little reasons.
Yes, you like a tactical challenge, it's good to know.
I am also willing to duel you in Empire total war or DoW II to find out just how much you like tactics...

Whether or not people are around to appreciate them the great pyramids will not be great because of 'personal preference'. They're great, that is all.

Whether or not I consider something great has no inpact in their greatness. I say my house is great because it's over 100 years old. People look and just see an outdated building.

If the general population considered the pyramids lame, they'd only be great as in size, not as in awesome.

Pretty much as wrong as you can get: some things are so good they transcend opinion

So they are great even if no one likes them? Go me, I just discovered I'm great, I just transcend opinion.

Really now, greatness depends on the individual. I say BG1 was an overly difficult, thus not fun to play game. You say it's great. Neither of us is right because greatness varies with the individual. Nothing is so good it transcends opinion because goodness is subjective too.

BUt this is going way of topic.

I hope BioWare keeps trying new things, keeping what works and throwing what doesn't. I hope they never feel the need to hold on a gameplay detracting feature because every game has it. BG1 was a revolutionary game when it was created and people spoke badly of it too.

[Lord Gremlin]

Ah, so if anyone wonders why people start talking of PC nerds, narrow-minded trolls and PC elitism and how unfair those suggestions are, I shall direct them to this thread. OP is the problem.



I suppose he would love Demon's Souls. This game starts with insanely hard fight, and if you manage to win it you will still be killed and lose all your hard-earn XP.

[Riona45]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Ah, so if anyone wonders why people start talking of PC nerds, narrow-minded trolls and PC elitism and how unfair those suggestions are, I shall direct them to this thread. OP is the problem.

It's a troll.  It may or may not actually hold these opinions, the point is just to push people's buttons.

Modifié par Riona45, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:03 .

[Lyssistr]

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Dude, BG was not hard either, only Sarevok was hard and that only without tosc

Dude, a post( not mine):



Quite simply, level 1 AD&D (2nd ed.) is bull****. I don't think I've
played a single pen & paper game of it where there wasn't some sort
of house rule starting everyone at level 3 or 4, and this was with DMs
who were merciless toward players trying to game the system or otherwise
disrupt their campaigns by abusing game mechanics. Why do you think you
start at level 4 in Planescape: Torment? You can't even die in that
game and they won't even start you at level 1.



I know how everyone says it's not so bad once you level a few times, but
that's kind of my point. There's a lot of people I know who will never
play BG2 because of that stupid wolf or the mage assassin on the way to
the friendly arm inn. He casts horror for crying out loud, right after
he instantly casts mirror image (remember BG1 mirror image? You *have*
to go through each one of them before you can land a hit) You're
guaranteed to fail that save and, unless your PC is a cleric, you have
no way to prevent it from loving you over other than sheer luck.



That's the problem with the game in a nutshell: do you feel lucky?
Because even if you do everything perfectly thanks to foreknowledge
you'll still get hosed over by that kobold who respawned (boy does BG1
love aggressively respawning gnolls and kobolds and poo poo) behind your
party and landed a 12 damage critical arrow on your mage. There's also a
lot of nasty debilitating effects enemies love to use to which the game
provides no means of prevention, and for many of them, no means of
curing other than waiting the duration out. Remember BG1 charm? It lasts
loving forever.

Yeah, you're wrong

So your point is that BG1 was **** at low levels? old news is old, you level up, rest of the game is easy, bar Sarevok.

[Lyssistr]

Riona45 wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Ah, so if anyone wonders why people start talking of PC nerds, narrow-minded trolls and PC elitism and how unfair those suggestions are, I shall direct them to this thread. OP is the problem.

It's a troll.  It may or may not actually hold these opinions, the point is just to push people's buttons.

Yes but he's terribad, besides we want to pull his buttons instead.

[FatsMarvellous]

[quote]Lyssistr wrote...

[quote]FatsMarvellous wrote...

[quote]Lyssistr wrote...




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So your point is that BG1 was **** at low levels? old news is old, you level up, rest of the game is easy, bar Sarevok.[/quote]

My point is that the game was not coy or apologetic about throwing you the wolves (literally) and you began the game as a cloistered whelp. It was unforgiving and you were no badass, no erm....guy called Hawke for instance.
The point and what made the game good was that you slowly became badass through your own endeavours.

[FatsMarvellous]

Almost like you were playing a ROLE

[The Masked Rog]

My point is that the game was not coy or apologetic about throwing you the wolves (literally) and you began the game as a cloistered whelp. It was unforgiving and you were no badass, no erm....guy called Hawke for instance.

The point and what made the game good was that you slowly became badass through your own endeavours.

Hawke doesn't start badass. He is so badass that the game's already over when he starts.

[Lyssistr]

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Almost like you were playing a ROLE

In BG1 you hardly played a role, there were barely any party interactions & no romances to speak of. Dude have you played the game?

[FatsMarvellous]

Hawke unleash fury with my mage/warrior staf/sword with X

Can you say Kratos?

Modifié par FatsMarvellous, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:11 .

[Lyssistr]

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Hawke unleash fury with my mage/warrior staf/sword with X

Can you say Kratos?

Kordaris?

[Kilshrek]

Will it sell 10 millyun copies?

[FatsMarvellous]

Lyssistr wrote...

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Almost like you were playing a ROLE

In BG1 you hardly played a role, there were barely any party interactions & no romances to speak of. Dude have you played the game?

Have you played BG1,2 and ToB? you play a very significant role

[Kinkaku]

As I said quit feeding the troll so that it will die a slow painful death

[FatsMarvellous]

Kilshrek wrote...

Will it sell 10 millyun copies?

Van Gogh never sold a painting in his lifetime

[The Masked Rog]

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Hawke unleash fury with my mage/warrior staf/sword with X

Can you say Kratos?

Yah cause in BG you didn't have swords. And you totally didn't unleash fury. And there were no mages.

Ow wait.

You didn't unleash fury. You kind of sucked and were killed by the first wolf you found, and it was only possible to survive if you were lucky. Great fun. You played the role of a whelp instead of the role of a character created by you.

[Lyssistr]

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

FatsMarvellous wrote...

Almost like you were playing a ROLE

In BG1 you hardly played a role, there were barely any party interactions & no romances to speak of. Dude have you played the game?

Have you played BG1,2 and ToB? you play a very significant role

Party interactions & roleplaying were in BG II & ToB, -not BG- where btw you didn't have the AD&D low level ****. Unless by role you mean you played a part in a story, which is also true for super mario land.

[Lyssistr]

Akiios wrote...

As I said quit feeding the troll so that it will die a slow painful death

He's probably Kordaris, so lets tease him a little now that he's shown his dark side