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[Angmir]

To evolution:
It is all random and then if you got 1000 diffrent mutations the one most successfull and well-fitting stays. Rest is terminated. So in general nature would repeat itself if given the same enviroment and conditions.

As for Asari physiology:
Well Asari look like human female, it is convinsing to presume that they are very simmilar in terms of reprodutcive organs. Though such thinking might be deceiving - look at their head-tentacles - they are very alien to humans. However they have brests - so it seems they do brestfeed their offspring.
Wagina, womb, ovaries they are also expected to be in place. It is imposible to determin if they have clitoris, but they definetly receive plasure from phisical contact all over their bodies.

What first came to my mind when I was reading codex entry conserning Asari, that their attune their reprodutive organs to of any species or gander of partner they meld with. So yes - I thought they can actualy grow penis if necessary, or enlarge their wagina to match Elcor or god knows whose else member. Though it seems unlikely now, I dindt completly reject this idea until further clarified in game.

Modifié par Angmir, 06 septembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Prince of Kemet]

Has anyone noticed that most of the asari have names ending in "a?"



Aethyta

Aleena

Alestia

Aria

The Asari Councilor.....don't know her name but I'm sure it ends with an a.

Batha

Benezia

Dilinaga

Liara

Lidanya

Liselle

Mallene Calis

Morinth......not her original name, read Samara's dossier.

Nyxeris

Nassana

Nelyna

Rana

Samara

Saphyria

Seryna

Sha'ira

Shiala

Tela

[FouCapitan]

Based on what we know, Asari are mammallian in design, doing live birthing (evidenced by the belly buttons) and breast feeding (evidenced by the breasts)

Sharing the same diet as humans suggests similar digestive systems, so anal evacuation and urinary tracts likely exist on similar levels. However, being from a monogendered species, they would not have developed vaginas with the same physical erogenous implications that humans have. But a birthing canal would exist all the same.

Since reproduction is done on a psychic level, randomizing the DNA that already exists in all Asari instead of cellular combination between two partners, there would be no uterus or ovaries. Rather their womb developes the full embriotic Asari child via randomized cell division from a unique Asari "egg" that is developed when the Matron stage of life is reached.

With all that in mind, yes, the Asari would have strikingly similar genitalia to humans, but no reproductive organs involved in it.

Modifié par FouCapitan, 19 septembre 2010 - 08:11 .

[CPT Eightball]

honestly. don't think it matters in this game.

BUT, if you want an answer.... obviously there are reproductive organs in all the species of Mass Effect considering there are male and female of each. Basic biology 101 - you need a male and a female to reproduce - unless you do it asexually....

Asari are a little funky considering they can pull DNA through telekinetic abilities but i guess that's where Si-Fi and your imagination come into play....

[CPT Eightball]

FouCapitan wrote...

Based on what we know, Asari are mammallian in design, doing live birthing (evidenced by the belly buttons) and breast feeding (evidenced by the breasts)

Sharing the same diet as humans suggests similar digestive systems, so anal evacuation and urinary tracts likely exist on similar levels. However, being from a monogendered species, they would not have developed vaginas with the same physical erogenous implications that humans have. But a birthing canal would exist all the same.

Since reproduction is done on a psychic level, randomizing the DNA that already exists in all Asari instead of cellular combination between two partners, there would be no uterus or ovaries. Rather their womb developes the full embriotic Asari child via randomized cell division from a unique Asari "egg" that is developed when the Matron stage of life is reached.

With all that in mind, yes, the Asari would have strikingly similar genitalia to humans, but no reproductive organs involved in it.

yup. seems about right.

[Burdokva]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Has anyone noticed that most of the asari have names ending in "a?"

Not that strange, really. In Bulgarian, for example, female gender of words always gets an "-a" suffix. Female names, at least traditional ones, predominately end in "-a". While Russian gender suffixes are a bit different, female names also tend to end in "-a". This is not only inherent in Slavic languages; Italian has a female gender that tends to end in "-a", too.

