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[Sigma Tauri]

FouCapitan wrote...

monkeycamoran wrote...

That's bull.

I concede to your brilliant argument, humans aren't evolved well at all.

It's brilliant enough counter your false optimism and arrogance of infinite human capability.

We are able to overcome several challenges by supplementing our limited abilities with technology and problem-solving. But, if anything, those abilities have made us more aware that humanity is small-time compared to the gargantuan and frankly fatal natural world. Being able to cultivate food en masse has its problems. For plants, overdependence to  reduced genetic diversity as a result of years of artificial selection. For animals, increased contact of disease and overuse of antibiotics that lead to dangerous strains. Humans may think they're able to overcome the natural world, but nature has been sneaky enough to **** us over many times.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 19 septembre 2010 - 02:44 .

[FouCapitan]

xbeton0L wrote...

and the asari seem engineered to me. i mean, they can live for a thousand years? they're all natural biotics? meaning they have some weird ass kids that can bend ****. they can reproduce with any other freaking life form by melding. what is this, a super race? they must be perfect, because they're granted the gift of old age and wisdom, so they're even more flawless. tell me evolution can do this.

I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be the case.  It's evidenced that the Protheans studied and perhaps experimented with humans from the Mars base they had.  The Hanar believe they were given gift of speech by them (Possible genetic engineering or forced evolution?).  Who's to say that the Asari weren't effected by an outside source as well that shaped them into the species they are?

[FouCapitan]

monkeycamoran wrote...

FouCapitan wrote...

monkeycamoran wrote...

That's bull.

I concede to your brilliant argument, humans aren't evolved well at all.

It's brilliant enough counter your false optimism and arrogance of infinite human capability.

I apologize, my sarcasm apparently escaped your detection.

[Sigma Tauri]

FouCapitan wrote...

monkeycamoran wrote...

FouCapitan wrote...

monkeycamoran wrote...

That's bull.

I concede to your brilliant argument, humans aren't evolved well at all.

It's brilliant enough counter your false optimism and arrogance of infinite human capability.

I apologize, my sarcasm apparently escaped your detection.

I apologize, but I thought you'd be intelligent enough to know I detected your sarcasm and absolutely though it was pathetic, but gave you me a more fully developed reply.

Man, I was wrong...

[Halfdan The Menace]

FouCapitan wrote...

Lost me on the first sentance there.

I thought I'd explained it pretty well already, which in turn is based on what the game explained pretty well already.  Asari bond with any species, the child is made with randomly generated DNA based on all the pre-existing genetic data that all Asari carry with them.  There is no difference if an Asari is doing it with a male or female, the child is created in the same manner.

Also, asexual reproduction does not mean a creature has both egg and sperm cells.  Such creatures are known as hermaphrodites, like gastropods (Snails and slugs).

If you want to get technical, all Asari reproduce asexually.  No meiosis or fertilization occurs.  They do require a link to another life form in the form of the bonding to initiate the process though.

Gastropods are not mammals,thats why they didn't have egg and sperm cells.And yeah most asari did reproduce asexually but "pureblood" are a dying breed plus with those Ardat Yashi problem...

Modifié par ModestmeNTaLmogul, 19 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[Pacifien]

FouCapitan and monkeycamoran: There is no need to get into a pissing match with one another on the forums. Take it to PM. Or better yet, don't do it at all.

Modifié par Pacifien, 19 septembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[PsyrenY]

Asari have placenta (evidenced by the belly-buttons) therefore they give birth, therefore they have a birth canal of some sort. The end.

[FouCapitan]

Edit:  Pacifien said it best.

Modifié par FouCapitan, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:17 .

[FouCapitan]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...



Gastropods are not mammals,thats why they didn't have egg and sperm cells.And yeah most asari did reproduce asexually but "pureblood" are a dying breed plus with those Ardat Yashi problem...

Gastropods do have egg and sperm cells. Being mammals has nothing to do with that.

[Halfdan The Menace]

FouCapitan wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Gastropods are not mammals,thats why they didn't have egg and sperm cells.And yeah most asari did reproduce asexually but "pureblood" are a dying breed plus with those Ardat Yashi problem...

Gastropods do have egg and sperm cells. Being mammals has nothing to do with that.

I don't know much about gastropods,snails,etc. but here is the link about it;
http://www.scholarpe...uctive_behavior

[DenisLaMinaccia]

Interesting to see how ME enthusiasts build theories and provide explanations (usually very reasonable!) which the original creators would never even think about!

"-Let's make a race of sexy blue headed girls!!

-Yaaay!!"

[xbeton0L]

interesting theories on their perceivable reproductive constructs. but maybe they conceive like any other mammalian creature? consider the following...

tying together the auxiliary connection of the Collectors to the Reapers, maybe the asari are a deliberate blend of evolved species. like the planets are farms for cultivating new forms of life, and the asari are the product of these lifeforms - thus, as would be why, the asari are superior to any competing race. it's probably because they "are" every race, that they can meld with anyone. or perhaps, why 'melding' is needed in the first place. code cracked.

Modifié par xbeton0L, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:12 .

[PsyrenY]

DenisLaMinaccia wrote...

Interesting to see how ME enthusiasts build theories and provide explanations (usually very reasonable!) which the original creators would never even think about!
"-Let's make a race of sexy blue headed girls!!
-Yaaay!!"

