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[Nightwriter]

Which cuts you out of game content. Hating a character enough to cheat yourself out of game content... that's some powerful hate, yo.

[SonofMacPhisto]

xlavaina wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Troll.

He is. Don't feed him. Just ignore...

crimzontearz wrote...
dude..no point arguing, the guy has NOT played ME1, he does not care, he lacks the perspective and for what's worth he'd rather see ME3 become a full shooter with conversations and no RPG features

That explains a lot. 


This is what really pisses me off about people: when they judge a book by its cover and make uncalled for judgments when they have no idea what they're talking about. Sorry Extreme one, I'll have to essentially ignore you from now on too. Its pathetic to act the way you do with no basis for doing it. I honestly couldn't care less about who you hate and who you like, but don't shove your opinion down other peoples' throats while simultaneously not knowing the whole picture. Honestly, its pathetic and degrading.  

Anyway, back on topic. 

SonofMacPhisto wrote...
For me, only my first playthrough matters.  I sent Kaiden with Kirrahe due to his officer rank and familiarity with protocols.  When I had to choose, the mission was to blow the place up so I had to make sure it got blown the hell up.  Therefore, Ashley lived, but only because she was with the bomb.  Lucky! 

That is an interesting outlook. In other words, you play the game the way its supposed to be played? Like it would be played as if it were real. You accept the consequences of your first play through... interesting... I would've done this for ME2, but Garrus died, and that I could simply not allow  So I replayed it and everyone survived. Kewl. 

Yes. /Legion

I was fortunate enough to have everyone, including the Normandy's crew, survive.  Whatever happened, I was going to stick with, no matter what.  (Ask me out nervous I was when I sent my LI, Tali, into the vents.  Go ahead!  I dare you! lol)  Now, I've done another 'canon' playthrough to fully incorporate additional DLC, but I made all the same decisions anyway.  I'm going to use that Shep for post-ME2 DLC, and load that into ME3.

But yeah, Bioware went through a lot of effort to make death a real risk, not just for you, but your squad as well.  I was going to honor that, and was extremely fortunate in the end.  Or, I'm just a badass.

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 05 septembre 2010 - 10:03 .

[SonofMacPhisto]

Nightwriter wrote...

Okay, I guess my puzzlement is less about how you could kill off someone you don't like and more... how could you dislike so many people? Or how could you dislike a single person, or a few people, so intensely?

Which is of course an extremely subjective question that has no real objective answer.

If I could step in here more a moment...

To me, I take the game pretty seriously and act in my 'canon' playthroughs how I would if I really were Commander Shepard.  In my own life, I've made PLENTY of mistakes and have some pretty big personality faults.  I'm also old enough to realize we ALL do.

So, in ME2, I had empathy for every character.  How could you hate someone, whose faults and history you and they had no control over?  Besides, you need them for this mission.  Put up, or shut up.

[Emperor Mars]

I dont try and kill the guys I dont like...but that's alright because the only character I dont like is Miranda...but not enough to kill her.

Besides what the hell sort of commander tries to get his own people killed?

Seriously if I was on a guys squad and found out he was putting trying to kill someone by putting them in a situation what would get them killed, I would jump ship. Cause **** that.

[Nightwriter]

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Okay, I guess my puzzlement is less about how you could kill off someone you don't like and more... how could you dislike so many people? Or how could you dislike a single person, or a few people, so intensely?

Which is of course an extremely subjective question that has no real objective answer.

If I could step in here more a moment...

To me, I take the game pretty seriously and act in my 'canon' playthroughs how I would if I really were Commander Shepard.  In my own life, I've made PLENTY of mistakes and have some pretty big personality faults.  I'm also old enough to realize we ALL do.

So, in ME2, I had empathy for every character.  How could you hate someone, whose faults and history you and they had no control over?  Besides, you need them for this mission.  Put up, or shut up.

I commend you, sir.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Emperor Mars wrote...

I dont try and kill the guys I dont like...but that's alright because the only character I dont like is Miranda...but not enough to kill her.
Besides what the hell sort of commander tries to get his own people killed?
Seriously if I was on a guys squad and found out he was putting trying to kill someone by putting them in a situation what would get them killed, I would jump ship. Cause **** that.

Amen!

Screw the Reapers!  I've got a petty grudge to settle!  (lulz)

[epoch_]

Mesina2 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Troll.

lol

[SonofMacPhisto]

epoch_ wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Troll.

lol

Hey, as a Tali fan, I think that gif is pretty funny.