No idea if BioWare intended it, but at least because of my linguistic background, I've always assumed asari names to underline the femininity of the race. 

[Wrexdot]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

The Asari Councilor.....don't know her name but I'm sure it ends with an a.

Nah

A report by the Cerberus Daily News refers to the asari councilor as "Councilor Tevos"

http://masseffect.wi.../Council#Trivia

[Esbatty]

FouCapitan wrote...

Based on what we know, Asari are mammallian in design, doing live birthing (evidenced by the belly buttons) and breast feeding (evidenced by the breasts)

Sharing the same diet as humans suggests similar digestive systems, so anal evacuation and urinary tracts likely exist on similar levels. However, being from a monogendered species, they would not have developed vaginas with the same physical erogenous implications that humans have. But a birthing canal would exist all the same.

Since reproduction is done on a psychic level, randomizing the DNA that already exists in all Asari instead of cellular combination between two partners, there would be no uterus or ovaries. Rather their womb developes the full embriotic Asari child via randomized cell division from a unique Asari "egg" that is developed when the Matron stage of life is reached.

With all that in mind, yes, the Asari would have strikingly similar genitalia to humans, but no reproductive organs involved in it.

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[DenisLaMinaccia]

Asari are bound to be related to humans, same protein structure, same shape and size. Only a minor difference in gender separation and transcendent abilities. A common ancestor race?

[FouCapitan]

DenisLaMinaccia wrote...

Asari are bound to be related to humans, same protein structure, same shape and size. Only a minor difference in gender separation and transcendent abilities. A common ancestor race?

Cosmic coincidence.  Sci-Fi Space Drama always has it.  That's why long long ago in a galaxy far far away there are humans in Star Wars, and every alien species in Star Trek is basically human with some extra appendages on their faces.

[lost lupus]

dan107 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...
evolution is not random.

Yes it is. The underlying mutations are completely random, and the optimisation process that selects for certain traits is so dynamic that it may as well be random. Don't forget that on our own planet species as different as human beings and dinosaurs made it to the top of the evolution tree at some point, and that's inspite of the fact that all life that has ever existed on Earth is made from the same basic building blocks. Move the process to a different planet, with species that will have a completely different DNA structure (if they have DNA at all) and it's almost inconceivable that they will evolve to even remotely resemble us.

1: if evolution was random it would undermind the idea of evolution the spieces mutations do have an overall plot of adapating to its surroundings hence why no sea snake randomly has ever developed wings

2: you understand evoution is dependent on DNA if asari dont have it then u have explained it in a instant as there was no evolutionary process in their creation then what or whoever created them made them look like that in this case their creater took the form of a sex starved team of concept artists

[DenisLaMinaccia]

FouCapitan wrote...

DenisLaMinaccia wrote...

Asari are bound to be related to humans, same protein structure, same shape and size. Only a minor difference in gender separation and transcendent abilities. A common ancestor race?

Cosmic coincidence.  Sci-Fi Space Drama always has it.  That's why long long ago in a galaxy far far away there are humans in Star Wars, and every alien species in Star Trek is basically human with some extra appendages on their faces.

Writer's wishful thinking that is, or lack of imagination and more importantly ease of comprehension...

By the way, In real life we have australian marsupials, which apart from having bags, also have two vaginas. Just saying...

[xbeton0L]

lost lupus wrote...

dan107 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...
evolution is not random.

Yes it is. The underlying mutations are completely random, and the optimisation process that selects for certain traits is so dynamic that it may as well be random. Don't forget that on our own planet species as different as human beings and dinosaurs made it to the top of the evolution tree at some point, and that's inspite of the fact that all life that has ever existed on Earth is made from the same basic building blocks. Move the process to a different planet, with species that will have a completely different DNA structure (if they have DNA at all) and it's almost inconceivable that they will evolve to even remotely resemble us.

