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[JnEricsonx]

Thoughts?

[Skyblade012]

Mattock, hands down. Greater accuracy, damage, speed, and far less recoil. The only thing it suffers from is a lower ammo capacity, but, being an assault rifle, it picks up enough clips to keep it full constantly. It also fits with Adrenaline Rush perfectly.



Grab the Widow.

[numotsbane]

widow. but I'm pretty sure theres a lot of threads already with a lot of good discussion. I'd try:



The Widow/Mattock Soldier

Does the addition of the mattock overpower widow soldiers

[termokanden]

Widow for sure.

[sinosleep]

I still pick the revenant. Sure the widow/mattock combination is powerful, but sniping and sniping sans scope isn't why I play soldiers. I play soldiers so I can immitate Rambo, and Rambo had a big friggen machine gun. Nothing feels better than storming a group of mooks and mowing them down in one nice long trigger squeeze.

[Kronner]

sinosleep wrote...

I still pick the revenant. Sure the widow/mattock combination is powerful, but sniping and sniping sans scope isn't why I play soldiers. I play soldiers so I can immitate Rambo, and Rambo had a big friggen machine gun. Nothing feels better than storming a group of mooks and mowing them down in one nice long trigger squeeze.

Yeah, this is exactly why I like Revenant+Viper better than Mattock+Widow. Both are extremely effective and fun to play though.

[termokanden]

The Rambo argument was also what I wrote in defense of the Revenant earlier. But I do think it's a slightly weaker option.



That's not the reason I prefer the Widow myself though. The Widow is a cool weapon in its own right and definitely fun to use.

[Lewie]

Im going for the insanity achievement shortly so am deciding which to use, i do love the mattock its steady and powerful i hate recoil, although it makes kills slightly harder, which would add to the feeling of insanity. I guess the best way to find out is to switch throughout, and die lots lol.

[termokanden]

Well it depends a bit on how good a shot you are I would guess. The Revenant is quite forgiving with its huge ammo capacity. The Mattock is powerful but extremely unforgiving if you miss.

I would also say that the Revenant is probably the best weapon in the game for anything with huge amounts of husks, which is something that many consider difficult.

I don't personally think the husks were difficult at all because they don't seem to be able to hit you if you keep moving. In my experience, in most fights it's all about identifying the real threats from 20 random targets sitting behind cover that won't ever try to approach you and then eliminating them ASAP. That's where the Mattock is good.

Usually it's a charging krogan or Harbinger.

Modifié par termokanden, 05 septembre 2010 - 02:13 .

[Lewie]

Yeah husks aren't that hard you just have to keep a bit of distance and kill them quick, and hitting their legs. Although the mission where its just all husks and you have to blow the place up isn't that easy so the revenant would probably work better in there. Saying that the locust smg too which also has good ammo. As you said though its picking your kills the right way enemies in cover give you a small window if needed. The widow is just, bang your dead lol.

[RGFrog]

Rev. over mattock. Mainly because I tend to use the viper more often and more effectively than, say, the widow when playing as a soldier. That leaves far more room for a full auto behemoth like the Rev.

Like the Mattock. But it's just not the same experience as letting a group of husks start to swarm you on purpose. Then pulling a death blossom on them with the Rev and Inferno ammo

[ScroguBlitzen]

Mattock is overpowered. Same for Locust and Geth Shotgun. In order to keep the game even remotely challenging I don't use any of them.



The Pistol with the laser scope seems reasonable to me, but for gameplay reasons shouldn't be available until some post-horizon quest imo.

[mcsupersport]

I happen to like them both, and it will greatly depend on how you want to play the class.



Matlock/Widow soldier is incredibly powerful and plays way different than a Rev Soldier.



Widow Soldier is all about sniping and range work. You take the slower version of AR and kill everything hopefully at medium to long range. Nothing stands much of a chance but you will not be as "engaged" as a Rev soldier.



Rev Soldiers are all about medium to close range carnage using the Hardened AR. They play more like Rambo or Terminator wading through the battlefield. I had more fun with my Rev Soldier, but was probably faster and safer with my Widow Soldier.



If you want close range carnage go Revenant if you want long range sniping take the Widow.

[JaegerBane]

louise101 wrote...

Yeah husks aren't that hard you just have to keep a bit of distance and kill them quick, and hitting their legs. Although the mission where its just all husks and you have to blow the place up isn't that easy so the revenant would probably work better in there. Saying that the locust smg too which also has good ammo. As you said though its picking your kills the right way enemies in cover give you a small window if needed. The widow is just, bang your dead lol.

It's also worth pointing out that ammo capacity isn't really the main advantage of the Rev, it's actually clip capacity. 80 rounds is a major amount to have before reloading. The Locust, for all it's effectiveness, falls down a bit in terms of clip.

[RGFrog]

Yeah, JaegerBane, that's was my first impression when Kasumi's dlc was released and I got shep's hands on it... Whu?!?!? Out of rounds and always reloading. That and it sounds like an angry nest of mosquito's.