My sense of humor is also black and morbid... but w/e lawlz.

[Emperor Mars]

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

Emperor Mars wrote...

I dont try and kill the guys I dont like...but that's alright because the only character I dont like is Miranda...but not enough to kill her.
Besides what the hell sort of commander tries to get his own people killed?
Seriously if I was on a guys squad and found out he was putting trying to kill someone by putting them in a situation what would get them killed, I would jump ship. Cause **** that.

Amen!

Screw the Reapers!  I've got a petty grudge to settle!  (lulz)

"Your upset over your dead parents! Go down the tunnel of death to make sure its clear for the rest of us unemotional psychopaths"

"**** you Shepard!"

[xlavaina]

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

Emperor Mars wrote...

I dont try and kill the guys I dont like...but that's alright because the only character I dont like is Miranda...but not enough to kill her.
Besides what the hell sort of commander tries to get his own people killed?
Seriously if I was on a guys squad and found out he was putting trying to kill someone by putting them in a situation what would get them killed, I would jump ship. Cause **** that.

Amen!

Screw the Reapers!  I've got a petty grudge to settle!  (lulz)

haha yeah exactly. Lets make a big deal out of personal issues and let the galaxy perish. After all, who cares about the Reapers when only the squad I like survives? 

[epoch_]

xlavaina wrote...

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

Emperor Mars wrote...

I dont try and kill the guys I dont like...but that's alright because the only character I dont like is Miranda...but not enough to kill her.
Besides what the hell sort of commander tries to get his own people killed?
Seriously if I was on a guys squad and found out he was putting trying to kill someone by putting them in a situation what would get them killed, I would jump ship. Cause **** that.

Amen!

Screw the Reapers!  I've got a petty grudge to settle!  (lulz)

haha yeah exactly. Lets make a big deal out of personal issues and let the galaxy perish. After all, who cares about the Reapers when only the squad I like survives? 

You overestimate the importance of your squad when dealing with the reapers.

[xlavaina]

epoch_ wrote...

You overestimate the importance of your squad when dealing with the reapers.

Well I like my squad <_<

[SonofMacPhisto]

xlavaina wrote...

SonofMacPhisto wrote...

Emperor Mars wrote...

I dont try and kill the guys I dont like...but that's alright because the only character I dont like is Miranda...but not enough to kill her.
Besides what the hell sort of commander tries to get his own people killed?
Seriously if I was on a guys squad and found out he was putting trying to kill someone by putting them in a situation what would get them killed, I would jump ship. Cause **** that.

Amen!

Screw the Reapers!  I've got a petty grudge to settle!  (lulz)

haha yeah exactly. Lets make a big deal out of personal issues and let the galaxy perish. After all, who cares about the Reapers when only the squad I like survives? 

As long as you keep the humans, the Reapers don't really care.

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 05 septembre 2010 - 10:24 .

[Nightwriter]

epoch_ wrote...

You overestimate the importance of your squad when dealing with the reapers.

You underestimate the importance of the Reapers when dealing with your squad.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Nightwriter wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

You overestimate the importance of your squad when dealing with the reapers.

You underestimate the importance of the Reapers when dealing with your squad.

And, of course, the squirrels.

[crimzontearz]

xlavaina wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
dude..no point arguing, the guy has NOT played ME1, he does not care, he lacks the perspective and for what's worth he'd rather see ME3 become a full shooter with conversations and no RPG features

That explains a lot. 


This is what really pisses me off about people: when they judge a book by its cover and make uncalled for judgments when they have no idea what they're talking about. Sorry Extreme one, I'll have to essentially ignore you from now on too. Its pathetic to act the way you do with no basis for doing it. I honestly couldn't care less about who you hate and who you like, but don't shove your opinion down other peoples' throats while simultaneously not knowing the whole picture. Honestly, its pathetic and degrading.  

yeah well he is also troll-ish in his constant reminders of how much Tali and other paragon character suck and how he plots their deaths in every single playthrough....I believe it's an attention issue


I dare you to go read his viewpoint on heatsinks and his comments on gameplay mechanics

[Nightwriter]

From what I'm hearing, it sounds like only trolls kill off people intentionally then.



So is there anyone who kills characters off for un-trollish reasons? Maybe to add drama? Make the suicide mission more impacting? And when you do kill people off, is it only people who dislike, or feel ambivalent toward, or do you actually kill people off you know you will miss?

[Water Dumple]

Nightwriter wrote...