1: if evolution was random it would undermind the idea of evolution the spieces mutations do have an overall plot of adapating to its surroundings hence why no sea snake randomly has ever developed wings

2: you understand evoution is dependent on DNA if asari dont have it then u have explained it in a instant as there was no evolutionary process in their creation then what or whoever created them made them look like that in this case their creater took the form of a sex starved team of concept artists

this.
and... i can't help but wonder if the Asari were intentionally created by something. they have long life spans, are all nautral biotics, and all female - though it's possible to have such a race, but noting it is the only one that doesn't have a counter sex. they're just so perfect. 

[Yxiomel]

lost lupus wrote...

dan107 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...
evolution is not random.

Yes it is. The underlying mutations are completely random, and the optimisation process that selects for certain traits is so dynamic that it may as well be random. Don't forget that on our own planet species as different as human beings and dinosaurs made it to the top of the evolution tree at some point, and that's inspite of the fact that all life that has ever existed on Earth is made from the same basic building blocks. Move the process to a different planet, with species that will have a completely different DNA structure (if they have DNA at all) and it's almost inconceivable that they will evolve to even remotely resemble us.

1: if evolution was random it would undermind the idea of evolution the spieces mutations do have an overall plot of adapating to its surroundings hence why no sea snake randomly has ever developed wings

2: you understand evoution is dependent on DNA if asari dont have it then u have explained it in a instant as there was no evolutionary process in their creation then what or whoever created them made them look like that in this case their creater took the form of a sex starved team of concept artists

You're m,aking the mistake of personifying a process. Evolution doesn't have "an overall plot". It has no intention, no plan. The adaptation and optimisation to the surroundings is merely an emergent property. When changes are as badly optimised as a "sea snake with wings", then the off-spring with that mutation fails to be sucessful in the niche they occupy, and doesn't breed often/at all. The mutation never becomes established, and the population at large doesn't change. When the mutation is useful, then the mutants out-compete the unmodified members, and the mutation propagates until (after millions of years) the mutant population encompasses the entire population.
So, it is random, but the likelihood of a random change remaining is coloured by the surroundings. However, since there's more than one way to skin a cat, it is not a given that similar circumstance will create similar solutions (although it is possible, there is no reason a random system can't repeat itself).
Convergent evolution can be coincidental, or coloured by the fact that life on earth has common roots (heck, look at vertibrate skeletons!), which decreased the evolutionary phase-spce to a subset.

By the way, teh Councilor's name: could that be more comparable to "T'Soni" than "Liara"?

[xbeton0L]

whatever. evolution itself is not random. it has a directive, as said, to out-compete nonperforming or nonoptimal organisms. what triggers evolution may be random. like weather or climate changes. if there is a strain for an organism to perform better, evolution triggers to suit that need.

[DenisLaMinaccia]

xbeton0L wrote...

whatever. evolution itself is not random. it has a directive, as said, to out-compete nonperforming or nonoptimal organisms. what triggers evolution may be random. like weather or climate changes. if there is a strain for an organism to perform better, evolution triggers to suit that need.

Then comes the man and screws millenia of evolution in no time!

[xbeton0L]

DenisLaMinaccia wrote...

xbeton0L wrote...

whatever. evolution itself is not random. it has a directive, as said, to out-compete nonperforming or nonoptimal organisms. what triggers evolution may be random. like weather or climate changes. if there is a strain for an organism to perform better, evolution triggers to suit that need.

Then comes the man and screws millenia of evolution in no time!

hell it would work in a laboratory.

[FouCapitan]

DenisLaMinaccia wrote...

xbeton0L wrote...

whatever. evolution itself is not random. it has a directive, as said, to out-compete nonperforming or nonoptimal organisms. what triggers evolution may be random. like weather or climate changes. if there is a strain for an organism to perform better, evolution triggers to suit that need.

Then comes the man and screws millenia of evolution in no time!

On the contrary, man is a pinnacle of the process.  Rather than deal with evolving convoluted mechanisms or mannerisms to aid in our survival in the world, we've evolved a mind that can think through almost any situation.  Danger from predators?  No need to evolve camoflague or wings, we simply out-think, trap kill or repel them with fences.  Need food?  Rather than evolve fast legs to hunt or climb trees to forage, we grow, raise and cultivate it en masse.

