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[Kaiser Shepard]

Ah, good old Night. How I love your unpredictable mind.

[Nightwriter]

I've always had this avatar. This is mine. All those other people with the same avatar, they're impostors.

Besides, there are men running around these forums with female avatars. It doesn't mean anything. Putting something in a sig? Who looks in people's sigs anyway.

Let's hear that response, Onyx, you mad hatter.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:03 .

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Nightwriter wrote...

I have the strongest desire to say I am a man, and a lesbian, and a great judge of character, and crazy, all at the same time, just to see your head explode.

Then pirouette away, giggling maniacally.

Now that sentence was definitely worth coming out of lurking to commend. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

Does that mean I'm not the Illusive Man?



Way to ruin my night, Night...woah, Great Scott!

[xlavaina]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Is it Tali that annoys you, or Tali's fans? And when she talks to you, are you hearing Tali, or the echo of the annoyance you feel for her fan group?

I did like her in ME1, in ME2 , the fact that the word "talimancer" even exists bewildered me. I wouldn't do Tali in because of her fans but I admit that she is effectively a neutered squad memeber because of her fans... I do not actually think she is a personality anymore... honestly, in my mind, the mancers have killed Tali off as a real individual... I can't see past them to her anymore.

Zaeed, was the only other squaddie who I almost topped because of his attitude.

Agreed haha. Before I came to this site, the word "Talimancer" was foreign to me; I had never heard it before. Then I found the 10,000 page achievement of the Tali fan group and I simply connected the dots. I do agree that some Tali fans have definitely tainted the character a bit for me. Rule 34 hit me like a train... I was obviously not as familiar to the internet as I previously thought, apparently... I personally haven't let these things get in the way of the character, though, but thats just me, I can understand how some fans permanently tainted it for you. Besides, the majority of the people who hate Tali hate her for her fans, and rightfully so.

Anyway, back on topic. I have quite a few squad members that I dislike and truly hate. I had always hated Miranda, she just got under my skin from the very start. Jacob was another bland Kaiden and I did not appreciate that. Jack... well I just don't see where she fits in. Kasumi... she's chill and all, but why the hell do we need a thief? That thought alone was enough for me to be irked by her. Samara was just a Liara replacement that is less boring. Grunt was just another token Krogan, and simply could not replace Wrex. Now these are just my personal opinions, so lets not start a flame war over it. My point is, despite the fact I dislike and flat out hate some of these squad members, I would never kill them off.

My import file for ME3 has all the squad members alive and loyal. This is simply because I believe that each and every character, whether cameo or squad member, will have an awesome role in ME3, and I don't want to miss out on any of it because of some misplaced sense of fanboy-hate or irritation towards a fictional character. 

Anyway just my thoughts. 

[Nightwriter]

It's sad, but to an extent Johnny is right, Tali has been commercialized by her fans into this thing that isn't even a character anymore. How much I feel this way tends to depend on how much exposure I've had to Tali fandom recently, however. When I go weeks without peeking in their group or encountering them, I am able to see Tali for Tali.

Sounds like you like hardly anybody, xlavaina. Still cool you kept everyone alive though.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well to be sarcastic yet in a way truthful depending on what output my brain is working I generally hate everyone.

However in the scope of a game, any game, I tend to follow various moral standards for my characters almost regardless of their disposition.

The first is that I do not execute characters unless forced to. This carries on even in ME 2 where for instance I do not kill the Krogan Speaker while he is talking.

However going further in the scope of ME 2 we often hear people off their squadmates. First started in ME 1 of course with regards to Kaidan and Ashley where even some people "Wished they could off both of them"

In the Suicide Mission given that I from my very first playthrough found a combination that fits, did not intentionally kill off characters. In my second playthrough Zaeed and Mordin died. Ironically my two favorite non-Martin Sheen characters.

Of course the meta game option of killing off characters gives the player some freedom. However the turn of "I don't like X character lets kill them off" Seems counterproductive.

For instance there is one character in ME 2 that I do not like much. They annoy me and the only time they died on one of my playthroughs was on NG+ and was because I brought them to the final battle and they were unloyal. I ended up deleting that playthrough.

