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[Eudaemonium]

Saibh wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Saibh wrote...


I believe a dev once said they considered the Queen Cousland ending with Alistair the happiest of all of them, even with the unfortunate implications therein.

Unfortunate implications? What are you referring to? The fact that they can't create offspring I assume?

Well, no--I think the game is setting up for another succession crisis, considering the incredible, incredible odds of a child happening. Anora might be barren (and doesn't marry when she's sole queen anyway), Alistair is tainted, and so are you. In any situation, chances are slim.

I'm talking about OGB, of course, since it's impossible to have this ending happen without you both alive.

I was just imagining: Alistair dies heirless and Eamon sets up the OGB as the king/queen because "TEH THEIRIN BLUDLINE MUST CONTINOO", or something like that. And yes, Eamon will talk that way, because he'll probably be *really* damn old by that point and have no teeth.

[Saibh]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

The OGB ending was forced because it felt like a cheap deus ex machina to keep anyone from dying. I liked the "someone has to die" idea; it really added suspense to the final mission, perticularly with Riordan's scene. The OGB ending just felt like a cop out by comparison. And I know witch hunt may shed some light on Morri's motives, but I would have liked some explaination during the scene. If she had a compelling reason, it might have been moving. As it was, that scene felt forced. Plus, Morrigan is a white Viconia. Did I mention that?

I despise the "someone has to die" thing.

Hate it hate it hate it.

That feels forced to me. I mean, it's not like you spend the entire game knowing that the Archdemon's death will kill you. It's not like there's been this sense of foreboding, this dread as the end is nigh. Just as soon as you find out about that, Morrigan gives you a third option.

"Someone must die" endings feel like a pathetic attempt at drama and tragedy, especially when suddenly presented at the ending. Fallout 3 is exactly how you don't do it. Now that the story has reached its climax, now that you're about to achieve everything you wanted, the game decides that it's going to try to throw one last bit of drama at you to undermine and destroy all of that just to force a tearjerker. Dying at the ending of the game hardly changes anything. It seems pointless and forced.

The third option doesn't come without a price, as it should.

[Clover Rider]

Saibh wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

The OGB ending was forced because it felt like a cheap deus ex machina to keep anyone from dying. I liked the "someone has to die" idea; it really added suspense to the final mission, perticularly with Riordan's scene. The OGB ending just felt like a cop out by comparison. And I know witch hunt may shed some light on Morri's motives, but I would have liked some explaination during the scene. If she had a compelling reason, it might have been moving. As it was, that scene felt forced. Plus, Morrigan is a white Viconia. Did I mention that?

I despise the "someone has to die" thing.

Hate it hate it hate it.

That feels forced to me. I mean, it's not like you spend the entire game knowing that the Archdemon's death will kill you. It's not like there's been this sense of foreboding, this dread as the end is nigh. Just as soon as you find out about that, Morrigan gives you a third option.

"Someone must die" endings feel like a pathetic attempt at drama and tragedy, especially when suddenly presented at the ending. Fallout 3 is exactly how you don't do it. Now that the story has reached its climax, now that you're about to achieve everything you wanted, the game decides that it's going to try to throw one last bit of drama at you to undermine and destroy all of that just to force a tearjerker. Dying at the ending of the game hardly changes anything. It seems pointless and forced.

The third option doesn't come without a price, as it should.

But people think death makes a good story all the time .

[upsettingshorts]

It would definitely be better if you knew about it from the start. At least the Archdemon/death part.



Then Morrigan dropping the third option on you late seems like a good idea. Less time to think about it would play to her advantage I think.

[Saibh]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

wow, Lady Hawke is really pulling away...Odd, considering they've been promoting Male Hawke and most gamers are male. Maybe Bioware should change it's Marketing strategy and include more Lady Hawke.

There's this one FemShep/MaleShep poll that sees similar results, actually.

[Lady of the Waters]

I don't really see the similarity between her and Viconia myself tbh, but eh (I normally hate using the word "eh"), different strokes for different folks as they say.



Interesting point you brought up about the OGB Saibh, being married to Alistair at the end of the game means you MUST have had Alistair impregnate Morrigan, correct? In this case things could pan out very interestingly. A girl/boy (I'm guessing it will be a girl) tainted with the soul of an Old God on the throne? Talk about scandal and uproar! Surely there would be objection?! Or perhaps it would be wiser to keep the whole old god/daughter to an apostate witch thingie a secret. I can't help but think it would slip out eventually however.



I just thought of something else. What about Fiona and Marics child? I recall one of the devs mentioning that that little box of mysteries would be unravelled in DA2. Could there be a possibility of them taking over the throne?