We reached the point where we have no further evolutionary hurdles.  The mind has overcome the world.

[Sigma Tauri]

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 03 octobre 2010 - 02:50 .

[xbeton0L]

FouCapitan wrote...

DenisLaMinaccia wrote...

xbeton0L wrote...

whatever. evolution itself is not random. it has a directive, as said, to out-compete nonperforming or nonoptimal organisms. what triggers evolution may be random. like weather or climate changes. if there is a strain for an organism to perform better, evolution triggers to suit that need.

Then comes the man and screws millenia of evolution in no time!

On the contrary, man is a pinnacle of the process.  Rather than deal with evolving convoluted mechanisms or mannerisms to aid in our survival in the world, we've evolved a mind that can think through almost any situation.  Danger from predators?  No need to evolve camoflague or wings, we simply out-think, trap kill or repel them with fences.  Need food?  Rather than evolve fast legs to hunt or climb trees to forage, we grow, raise and cultivate it en masse.

We reached the point where we have no further evolutionary hurdles.  The mind has overcome the world.

sounds like success in a lab project. i'm starting to really wonder.... if there is a science behind evolution. not just a natural phenomenon. and maybe an evolved mental capacity would be the desired result.

Modifié par xbeton0L, 19 septembre 2010 - 01:49 .

[DenisLaMinaccia]

Human is the best of evolution yes - we developed a powerful brain, but also a freedom of how to use it, and at the moment human is like a baby with a pistol. We are yet to grow up to use brain wisely.



Coming back to topic - asari in that sense are a couple of steps ahead of humans

[FouCapitan]

DenisLaMinaccia wrote...

Human is the best of evolution yes - we developed a powerful brain, but also a freedom of how to use it, and at the moment human is like a baby with a pistol. We are yet to grow up to use brain wisely.

Coming back to topic - asari in that sense are a couple of steps ahead of humans

Their thousand year lifespans might have something to do with that.

monkeycamoran wrote...

That's bull.

I concede to your brilliant argument, humans aren't evolved well at all.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Damn,are you people still doesn't understand or what? Even though the asari have human female/feminine appearance with vagina and all,they are asexual species which means that they have both ovum and sperm cells in their bodies,so if any of them wants to have a "pureblood" child,they did what human called "asexual reproduction".Asexual reproduction is reproduction which does not involve meiosis,ploidy reduction,or fertilization.Only one parent is involved in asexual reproduction.A more stringent definition is agamogenesis which refers to reproduction without the fusion of gametes.Asari also can reproduce sexually with other male species but with the females they only did "the bonding",and the female can't get pregnant...

[FouCapitan]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Damn,are you people still doesn't understand or what?

Lost me on the first sentance there.

I thought I'd explained it pretty well already, which in turn is based on what the game explained pretty well already.  Asari bond with any species, the child is made with randomly generated DNA based on all the pre-existing genetic data that all Asari carry with them.  There is no difference if an Asari is doing it with a male or female, the child is created in the same manner.

Also, asexual reproduction does not mean a creature has both egg and sperm cells.  Such creatures are known as hermaphrodites, like gastropods (Snails and slugs).

If you want to get technical, all Asari reproduce asexually.  No meiosis or fertilization occurs.  They do require a link to another life form in the form of the bonding to initiate the process though.

Modifié par FouCapitan, 19 septembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[xbeton0L]

FouCapitan wrote...

I concede to your brilliant argument, humans aren't evolved well at all.

then you would be astonished by what the mind can do.

and the asari seem engineered to me. i mean, they can live for a thousand years? they're all natural biotics? meaning they have some weird ass kids that can bend ****. they can reproduce with any other freaking species by melding. not  to exclude the lesser life forms.

but what is this, a super race? they must be perfect. too include, they're granted the gift of old age and wisdom. which makes them even more flawless. tell me evolution can do this.

Modifié par xbeton0L, 19 septembre 2010 - 02:49 .