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[Revan312]

Wyndham711 wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

BTW, funny thing, why male players always say I'll be playing female coz with all those hours behind the wheel I wanna look at something pretty/attractive? When you play your own story you want to play the oposite gender? I still have a problem figuring that out.

True, I've been thinking about this too. It's as if some men aren't able to see the aesthetic beauty in masculine features. I don't find those heroic, idealized male characters sexually appealing (for I'm straight), but I can still appreciate them on a different level. Maybe awe-inspiring would be a better way of describing it. It can be a bit similar to the way I find a male lion roaring on a cliff magnificent.

My own opinion, it's a mixer of aesthetic pleasure in seeing the gender your most attracted to and a desire, even subconcious, to experiance the game from a perspective not your own..  People are curious and although watching a cliche videogame play out with a female model isn't exactly all that enlightening, it is a change of pace for most... I almost exclusively play as female characters (I'm male) and it's always seemed more enjoyable.  I think playing as my own is boring, an obvious byproduct of male heros getting all the spotlight through almost every story I read/heard/played as a child.

Modifié par Revan312, 07 septembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Altima Darkspells]

McCreath wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I always feel sad when I watch the video of him rejecting Jack. Seriously, my opinion of her skyrocketed after that.

As for the romaces...I agree, none of them are too appealing. I  actually never thought about it until you said that, but I can't really think of any of the romances I particularly liked. A lot of them have an element of creepy there.

I hate to say it, but to me, the romance options for males are usually dire (dire enough for me to just not do them) - a tradition started with BG II. Jaheira, Nalia or Aerie was bad enough, but it just went downhill from there. In DA:O, we had an evil witch, an insane bard and Zevran. Zev was the only reasonable one of the three. Never played ME of either generation, so can't comment there.

Anomen wasn't that great, either.  Carth from KotOR was pretty decent.

And yes, male characters got screwed in DAO.  We got Leliana, Zev, and Alistair.

Personally, though, I think I enjoy Obsidian's romances, from a female perspective, than the guy-mances.  Especially ME2.  Those just felt hollow.

[AndrahilAdrian]

They probably put more effort into the female romances, for obvious reasons.

[Wyndham711]

Revan312 wrote...

My own opinion, it's a mixer of aesthetic pleasure in seeing the gender your most attracted to and a desire, even subconcious, to experiance the game from a perspective not your own..  People are curious and although watching a cliche videogame play out with a female model isn't exactly all that enlightening, it is a change of pace for most... I almost exclusively play as female characters (I'm male) and it's always seemed more enjoyable.  I think playing as my own is boring, an obvious byproduct of male heros getting all the spotlight through almost every story I read/heard/played as a child.

I'm not at all against the option of having a female PC in games, in fact I support it. It's just that I can't personally fully relate to a female PC in RPGs, thus effectively roleplaying her is bound to be very difficult, if not impossible. But that's just my own shortcoming. What I can't quite understand is men finding those idealized, heroic male characters somehow unattractive to the point of avoiding playing them. Especially since in BioWare games you can even customize your character's looks.

[Saibh]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

And yes, male characters got screwed in DAO.  We got Leliana, Zev, and Alistair.

Guys got two of those options as well.

[McCreath]

Saibh wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

And yes, male characters got screwed in DAO.  We got Leliana, Zev, and Alistair.

Guys got two of those options as well.

Call me picky if you will, but miss "eylashes in a jar" was just creepy and I don't have her in the party any more, and Morrigan ALWAYS gets booted after her rant at Alistair outside Lothering, so all that's left is Zev, who's not a bad romance option, in the end, but it does take some effort.

[Saibh]

McCreath wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

And yes, male characters got screwed in DAO.  We got Leliana, Zev, and Alistair.

Guys got two of those options as well.

Call me picky if you will, but miss "eylashes in a jar" was just creepy and I don't have her in the party any more, and Morrigan ALWAYS gets booted after her rant at Alistair outside Lothering, so all that's left is Zev, who's not a bad romance option, in the end, but it does take some effort.

Oh, I'm not saying you're wrong to think so--personally, I like all the LIs in DAO--I'm just pointing out that, under that logic, girls only got one good character.

[Altima Darkspells]

Saibh wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

And yes, male characters got screwed in DAO.  We got Leliana, Zev, and Alistair.

Guys got two of those options as well.

Yeah, but Alistair says they don't count.

Of course, guys get a whole DLC based on their hetero hook-up, so I guess they get the last laugh after all.

[AndrahilAdrian]

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Yeah, but Alistair says they don't count.

Of course, guys get a whole DLC based on their hetero hook-up, so I guess they get the last laugh after all.

Alistair's romance was still way better than Morrigan's in terms of writing, character development, and closure (of course). And witch hunt is shaping up to be pants anyway...

[Lady of the Waters]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Alistair's romance was still way better than Morrigan's in terms of writing, character development

I beg to differ. And that's saying a lot as I am both female and straight. The only area in which it exceeds is in closure for obvious reasons.

[FDrage]

and both have the potential to run off, just before the big fight ... *grmpf*.

[AndrahilAdrian]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Alistair's romance was still way better than Morrigan's in terms of writing, character development

I beg to differ. And that's saying a lot as I am both female and straight. The only area in which it exceeds is in closure for obvious reasons.

I'm male and straight, and I still found the Morrigan romance lacking because you couldn't develop her character, there was MUCH less humor than Alistair's, and the conclusion was truly horrendous. Alistair's was very funny, and even quite poinant if you or he died at the end.

[Saibh]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Yeah, but Alistair says they don't count.

Of course, guys get a whole DLC based on their hetero hook-up, so I guess they get the last laugh after all.

Alistair's romance was still way better than Morrigan's in terms of writing, character development, and closure (of course). And witch hunt is shaping up to be pants anyway...