So of course, if I do not like them. Why not off them so I never see them again? Simple, your allies are allies for a reason and if they annoy me. So what? I deal with it. Besides on a meta-game note variance is always welcome. Like/Dislike is almost a scale sometimes. Whats the point in liking a character if you have no one to dislike.

Also of note on this forum is a hive mentality of "OH NOES" X People luv character so mucH!!!, Super hate! Kill on suicide mission!" Well good for you. Its not gonna convince me however, to yeah I don't like them, I'm gonna kill them. I don't care enough to show up other people on my playthrough by killing someone because my playthrough doesn't affect them in any way. They do not see it, and they probably do not care. So why should I care so much?

I suppose killing off characters could give more variance in ME 3 possibly, by way of meta-game. In my last full playthrough Mordin/Tali/Samara and Thane all died, and in a way I want to see repercussions of this. But I didn't do it because I disliked them (actually I didn't think Samara would die), in fact I don't dislike any of them, save for one which I dislike a little but whatever that had no impact on why I positioned them as I did on that mission.

Also of note is the side-stories. Why kill characters I don't like when they are tied to bigger stuff around them? That seems a little counter-productive to me in the overarching story. Even if from game to game it only pays off in small dividends.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Well to be sarcastic yet in a way truthful depending on what output my brain is working I generally hate everyone.

lolz

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...


The first is that I do not execute characters unless forced to. This carries on even in ME 2 where for instance I do not kill the Krogan Speaker while he is talking.
 

What actually happens if you don't interrupt and set him on fire?

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Nightwriter wrote...
It's sad, but to an extent Johnny is right, Tali has been commercialized by her fans into this thing that isn't even a character anymore. How much I feel this way tends to depend on how much exposure I've had to Tali fandom recently, however. When I go weeks without peeking in their group or encountering them, I am able to see Tali for Tali.
Sounds like you like hardly anybody, xlavaina. Still cool you kept everyone alive though.

yeah, if I wasn't such a forum lurker I probs would see Tali for her personality more

[jojon2se]

As somebody who feels kind of bad about every faceless, cookie cutter virtual henchman you cant avoid mowing down while steamrolling through games and almost mortified when some of these are given names; no /me don't quite get it.

I guess we all have different suspension of disbelief abilities.

[Onyx Jaguar]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...


The first is that I do not execute characters unless forced to. This carries on even in ME 2 where for instance I do not kill the Krogan Speaker while he is talking.
 

What actually happens if you don't interrupt and set him on fire?

You kill him the old fashion way

[Nightwriter]

Your post is just mesmerizing. The awesomeness.



You go from saying you pretty much hate everyone to saying you don't dislike any of them. I are in awe.



You said you kill off characters you actually like. Do you do that on purpose, or does it just happen?

[EffectedByTheMasses]

ah.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

On topic: I have never killed off squadmates due to not liking them. Primarily because I like almost all of them. Finding a character boring is not the same as disliking them too. Think if it were real life: If you found someone boring, you would not hate them, merely be bored with them.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Nightwriter wrote...

You said you kill off characters you actually like. Do you do that on purpose, or does it just happen?

Well the first time when Zaeed and Mordin died it just happened.  However when Tali, Mordin and Thane died it was in my near-no loyalty playthrough so I used them as metagame cushions to protect the rest of the squad, I did not consciously get Samara killed on that playthrough but she did end up dying.

Also in regards to ME 1 Kaidan is one of my favorite characters, but I rarely let him live.  That is just something weird I do that I cannot properly explain rationally.

However in other combinations where I have killed off characters to see what happens I did it more out of curiosity than anything.  

[Nightwriter]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I have the strongest desire to say I am a man, and a lesbian, and a great judge of character, and crazy, all at the same time, just to see your head explode.

Then pirouette away, giggling maniacally.

Now that sentence was definitely worth coming out of lurking to commend. 

The secret purpose of this thread is to draw lurkers out of hiding. My hobby is secretly lurker fishing.

It is a delicate and refined process involving response-provoking posts.

[The Grey Ranger]

That is pretty much my method for avoiding having outside influence on my various Shepards' feelings toward characters. I don't follow the character fan threads. Thus it's easy to avoid dislike of a group from spilling over onto a character.