From what I'm hearing, it sounds like only trolls kill off people intentionally then.

So is there anyone who kills characters off for un-trollish reasons? Maybe to add drama? Make the suicide mission more impacting? And when you do kill people off, is it only people who dislike, or feel ambivalent toward, or do you actually kill people off you know you will miss?

I considered it just to see the different results, but found them all on Youtube about thirty seconds after that. There isn't much in ME2 that hasn't been recorded and posted somewhere. So that possibility is removed.

One other potential logical reason would be to see the possible outcomes in ME3 if certain characters are removed, but there are still downloadable saves if you need something like that.

[philiposophy]

I considered killing off my LI in the suicide mission for the drama but I never bothered in the end. I don't like losing people because it makes me feel like a ******, especially when I can save them without even trying.



Also I have low hopes of there being a big deal made of it. In my romanceless ME1 playthrough (clean slate for ME2, lol) I started the thing with Ashley and turned Liara down because I was in love with Ash, but then left her on Virmire for the drama. It barely registered.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Water Dumple wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

From what I'm hearing, it sounds like only trolls kill off people intentionally then.

So is there anyone who kills characters off for un-trollish reasons? Maybe to add drama? Make the suicide mission more impacting? And when you do kill people off, is it only people who dislike, or feel ambivalent toward, or do you actually kill people off you know you will miss?

I considered it just to see the different results, but found them all on Youtube about thirty seconds after that. There isn't much in ME2 that hasn't been recorded and posted somewhere. So that possibility is removed.

One other potential logical reason would be to see the possible outcomes in ME3 if certain characters are removed, but there are still downloadable saves if you need something like that.

Yeah, and a lot of it in ME3 will probably end up on YouTube too.

[Nightwriter]

Well there could be other reasons. Like, some people say they find it stupid for no one to die in the suicide mission - it's an immersion breaker to them because it seems unrealistic that everyone lives.

Especially when you've got Garrus saying "we're going to have casualties, no getting around that" and Shepard saying "people have died for this mission" when literally no one has.

Me, I find it a little silly to kill someone off for the sake of tragic realism when they don't have to die.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well there could be other reasons. Like, some people say they find it stupid for no one to die in the suicide mission - it's an immersion breaker to them because it seems unrealistic that everyone lives.

Especially when you've got Garrus saying "we're going to have casualties, no getting around that" and Shepard saying "people have died for this mission" when literally no one has.

Me, I find it a little silly to kill someone off for the sake of tragic realism when they don't have to die.

At this point, once you've controlled for trolling/psycho sadism, I think it comes down to personal preference in how you play the game.  You see this a lot with the power gamers and strategy nuts (of which I am one).  Folks will ask which gun is better?  A or B?  PLZ RESPOND!!11!!one!!

Answer: what do you like better?  What fits your play style?  There is no spoon, do or do not, there is no try.

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 05 septembre 2010 - 11:54 .

[Mykel54]

Killing them is acceptable because sometimes the game decides too much for you, for example i never liked Jack, i would have handed her over to the authorities if i could (because of her crimes) or just don´t recruit her at all. But no, i had to recruit her, and after that i didn´t trust her anyhow, i felt like she was crazy and would stab me at night, or kill joker and take control of the ship or some other mad thing. That is why i kill her on the suicide mission, becuase i don´t like her character and i have seen it enough.



I also think that the suicide mission is worthless if no ones dies, so i always try to kill at least two or three members (usually jack and thane) to add more depth to the whole thing, and honestly, because i don´t mind getting rid of characters than i won´t miss later on. I could never kill Garrus for example because he was my buddy both in ME1 and ME2.

[numotsbane]

Burdokva wrote...

I agree with numotsbane. If everyone survives the dramatic impact at the end of Mass Effect 2 is far lesser. On my first playthrough, the one I consider personal canon Thane and Mordin died, plus most of my crew, just because I was rushing forward and didn't pay much attention.

thats exactly what happenned to me... I couldn't deal with Mordin's loss though, so I went NG+
I don't have either of those saves now, they were on my corrupted MU, which is a shame.

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont lose people on the SM, since its so simple and easy to win.

Just dont listen to Miranda and there you go.



Also I dont really hate any of the squad, so there goes that excuse.

Hopefully the no one left behind acheivement is worht something in part 3.



For some reason I think that Bioware was imagining the SM to be much harder then it is. I went in blind the first time really, and lost NO ONE, so much for the SM.