I preferred it, but is it necessarily better? I'm not sure. Alistair's romance caters to my tastes exactly. Morrigan's romance was still very well-written and well done.

Plus, now I get to be especially bitter you guys get a DLC!

Modifié par Saibh, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[Lady of the Waters]

The whole point of Morrigan's romance was to give her an understanding of what love *was*, remember she has never experienced such a feeling before, it is completely foreign to her, and because of this she wants a "no strings attached" relationship, it isn't until after you actually sleep with her that she begins to fall in love with you. How can you say her character isn't changed or developed? Alistair's romance had humor, sure (though Morrigan's did too, I much prefer Morrigans sarcasm and wit to Alistair's childish but cute humor personally), and he was sweet and all that, an ideal for women (and men) who love both a good sense of humor and a knight-in-shining armour type character, however that is not for me, and I just didn't feel he went through as big a change as Morrigan did, who never even had *ANY* conception of what a proper romance was before she met the Warden.



Each romanceable character goes through emotional shifts and changes in their viewpoints in DAO, as you would expect, I just happen to think Morrigan has the most major change of the four. She becomes a lot softer for one.

[AndrahilAdrian]

I suppose I may have been too harsh on Morri, but the ending was still horrible, and the whole romance felt like a rehash of Viconia's from Baldur's Gate 2.

[Lady of the Waters]

Not everyone can have fairytale endings unfortunately... I quite liked it myself, it had a very bittersweet element to it. Perhaps that is simply not to your tastes?

Thank goodness for the Witch Hunt DLC, even if it is not a happy ending for the Warden and Morrigan, at least it is some form of conclusion.

Modifié par Lady of the Waters, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:43 .

[AndrahilAdrian]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Not everyone can have fairytale endings unfortunately... I quite liked it myself, it had a very bittersweet element to it. Perhaps that is simply not to your tastes?

Thank goodness for the Witch Hunt DLC, even if it is not a happy ending for the Warden and Morrigan, at least it is some form of conclusion.

The main reason I didn't go for Morrigan's romance was the OGB ending, which felt forced (why does she have to leave again?) . If they conclude the romance in witch hunt it might improve it, although Morrigan is still basically a white viconia. And Alistair's romance doesn't necissarily have a fairytale ending; in my playthrough he sacrificed himself, which really improved the romance by tying into the main story.

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:46 .

[Saibh]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Not everyone can have fairytale endings unfortunately... I quite liked it myself, it had a very bittersweet element to it. Perhaps that is simply not to your tastes?

Thank goodness for the Witch Hunt DLC, even if it is not a happy ending for the Warden and Morrigan, at least it is some form of conclusion.

The main reason I didn't go for Morrigan's romance was the OGB ending, which felt forced (why does she have to leave again?) . If they conclude the romance in witch hunt it might improve it, although Morrigan is still basically a white viconia. And Alistair's romance doesn't necissarily have a fairytale ending; in my playthrough he sacrificed himself, which really improved the romance by tying into the main story.

I'm surprised you find the OGB ending forced. Morrigan hints a lot that she has ulterior motives, and you know Flemeth did when she sent Morrigan with you. It's not surprising that this is what she wants. As for her leaving, she doesn't tell you for a particular reason, which we may or may not find out in Witch Hunt. I was satistfied with her wanting "freedom", which seemed vague enough but still in character.

I believe a dev once said they considered the Queen Cousland ending with Alistair the happiest of all of them, even with the unfortunate implications therein.

[Lady of the Waters]

Basically I see Alistair and Leliana as the softer characters who can potentially be made hard (ugh, that sounded bad, you know what I mean, hardening them and all that) and Morrigan and Zevran as the more rough-and-tumble and harsh characters (though there is quite a huge difference between Morrigan and Zevran, same applies to all 4 of course, I am just generalising right now) who can be "softened up" via romance.

Modifié par Lady of the Waters, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:52 .

[Lady of the Waters]

Saibh wrote...


I believe a dev once said they considered the Queen Cousland ending with Alistair the happiest of all of them, even with the unfortunate implications therein.

Unfortunate implications? What are you referring to? The fact that they can't create offspring I assume?

[AndrahilAdrian]

The OGB ending was forced because it felt like a cheap deus ex machina to keep anyone from dying. I liked the "someone has to die" idea; it really added suspense to the final mission, perticularly with Riordan's scene. The OGB ending just felt like a cop out by comparison. And I know witch hunt may shed some light on Morri's motives, but I would have liked some explaination during the scene. If she had a compelling reason, it might have been moving. As it was, that scene felt forced. Plus, Morrigan is a white Viconia. Did I mention that?

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 07 septembre 2010 - 08:57 .

[Saibh]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Saibh wrote...


I believe a dev once said they considered the Queen Cousland ending with Alistair the happiest of all of them, even with the unfortunate implications therein.

Unfortunate implications? What are you referring to? The fact that they can't create offspring I assume?

Well, no--I think the game is setting up for another succession crisis, considering the incredible, incredible odds of a child happening. Anora might be barren (and doesn't marry when she's sole queen anyway), Alistair is tainted, and so are you. In any situation, chances are slim.

I'm talking about OGB, of course, since it's impossible to have this ending happen without you both alive.

[AndrahilAdrian]

wow, Lady Hawke is really pulling away...Odd, considering they've been promoting Male Hawke and most gamers are male. Maybe Bioware should change it's Marketing strategy and include more Lady Hawke.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Will play as a customized Female Hawk Rogue. All characters after first playthough will be females. I will play as a male once to just see how it plays different with Hawk's journey vs Female Hawks journey.

Do the devs really realize how many women actually play this game?

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 07 septembre 2010 - 09:06 .