As far as keeping people alive, most of my Shepards' would have to answer "You're on my crew." His/her feelings are not really relevant to keeping a team member alive, neither is paragon/renegade status. For paragon maybe because it's the right thing to do, and for renegade, well they're loyal, so having a strong squad will improve the chances of succeeeding in the mission.

[MajesticJazz]

Nightwriter wrote...

I hear a lot of people saying "rawr rawr, I hate this person, I killed them, ha ha!"

I have people I may not love, sure, but I'd never kill them off. Aside from the fact that I don't feel my Shepard would let a teammate bite it just because of dislike, I'd never cut myself out of game content.

So I'm curious - why kill someone you dislike? Isn't it better to keep them around and be a douche to them, at the very least?

To keep it quick and simple, we kill off characters because that ensures that we don't have to deal with them in the next game.

If I hated Tali in ME2, no matter how big of a role Bioware gives Tali in ME3, I can say to myself that 3 out of 4 of my Shepards will go into ME3 not having to worry about bumping into Tali anymore.

Basically we are shaping things up to our own liking.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Nightwriter wrote...

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I have the strongest desire to say I am a man, and a lesbian, and a great judge of character, and crazy, all at the same time, just to see your head explode.

Then pirouette away, giggling maniacally.

Now that sentence was definitely worth coming out of lurking to commend. 

The secret purpose of this thread is to draw lurkers out of hiding. My hobby is secretly lurker fishing.

It is a delicate and refined process involving response-provoking posts.

Hey. don't make me sound like a victim. I deny it. Completely. You did not succeed in provoking me. Which is why I'm writing this. =p

[Nightwriter]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Also in regards to ME 1 Kaidan is one of my favorite characters, but I rarely let him live.  That is just something weird I do that I cannot properly explain rationally.

I like this post. I also cannot explain it rationally.

Also, why would anyone do the suicide mission without doing all the loyalty missions? Were you intending to get characters killed? Was this one of your later runthroughs?

[xlavaina]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I hear a lot of people saying "rawr rawr, I hate this person, I killed them, ha ha!"

I have people I may not love, sure, but I'd never kill them off. Aside from the fact that I don't feel my Shepard would let a teammate bite it just because of dislike, I'd never cut myself out of game content.

So I'm curious - why kill someone you dislike? Isn't it better to keep them around and be a douche to them, at the very least?

To keep it quick and simple, we kill off characters because that ensures that we don't have to deal with them in the next game.

If I hated Tali in ME2, no matter how big of a role Bioware gives Tali in ME3, I can say to myself that 3 out of 4 of my Shepards will go into ME3 not having to worry about bumping into Tali anymore.

Basically we are shaping things up to our own liking.

This is a good point, but as I said, I don't want to mar the experience in any way because I dislike a character. But I understand what you're saying. Its just not what I would do...

Nightwriter wrote...

It's sad, but to an extent Johnny is right, Tali has been commercialized by her fans into this thing that isn't even a character anymore. How much I feel this way tends to depend on how much exposure I've had to Tali fandom recently, however. When I go weeks without peeking in their group or encountering them, I am able to see Tali for Tali. 

Sounds like you like hardly anybody, xlavaina. Still cool you kept everyone alive though.

I can see how you got that impression, I tend to have a neutral disposition towards who I like and who I dislike, especially when I try and describe them (to avoid infecting a thread with trolls, flamers, etc). Anyway I have quite a few characters I like: Garrus, Tali and Legion are my favorites. 

Modifié par xlavaina, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:31 .

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Hm. actually, I'm interested to know... Aside from saying you dislike one character more than the other, what normally prompts you guys to choose Kaiden or Ash to save?

For example, my based-after-myself maleshep always saves Ash because as a character, I really like her and also as a gentleman's code of honor . However, my two other shepards, one male and one female, save Kaiden because technically he is of higher rank, which I believe would mean he should be saved given a choice? idk I'm no military person but that's what commons sense tells me.

Modifié par EffectedByTheMasses, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[Guywhoiam]

I have killed my squad on purpose before. Just because I wanted to see if Shepard would actually die. Other than that, I never let people die. Sure, I may find someone like Jacob a little dull, but I'll never kill him on purpose.

[Guywhoiam]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

Hm. actually, I'm interested to know... Aside from saying you dislike one character more than the other, what normally prompts you guys to choose Kaiden or Ash to save?

Romance.