Perhaps that was how BW began, but they didn't have to settle the question of Asari bellybuttons so conclusively if they didn't want to resolve the issue.

If Shepard was just walking around and seeing their bellybuttons, we could have put it down to "mind-control" or "wishful thinking" or even just "it's a modified human model in-game and they didn't remove the navels." But they had the Salarian at the bachelor party explicitly mention that he could see them too; therefore, Asari have navels, which deals with all three rationalizations at a stroke.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:20 .

[xbeton0L]

yorkj86 wrote...

xbeton0L wrote...

FouCapitan wrote...

I concede to your brilliant argument, humans aren't evolved well at all.

then you would be astonished by what the mind can do.

and the asari seem engineered to me. i mean, they can live for a thousand years? they're all natural biotics? meaning they have some weird ass kids that can bend ****. they can reproduce with any other freaking life form by melding. what is this, a super race? they must be perfect, because they're granted the gift of old age and wisdom, so they're even more flawless. tell me evolution can do this.

I have some theories.

The asari have special telomeres.  CDN tells us this.  There is something special about the way their cells divide.  Element zero has carcinogenic effects.  Cancer is cell-division, out-of-control.  I think that the asari live so long because they have evolved a mechanism (these special telomeres) to completely avoid the carcinogenic effects of eezo presence.  Asari senescence is greatly slowed as the result of the asari being immune to the carcinogenic effects of eezo presence.

I think that Thessia, the asari homeworld, has trace amounts of element zero.  In the same way humans have iron in their blood, and we have evolved to utilize it, the asari have evolved to use element zero.  Being able to naturally use biotics is an evolutionary adaptation.  Biotics gave them an evolutionary edge over environmental pressure.  We know that there are other biotics-capable organisms on Thessia, primate-analogues, mentioned on CDN.  The asari aren't the only biotics on their planet.  This is why I think that there may be traces of element zero on Thessia.

which adds on to my theory, that asari could have been synthetically created - same as with another theory of mine, that element zero was *synthesized* or engineered - but that loosely remains an idea for now. well their telomeres or cells might have regenerative capabilities which could counter the harmful effects of eezo, perpetually. likewise, i think your theory stands harmonious with the possibility that asari were created.

[FouCapitan]

yorkj86 wrote...

The bachelor party conversation is a nod to the ME1 forumbase.  It shouldn't be taken seriously.

Nod or not, it's a canon conversation within the reality of the Mass Effect universe.  Asari have belly buttons.

Modifié par FouCapitan, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:32 .

[xbeton0L]

yorkj86 wrote...

xbeton0L wrote...

interesting theories on their perceivable reproductive constructs. but maybe they conceive like any other mammalian creature? consider the following...

tying together the auxiliary connection of the Collectors to the Reapers, maybe the asari are a deliberate blend of evolved species. like the planets are farms for cultivating new forms of life, and the asari are the product of these lifeforms - thus, as would be why, the asari are superior to any competing race. it's probably because they "are" every race, that they can meld with anyone. or perhaps, why 'melding' is needed in the first place. code cracked.

They reproduce through the mind-joining.  What's so difficult to understand?  The mind-joining eliminates physical incompatibilities.  No physical genetic material whatsoever is used in asari reproduction.

from the mind - to the physical. reproduction. the meld is a compromise of the asari's partner's DNA. how and why does the asari necessarily copy DNA? how is it an evolutionary process? by this syntax, 'melding' isn't something that occurs naturally, and i am left with the conclusion that this might be one of two things... either an advanced form of asexual reproduction - or, something artificial. likewise, as programs would copy themselves - setting random seeds for diversity of the new program's function.

Modifié par xbeton0L, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:37 .

[xbeton0L]

yorkj86 wrote...

xbeton0L wrote...

which adds on to my theory, that asari could have been synthetically created - same as with another theory of mine, that element zero was *synthesized* or engineered - but that loosely remains an idea for now. well their telomeres or cells might have regenerative capabilities which could counter the harmful effects of eezo, perpetually. likewise, i think your theory stands harmonious with the possibility that asari were created.

I don't think our theories necessarily work together.  First, design "synthetically created".  Do you mean designed in a lab, or merely influenced in some way?

Element zero might have been artificially created, but that doesn't mean that the asari were, as well.  The Protheans, or even the Reapers, could have seeded planets with eezo, to see how organisms would respond.  The organisms that would become the asari evolved to use it as biotics.  They evolved a way around the carcinogenic effects of eezo presence.  If the asari evolved in a similar way to humans (those primate analogues could be to the asari what chimpanzees are to humans), it can stand as evidence that the asari weren't synthetically created, but that Thessia was seeded with element zero, an artificial element.

well why wouldn't they? the Protheans and Reapers definitely were aware of our existence before we knew of theirs. seeding a planet with eezo would be as fundamental as drinking water treated with fluoride. by "synthetically created" I mean this; the creation of earth, and other life-bearing planets across the galaxy - could have been manipulated, but lets say it wasn't - these planets were chosen as cultivation grounds for evolving life(humans, turians, salarians, quarians, etc), with the ground task of developing mental capacity (e.g. intelligence) - after these life forms came to fruition, and in relation to the DNA samplings collected from planet to planet, the genetic material could have been synthesized into a more efficient life form - retaining beneficial traits from each species and planet, to cultivate in a *special* environment - to add the seeding of eezo - thus, we have the asari race. by "synthetic" i mean synthesized. engineered.