[AndrahilAdrian]

I don't think the "someone has to die" thing was forced. It is strongly hinted that being a grey warden is a serious burden, and that they will do "whatever it takes" to stop the blight. And the revelation doesn't come at the very last minute. You still have a couple hours to go when you learn about it. And it doesn't "destroy all that [you've done]". If anything, it makes it all more meaningful, because its clear your quest was a very dangerous one if you die doing it.

Edit: And wynne directly forshadowed that one of you might die.

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 07 septembre 2010 - 09:36 .

[Wyndham711]

BioWare just released some figures, and with Mass Effect 2 80% of all the playthroughs of the game used male Shepard. That figure is very high, especially since it includes even all replays.

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

I don't really see the similarity between her and Viconia myself tbh, but eh (I normally hate using the word "eh"), different strokes for different folks as they say.

Interesting point you brought up about the OGB Saibh, being married to Alistair at the end of the game means you MUST have had Alistair impregnate Morrigan, correct? In this case things could pan out very interestingly. A girl/boy (I'm guessing it will be a girl) tainted with the soul of an Old God on the throne? Talk about scandal and uproar! Surely there would be objection?! Or perhaps it would be wiser to keep the whole old god/daughter to an apostate witch thingie a secret. I can't help but think it would slip out eventually however.

I just thought of something else. What about Fiona and Marics child? I recall one of the devs mentioning that that little box of mysteries would be unravelled in DA2. Could there be a possibility of them taking over the throne?

I think I read somewhere that the head writer clearly stated that Maric is dead and the wiki has Fiona as her whereabouts are unknown.

[FDrage]

Saibh wrote...

[...] Fallout 3 is exactly how you don't do it. Now that the story has reached its climax, now that you're about to achieve everything you wanted, the game decides that it's going to try to throw one last bit of drama at you to undermine and destroy all of that just to force a tearjerker. Dying at the ending of the game hardly changes anything. [...]

That is why I'm happy that I only played Fallout 3 after Broken Steel came out ... not sure I would have ever picked up FO3 again otherwise and missed out on some interesting side stories that way .

But in principle "death" at the end is a very powerful tool as it would mean you are really willing to sacrifice "Everything" for the "greater good", in that sense. But for an RPG game I do prefer if that isn't the only option available to me. However I don't mind having that option available, just that not every of my characters would want to chose it for various different reasons. But for my first play through of DA:O having the "Redemption through Sacrifice" worked well for the images of tthe characters I had (including my own character).

[AndrahilAdrian]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

I don't really see the similarity between her and Viconia myself tbh, but eh (I normally hate using the word "eh"), different strokes for different folks as they say.

Morrigan and viconia are both amoral, somewhat naive women suffering from culture shock (Viconia from leaving the underdark, Morrigan from leaving the wilds). They both sleep with you early on. You teach them both the ways of love and kindness. They both ask you to break up with them. Neither of them thinks they are worth your time. At the end, they both run off for no good reason, despite clearly wanting to stay with you (to be fair viconia came back, but then it looks like morrigan may be doing the same in witch hunt). They are identical romances! The only difference is that Morrigan is nicer to you. Having played Viconia's romance in BG2, I have no desire to relive it in Dragon Age.

[HighMoon]

No, but it does sort of come at the point of no return. I'll agree with Saibh here and say that the "Someone has to die thing" was like a kick in the teeth for both my Warden and Alistair (re-enforced by the fact that they were romancing each other). When Morrigan came along with option 3 I was a bit sceptical (mainly considering my romance with Alistair) but then it occured to me that it was FAR more preferable an option than the alternatives. After all was said and done and I married Alistair and had a happily-ever-after I found myself still eager to learn of Morrigans true intentions.

[Saibh]

Wyndham711 wrote...

BioWare just released some figures, and with Mass Effect 2 80% of all the playthroughs of the game used male Shepard. That figure is very high, especially since it includes even all replays.
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html

I assume this is information gathered from people who play online or with online accounts? Is there any way for them to account for people who don't play online?

I mean...I wouldn't believe that FemShep honestly beats out MaleShep, but 80% seems a tad high.

[DMC12]

Wyndham711 wrote...

BioWare just released some figures, and with Mass Effect 2 80% of all the playthroughs of the game used male Shepard. That figure is very high, especially since it includes even all replays.
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html

That's actually pretty cool how they've gathered those stats. We've come a long way from something like, Space Harrier, in such a relatively short time... Anyhoo, I'll probably go the male route, maybe test the feminine waters once.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Wyndham711 wrote...