[Lewie]

JaegerBane wrote...

louise101 wrote...

Yeah husks aren't that hard you just have to keep a bit of distance and kill them quick, and hitting their legs. Although the mission where its just all husks and you have to blow the place up isn't that easy so the revenant would probably work better in there. Saying that the locust smg too which also has good ammo. As you said though its picking your kills the right way enemies in cover give you a small window if needed. The widow is just, bang your dead lol.

It's also worth pointing out that ammo capacity isn't really the main advantage of the Rev, it's actually clip capacity. 80 rounds is a major amount to have before reloading. The Locust, for all it's effectiveness, falls down a bit in terms of clip.

Clip capacity is never an issue if you always watch it anyway, and i don't just want a gun that will last as i spray bullets you can give team members the locust for e.g. Spray guns lol reminds me of the thompson in cod, but an example is i preferred the bar, less ammo but steady, powerful and you have to think for a few seconds about your shots. The mattock is good that way i can't get into 'clip emptying' enemies. After many fps its probably ingrained i doubt ill change my mind lol.

Modifié par louise101, 06 septembre 2010 - 01:41 .

[thespianicism]

My soldier playthrough was my first go on Insanity. After hearing all the horror stories about the Collector ship, I was afraid that it was going to be another terrible experience like I had on Horizon, dying and dying and dying. But then, a glistening spectacle appeared amidst the buggy interior of the Collector ship. It was the Revenant! I made it through the rest of the level death-free, gleefully mowing down enemies in true badass style. This was all before the Mattock came out, but still, the Revenant let me enjoy the rest of that playthrough and snag the achievement, and for that it holds a special place in my heart.

[greed89]

RGFrog wrote...

Yeah, JaegerBane, that's was my first impression when Kasumi's dlc was released and I got shep's hands on it... Whu?!?!? Out of rounds and always reloading. That and it sounds like an angry nest of mosquito's.

Or....you know Locusts<_<

Rev. For the win as long as u keep ur mind ont he fact the aimer slowly goes up pretty much every thign dies from it

any thign the Mattock dose the Viper dos better imo

Modifié par greed89, 06 septembre 2010 - 01:42 .

[JaegerBane]

RGFrog wrote...

Yeah, JaegerBane, that's was my first impression when Kasumi's dlc was released and I got shep's hands on it... Whu?!?!? Out of rounds and always reloading. That and it sounds like an angry nest of mosquito's.

I did have to admit that when I originally saw the 20-round full clip I was 'Uh.... wha? That's less than the shuriken....'.

Then I tried it and pulled of 16 headshots on full auto. On the same enemy, chief Roe. Dropped her like a sack of potatoes despite her full defences. All sins were forgiven.

As for the sound, I kinda like it - it reminds me of 47's full-auto suppressed silverballers from Hitman: Bloody Money. Exactly the kind of expensive, top-end, high performance piece of kit that a spectre would use. A worthy successor to my HMWP X

[termokanden]

greed89 wrote...

any thign the Mattock dose the Viper dos better imo

Not so sure about that. Without Adrenaline Rush, yeah maybe. With Adrenaline Rush, the Mattock is a beast.

[PseudoEthnic]

Depends. Do you prefer Semi-Auto or sustained fire?

[Frybread76]

I'm a very poor shot, so I choose the Revanent if I don't use Adrenaline Rush. With Adrenaline Rush, I prefer the Mattock hands down.

[JaegerBane]

Frybread76 wrote...

I'm a very poor shot, so I choose the Revanent if I don't use Adrenaline Rush. With Adrenaline Rush, I prefer the Mattock hands down.

Outside of Adrenaline rush you essentially need to be using the rev as a shotgun to make it worth your while. It can deal with mid-range in a pinch but I would guess that it's mid-range performance isn't much better than the Avenger thanks to it's recoil.

[upsettingshorts]

Revenant is, in my opinion, the most versatile weapon in the game. And I love the Mattock.

[sinosleep]

termokanden wrote...

greed89 wrote...

any thign the Mattock dose the Viper dos better imo

Not so sure about that. Without Adrenaline Rush, yeah maybe. With Adrenaline Rush, the Mattock is a beast.

Yup. With the testing I've done it works out to outside of AR mattock is slightly quicker than the viper on shields but the viper is significantly faster than the mattock on armor. The mattock also shares very simlar times to the carnifex with regards to YMIR armor. So on non AR classes it's essentially a 2 in 1. It's a viper and a pistol replacement and a good selection for people that hate sniper zoom when abilities are cast. With AR in mind though unless it's a one shot one kill weapon the mattock is hands down king of the hill. It takes down a YMIR mech's armor in ONE AR. That's quicker than the widow, claymore, viper, vindicator, or in other words, any weapon in the game that's not of the heavy variety.

If you're looking at things from a pure dps standpoint the mattock can't be beat during AR. If that's not the only reason you pick weapons though then it doesn't really matter.

Modifié par sinosleep, 06 septembre 2010 - 09:22 .