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[lunarknightmage]

there are only 2 scenarios where I can see the possibility of warriors being able to DW in DA2.



1. We don't know what the specs are. So, maybe there's a remote chance that there are specs that allow one class to learn the weapon/talent trees of another class. So warriors can learn DW. Mages can wield Sword and Shield and 2h.........etc.



2. The other thing is that some have heard the devs mention that Hawke might get "unique" abilities.



Who knows..........maybe that means Hawke will be able to cross over into other classes........

[CLime]

I don't get why people are so disappointed that mages can't use bows, or whatever. I suppose it is the internet, and for every one person complaining in this thread there are likely 100 that looked at it and didn't care enough either way to say anything.



Regardless, it's not that big of a deal. The only times I ever used bows on my non-rogue characters were when I ran out of inventory space and needed to use the extra weapon slots. Yeah, Scattershot is a pretty useful pulling ability for a tank, but that's more of a balance issue than anything. One ability is poor justification for an entire tree, however, and warriors won't even have access to archery talents regardless. It's not hard to give tanks a ranged pulling ability without requiring archery. Make Smite a bit weaker, put it earlier in the Templar tree, problem solved.



Citing real-world logistics is rarely a convincing argument for specific design decisions. Why can't mages use daggers? Why can't I take disarmed traps? Why can't I wear different gloves on different hands? All of these things would be nice as features. However, I can't guarantee the resources required to implement them would be worth it.



Besides, there are some people who like more restrictions on their classes. Just like it may bother someone else that warriors can't even hold a bow, it bothered me a bit that Warden Commander Plate was the best armor for rogues. I would rather rogues not even be able to use plate in Origins. You can't please everyone; BioWare isn't making decisions just to spite their audience.

[tmp7704]

DarkSpiral wrote...

I didn't have abig problem with the removal of DW from warriors, as I've posted elsewhere, but I'll admit the fact you can't even equip a bow if you don't have access to the skill line surpasses even my forgiving nature.  Two years ago my nephew, who was 4 at the time, figured out how to use his toy bow and suction cup arrows in under 5 seconds.

Clearly, your nephew is a rogue then

[HTTP 404]

Its everyones tendency (including me) to look at what is missing and wrong first, glass half empty, versus seeing what is good first, glass half full.



This thread fully epitomize that.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

lunarknightmage wrote...

there are only 2 scenarios where I can see the possibility of warriors being able to DW in DA2.

1. We don't know what the specs are. So, maybe there's a remote chance that there are specs that allow one class to learn the weapon/talent trees of another class. So warriors can learn DW. Mages can wield Sword and Shield and 2h.........etc.

2. The other thing is that some have heard the devs mention that Hawke might get "unique" abilities.

Who knows..........maybe that means Hawke will be able to cross over into other classes........

It could be because Warrior's do AOE with each swing now, and rogues do not. That may be a coding nightmare, or a lot of extra work for not much gain. Though I don't know for sure if it would be as hard as I think it would be technically speaking.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

It could be because Warrior's do AOE with each swing now, and rogues do not. That may be a coding nightmare, or a lot of extra work for not much gain. Though I don't know for sure if it would be as hard as I think it would be technically speaking.

That's also a possible explanation for why Warriors can't equip daggers.  Having a dagger auto-attack do AoE damange in a 120° arc might be silly.

[aerows]

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Why not give warrior throwing weapon as a replacement tree ? a tree that allow warrior to chug axes, spear and half a chair at his enemies sound like fun.

I support the hurling of furniture and other heavy objects in DA2

[aerows]

[quote]Brockololly wrote...

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This just gives off a very ME2 simplification/limiting choice vibe to me that I'm not a fan of.

[/quote]

I'll be honest, I'm concerned about this, too.  ME2 was a good game, but I only wanted to play it once.  It didn't have the same replayability as the first ME.  I'm concerned the same thing is happening here.  In ME2, according to their statistics more people played soldier than any other class combined.  The reason, I suspect, is because the soldier is the only one that could use all of the weapons (that's why I switched from Vanguard in the first one to Soldier in the second).

Simplifying things is good - over-simplifying things *isn't* good.  I'm keeping an open mind, but still, there are some concerns.

[AlanC9]

Of course, we've had other posters saying that ME2 is as replayable as ME1 or more so. Mileages vary.

[DarkSpiral]

tmp7704 wrote...

DarkSpiral wrote...