BioWare just released some figures, and with Mass Effect 2 80% of all the playthroughs of the game used male Shepard. That figure is very high, especially since it includes even all replays.
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html

What does this have to do with DA and currently Lady Hawk winning this poll?

[AndrahilAdrian]

Golden-Rose wrote...

No, but it does sort of come at the point of no return. I'll agree with Saibh here and say that the "Someone has to die thing" was like a kick in the teeth for both my Warden and Alistair (re-enforced by the fact that they were romancing each other). When Morrigan came along with option 3 I was a bit sceptical (mainly considering my romance with Alistair) but then it occured to me that it was FAR more preferable an option than the alternatives. After all was said and done and I married Alistair and had a happily-ever-after I found myself still eager to learn of Morrigans true intentions.

My good warden would rather die than undo all her work by handing the archdemon (even if it is the soul of the "pure old god" the darkspawn might find it and corrupt it again) over to the most evil member of the party, who clearly has an evil plan for it that she won't reveal. And the archdemon would then be heir to the throne too.

When the option came up, it just felt selfish and careless. My warden does what she has to in service to the greater good, but she isn't selfish.

[upsettingshorts]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

What does this have to do with DA and currently Lady Hawk winning this poll?

Somewhat related evidence supporting the notion that the forums are not representative of the Bioware community at large.

[Jotun35]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Not everyone can have fairytale endings unfortunately... I quite liked it myself, it had a very bittersweet element to it. Perhaps that is simply not to your tastes?

I agree. The best love story are the most dramatic. An happy ending romance isn't very interesting IMO and reminds me ****ty soap opera/fairy tale.
But yes, Morrigan's romance reminds me Viconia's one a bit (and it's not really a problem because Viconia's romance was the best in BG2. I've tried Aerie and Jaheira too but they were both disapointing... And well, never tried a female PC but I hate Anomen wich was systematically
killed in the tavern, in each of my games ).

Modifié par Jotun35, 07 septembre 2010 - 09:36 .

[HighMoon]

If Morrigan's intentions were so clearly evil as you say I doubt there would be so many people debating the topic.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 07 septembre 2010 - 09:34 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

What does this have to do with DA and currently Lady Hawk winning this poll?

Somewhat related evidence supporting the notion that the forums are not representative of the Bioware community at large.

Thanks for the response.

[Wyndham711]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

What does this have to do with DA and currently Lady Hawk winning this poll?

I guess there need not be a direct correlation, but I think this info is still interesting and relates to the general topic here. I also can't imagine the corresponding figure for Dragon Age being hugely different. Goes to show again that the forum population doesn't really parallel the general population of BioWare's audience.

[upsettingshorts]

Indeed, part of me was curious what would happen if an old god was born into something that wasn't Darkspawn.



But then I was hoping I'd be able to deal with the consequences at some point... alas, that ain't happening.

[AndrahilAdrian]

Jotun35 wrote...


I agree. The best love story are the most dramatic. An happy ending romance isn't very interesting IMO and reminds me ****ty soap opera/fairy tale.

I agree with this 110%, but Alistair's romance was more tragic than Morrigans (and much less forced, IMO) if one of you sacrifices yourself.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Wyndham711 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

What does this have to do with DA and currently Lady Hawk winning this poll?

I guess there need not be a direct correlation, but I think this info is still interesting and relates to the general topic here. I also can't imagine the corresponding figure for Dragon Age being hugely different. Goes to show again that the forum population doesn't really parallel the general population of BioWare's audience.

Ok, I see where you're coming from.  Thanks.

[Sharn01]

Saibh wrote...

Wyndham711 wrote...

BioWare just released some figures, and with Mass Effect 2 80% of all the playthroughs of the game used male Shepard. That figure is very high, especially since it includes even all replays.
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1117896p1.html

I assume this is information gathered from people who play online or with online accounts? Is there any way for them to account for people who don't play online?

I mean...I wouldn't believe that FemShep honestly beats out MaleShep, but 80% seems a tad high.

This actually does not surprise me considering they really push Sheploo as the poster boy of the game.  There are even a large number of people on the forums who think of him as the canon character, and forum goers tend to be more in the know of the games. 

I was talking about the ME series with a friend of mine who had played both games more then once and he completely forgot that the game even had a female option for the main character.  This is a person who has from time to time played female characters in table top games where many men are uncomfortable doing so.

Oh, and for the record I am one of the many who blocks access to the game from bioware, but its not a good argument since the results would probably be the same even if all those numbers where tallied, unless for some reason its more common for people who play femShep to block access.

Modifié par Sharn01, 07 septembre 2010 - 09:38 .