I didn't have abig problem with the removal of DW from warriors, as I've posted elsewhere, but I'll admit the fact you can't even equip a bow if you don't have access to the skill line surpasses even my forgiving nature.  Two years ago my nephew, who was 4 at the time, figured out how to use his toy bow and suction cup arrows in under 5 seconds.

Clearly, your nephew is a rogue then

Better.  He's a minature cowboy.

[tmp7704]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

That's also a possible explanation for why Warriors can't equip daggers.  Having a dagger auto-attack do AoE damange in a 120° arc might be silly.

Technically we don't know if warriors can or cannot equip daggers -- they can use "weapon + shield" style and the exact appearance of weapon in that combination is supposedly up to the art department. They aren't limited to making weapon in that style look only like sword, it can be just as well axe, mace or whatever. Though granted, the possibility a dagger is going to be one of options for that fighting style is very low.

[Sylvius the Mad]

tmp7704 wrote...

Technically we don't know if warriors can or cannot equip daggers -- they can use "weapon + shield" style and the exact appearance of weapon in that combination is supposedly up to the art department. They aren't limited to making weapon in that style look only like sword, it can be just as well axe, mace or whatever. Though granted, the possibility a dagger is going to be one of options for that fighting style is very low.

I do hope that both Rogues and Warriors have access to a wide variety of blunt weapons.

[jsachun]

aerows wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Why not give warrior throwing weapon as a replacement tree ? a tree that allow warrior to chug axes, spear and half a chair at his enemies sound like fun.

I support the hurling of furniture and other heavy objects in DA2

Yeah, and throw the kitchen sink as well while your at it too. 

[joriandrake]

jsachun wrote...

aerows wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Why not give warrior throwing weapon as a replacement tree ? a tree that allow warrior to chug axes, spear and half a chair at his enemies sound like fun.

I support the hurling of furniture and other heavy objects in DA2

Yeah, and throw the kitchen sink as well while your at it too. 

I want to dual wield 2 frying pans

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

joriandrake wrote...

jsachun wrote...

aerows wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Why not give warrior throwing weapon as a replacement tree ? a tree that allow warrior to chug axes, spear and half a chair at his enemies sound like fun.

I support the hurling of furniture and other heavy objects in DA2

Yeah, and throw the kitchen sink as well while your at it too. 

I want to dual wield 2 frying pans

I want to dual weild 2 frying pans ATTACHED TO CHAINS!

[addiction21]

joriandrake wrote...

jsachun wrote...

aerows wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Why not give warrior throwing weapon as a replacement tree ? a tree that allow warrior to chug axes, spear and half a chair at his enemies sound like fun.

I support the hurling of furniture and other heavy objects in DA2

Yeah, and throw the kitchen sink as well while your at it too. 

I want to dual wield 2 frying pans

Have to be cast iron 13's. Personally I would prefer two Waffle Irons but meh.

[SafetyShattered]

I am sad that the warrior loses a weapon set but the warrior and rogue were way to similar.

So basically long story short I am glad that both classes are now both a little more distinct.

[jsachun]

Rogues suck. & Bioware taking away DWs for warrior have given me another reason to hold off buying DA2 indefinetly.

[CerealWar]

Stop publicizing the stupid changes you people have made and start releasing game-play footage that shows Dragon Age 2 in a positive light. The game releases in six months and no one knows what the hell they're buying.

Modifié par CerealWar, 06 octobre 2010 - 01:29 .

[DanaScu]

joriandrake wrote...

jsachun wrote...

aerows wrote...

Merlin Dawnweaver wrote...

Why not give warrior throwing weapon as a replacement tree ? a tree that allow warrior to chug axes, spear and half a chair at his enemies sound like fun.

I support the hurling of furniture and other heavy objects in DA2

Yeah, and throw the kitchen sink as well while your at it too. 

I want to dual wield 2 frying pans

Well, if they go the Jade Empire route, you may get your choice of dual wield table legs or dual wield hams....

[jsachun]

Well, it's goodbye & farewell to my Angel of Death.

[Nerevar-as]

What are those blades?

[Blastback]

jsachun wrote...

Well, it's goodbye & farewell to my Angel of Death.

Is that a mod, or can you get that sword in the game? Cause awesome.

[jsachun]

It's the unbugged version of vigilance.

[elfdwarf]

mages lost usage of holding sword, hammer ,axe .shield ,dagger ,mace

mages can only use their staff

so why are you complaining warriors

oh we lost some of our spells.

Modifié par elfdwarf, 06 octobre 2010 - 04:23 .